cookstar

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[quote=Paul Habgood;8492380]Funnily enough the breed is quite relevant and the irony (not wishing to take away from the dreadful death of this 3 month old) is that Staffie's have a good rep with kids and are suggested on the Kennel Club site.

However, some breeds of dogs are not so good with kids, Jack Russells are not recommended!

It is down to many factors including getting the dogs used to children whilst the dog is young for a start and then there is training and good dog ownership and practices - not just buying the poor beast a chest harness and kicking him/her when you feel like it!


As for 'chavvy' dogs - the Staffie like the Rottie are great breeds, sadly chavs buy them so they look 'ard and for status amongst the other chavs, same reason they buy old Scoobs, BM's, etc - Status.

Bad and irresponsible owners are the main problem so has anybody got anything to say about my thoughts on licencing for instance?[/quote]


I cannot believe you don't need a license anyway, they should be introduced and made very hard and expensive to get.

dunx

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I remember my parents coughing up for one (licence) for ours as a kid !

dunx

P.S. And one for the radio too !

nixxon

The old dog licenses were scrapped 'cos at 37.5p they were more expensive to collect than the money they raised.
I'm sure most dog lovers wouldn't object to paying, say, £50 for a license.(Annually?) This is nothing in comparison to the general costs of ownership, but may deter the yoofs. Sadly it would also, temporarily, result in many more dogs in care.
Gordon Brownstuff would love it too!l

Spoon

Paul, then take a look what is said about a Staff with other dogs.

However, whatever is said about a particular breed it is really just another tragic case born from the lack of common sense of stupid dog owners, end of.

Licences would be great but would it stop those people that are effectively the problem anyway?

Any amount of legislation won't bring back this or other children killed through the actions of thick people.

Totally agree.

L.J.F

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I think it would a really good idea. At the end of the day most of these dog attack cases are due to careless owners. If a owner buys a pup and then torments him and play fights with him and constantly makes the dog get aggressive, it will know no different when it becomes an adult. I have grown up with my parents owning Rottweilers and there has never been an incident where anybody has been bitten. I own a English bull mastiff and most days i will find him and my cat asleep together, only because he has been brought up and trained properly.

There is no such thing as a dangerous dog, it's the dangerous owners that are the problem

rob 666

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i must be in this group as well at only 29,staffy owner for past seven years,scooby owner for the past 2years,chav me up!!(innit!)

L.J.F

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the only time a dog is classed as chav is when the owner puts a burberry dog coat on the poor thing!!

L.J.F

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no mate i would not leave a dog around a child because i dont take risks!! if a dog is brought up untrained they become unpredictable, especially if they are not used to being around children from a pup. As i said in previous post most cases are due irresponsible owners.

cookstar

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I wouldn't leave my baby in the room alone with ANY dog that had had ANY amount of training on it's own, and if you wouldn't either then you are contradicting your statement about there being no such thing as a dangerous dog.

And if you would, well......

rob 666

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bad case of human error really,suppose the dogs will be put down all because the owner was clueless,i know it cant bring back the young baby, but who ever was looking after the kid really really must have the buck stop with them.

J4CKO

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No such thing as a dangerous dog ?

Course there is, its an animal, it can bite, they arent all stable and cuddly, some are just mental, its not always the fault of an owner, like some people, some dogs are just ***** !

SunnySideUp

Terrible thing to happen - but, babies and dogs should never be alone together.

Back to the child ..... is Jaden a Welsh name?

As for a Dog Licence ... I bought one for a couple of years and then just didn't bother as it was widely abused. Making it £50 would have no effect except the law abiding will pay and the scum will not.

cookstar

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You could have something sililar to a tax disk on their collar, get a new one every year when you renew your licence, failure to do so will result in the animal being destroyed at the owners cost.

SunnySideUp

That would only work if you bought the 1st one ........ if you have a puppy and don't bother who is going to check?

L.J.F

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I would not leave a child alone with a dog period. i aint contradicting myself because i have not said anything about it being ok to do so if the dog is trained. Why is it as soon as dog bites a child a witch hunt kicks off.

cookstar

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Random checks, dog patrols etc. Granted you could not enforce it 100% but maybe enough to make a difference, maybe...

cookstar

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I know, so unfair isn't it to the poor things.

rob 666

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sorry but if that dog was mental,then surely it would have shown signs of it by now,which then brings you back to the fact that the owner is the one in the wrong here,my personal experiancies with staffs is that they are great with humans(i have three kids, youngest one being 3)but not so great with other dogs.

DCI Gene Hunt

Quite an assumption, would you bet your life on that statement?

nixxon

F-cking stupid statement!

L.J.F

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dont take the p1ss out of me and be sarcastic.

DCI Gene Hunt

cookstar

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Chill out FFS

rob 666

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no i would'nt put my life on it but surely your not telling me that the dog is 100% to blame for this tragic death? human error in my opinion after all who knows we cetainly dont as to the individual dogs temprament with kids? just because mines fine does'nt mean others are,just out of intrest have you had much to do with staffies?

EddScott

Your explanation is why I imagine these once docile dogs turn. They feel threatened, jealous, play too hard etc.

Personally I wouldn't have a dog and a baby but then I've never had a dog so I probably would say that.

Anger

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And your going to leave that on all night are you

DCI Gene Hunt

That's exactly what I'm saying.

The "adult" was complicit in the events that allowed the animal to be on their own with a child and to subsequently attack it, but it was the animal(s) that killed the child.

Should I have? would that make my opinion more/less valid? I don't mean to point out the obvious but I've never had much to do with tigers either, but I wouldn't let one sit next to a toddler

Skoobie Dhu

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Tragic end for the youngster.

How many times on SNET have we had similar threads relating to Staffie's/Doberman/Rotweillers.

No dog can ever be trusted regardless training or past temperament. If a grown child is to be left playing with a dog, the child must be able to control or overpower the dog.

I've had dogs all my life (wrong side of 40 now) but whenever I see a Staffie all I see is a seriously muscly dog with jaws on it that look like it could snap a bone easily - not the sort of dog I'd stop to pat.

bigsinky

i have had dogs since the day i was born and i am now 42. seen a lot of them come and go, buried quite a few as well. bred a lot of puppies (not what people would classify as dangerous breeds). some have been gentle giants, others have been complete nutters. genetics and personal attention plays a big park. i wonder if that staffie was exercised everyday?