Diesel

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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
I'm not surprised one jot; baby + vicious dog - adult supervision = death

i think that the thread should have stopped after this post as nothing more needs to be said imo

TOTALLY agree. It's only crapsters that mix youngsters with historically 'fighting' dogs. Dogs with jaw muscles far bigger than their childrens legs or their inadequate calves or brains maybe?

I have a teddy bear type softie dog that thoroughly loves my sub 5yrs old kids and instinctively shepherds and protects them. NEVER would I leave him alone with them though, or would I ever choose a dog that makes me look harder inthe park but stupider at home.

Poor poor mite

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Rapid17

I agree.

Luke

i wait to see a pic of the family, then if they look like chave/neds etc then i know what i will think !!

but if they look like good decent tax paying people, then my heart bleeds for them

pimmo2000

iTrader: (6)

Regardless if they are scum, its a baby ! They left their son with one of their parents, someone they trust and it dies in this way !!

Their own family will be torn apart !

al4x1

sounds like there was no signs of agression with either dog from the neighbours views. Those whose staffie is fine with their kids well thats probably the view this grandmother took. The Jack Russel no doubt had a part in it but is unlikely to have finished it and that is the problem. When that switch gets flicked in a dog with the power to kill such as a staffie etc then its going to result in serious injury or death. With a Jack Russel you'll get lots of small bites but its very rare to be more as they lack the strength. It doesn't matter about training the bit at the back of their brain called instinct can kick in. You don't teach a Jack Russel to kill rats they just do it grab by the neck shake and kill.
Its very sad but dogs and children don't mix that well, whether its the crying that pushes them to it in babies or pulling them about with older children you can't read your dogs mind so you have to watch every move and never be complacent.

New_scooby_04

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I've said it before and I'll say it again:

You NEVER, EVER leave children unsupervised with a dog, regardless of how even tempered it is, or loving it seems.

Staffies are, in point of fact, usually very good with children, even earning the nickname the "nanny dog" in some circles. They are very people orientated animals and make very loyal loving companions! BUT they are still an animal and, as such, can be unpredictable.

Our old staffie never even so much as growled at anyone in our house in his 20 year life. The first time he was introduced to my new born niece, someone inadvertently left the dining room door open, giving him access to her on the floor in her carry cot. I run into the room to find him giving her his own form of greeting (smothering her in "kisses"), which amused her greatly. He was always gentle and patient with her and my nephew. BUT they were never left alone together!

Simple common sense tells you that even a small dog could fatally wound a toddler and, however improbable it may seem based on the dog's previous conduct, you just don't take the chance.

Children should be brought up to respect and love animals, not fear them, but this process should ALWAYS be supervised!

All Torque

Just heard that the dogs were owned by the babies parents, and were left for the night with the grandmother along with the baby. It is also rumored that the Jack Russel showed some jealousy towards the baby.

Devildog

Dogs not there, baby would be fine.

Dogs there, baby tragically dead.

Dogs and babies don't generally open doors by themselves. 100% responsibility for this event lies with the adult(s) involved.

End of.

Would you let your baby play in the street unsupervised? No. Would you leave it in the bath unsupervised? No Would you leave it with a pan of boiling water, unsupervised? No.

Hell, even cats have killed babies before. Should you leave a baby with a cat unsupervised? No.

Lack of responsibility is the problem here. Not the dogs, or their breeds. Its a human made problem.

Devildog

You don't know jack russels very well, do you? They easily have the strength, especially when very young children are involved.

But its interesting that the majority view appears to be that the staffy did the worst. Likely case of stereotypical prejudice.

It doesn't matter which dog did what. It matters that people still (as you have said) lack the basic fecking common sense not to leave dogs and kids together unsupervised.

Where we used to live, two of the kids (one 9 one 12) were given their parents blessing to start a dog walking "service". Nice area, decent people. 9 and 12. What can you say?

pimmo2000

iTrader: (6)

So to sum up .. dont leave the baby unsupervised

Diesel

Mate, I know, and I know I had a good 'go' at people mixing 'muscular, fighting, big jawed dogs' in a domestic home situation (and then add toddlers/babies) but what you say is really 90% right and fair. I also know that many people are so insecure and weak that they need to wake up to a dog that is far, far uglier and far handier than them (so sorry)

I do actually know some lovely 'chavvy' dogs - a great Staff and actually (a few years ago) a Pitt Bull that really was called 'Tyson' (and owned by a headmaster...))!

However for the remaining 10% of my argument, if you add kids and a realistic, normal, non 100% full time babysat dogs/kids situation (99% 'babysat' being achievable) you should go for a historically good rep pooch by basic common sense... GSD's (and I love 2 that I know - but whom also (low level) bite me when I (low level) 'play' with their 'owner'!!!), GSD's and Pit Bull's (and their un-taxed deriveatives), Rotweiller's (and I have kissed and cuddled two!!) being the most logically, sensible, 'if-I-have-to-have adog-and kids' being the types of dog to 100% AVOID. You know i tmakes sense You STILL want a HARD DOG - get an Anatolian IMHO. Big enough to be cool, and large enough and non chippy enough to be SCARY when SEVERLY provoked!!!!

I also LOVE 'hard' Dobermans - but I chose a big softie pastoral for super simple family considerations/protection... Works a treat.

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Devildog

LOL

I'm far uglier than my two


Absolutely, I agree with you on all of that. But often the dogs are there first, before the kid(s), and so the sensible option isn't there. And that's where you simply cannot blame anyone but the parents/guardian for events such as these.

Pit bulls are banned in the UK, btw.


If I wanted a "hard" dog, i'd get a terrier