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16 February 2009, 03:05 PM
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sorry im at work now, bit pushed for time but the quran can only really be understood in arabic.. to get its fully meaning due to arabic being such a complex language.. and there being loads of words for the same thing..
also theres then the understanding of the words... you could say one thing in arbaic and it can have a literal meaning.. then you can say the same word but take the islamic meaning and another word which is what is cmmon among the people of that time..
for example the prophet (saw) used the word 'salaah' when talking to his companions at one time.. salaah means prayer as in what a muslim does 5 times a day.. but in this context he didnt mean it like that, he meant it as 'dua' where you raise your hands and ask god for something..and his companions understood that due to them knowing the language.. dont think wed be able to differentiate with an english translation
anyway enough about the arabic language .. you need to take the context, you have no references with your post.. and they are lines taken here and there.. its not like one or two paragraphs youve taken out.. youve taken a line from different pages..
youve got to understand the quran is a complex book.. it cannot be interpretated on its own by yourself.. they are 3 groups or areas of sort which you can put the understanding into..
the first being the bits that everybody can understand and interpratate, these are the general stuff such as about heaven and hell
the second are bits that need further understanding which is why you use the sayins of the prophet (saw) to help you understand these bits further.. such as the way muslims pray.. it says we should pray in the quran, but nowhere does it tell us how to pray in the quran.. thats in the sayings of the prophet.
and the third bit are the complex parts of the quran.. those pertaining to laws such as halal and haraam and inheritance etc, these are left to be interpretated by thiose with knowledge who have spent years learnign the language and the sayings of the prophet and put them into context i.e. the scholars of islam..
just like you cant pick up a book and do a heart transplant.. you leave it to the specialists, thats what you do with some areas of the quran, you get the specialists to explain..
(i am not one btw before you say llol)
i mean even those companions of the prophet who knew arabic at the time didnt understand some verses and needed further clarification, so i dont know how we expect ourselves to understand it and be interpretors..
yeah so get the references and find the context that the specific sentence is in, for example you mayfind it is talking about a story at the time of a previous prophet or due to something hapening at the time of the prophet muhammad (saw)
also as for yuor english trnaslation ofsome of the versses there crap too lol ive never ever seen a translation worded in such plain english
havnt read em all but just one quote for example
also theres then the understanding of the words... you could say one thing in arbaic and it can have a literal meaning.. then you can say the same word but take the islamic meaning and another word which is what is cmmon among the people of that time..
for example the prophet (saw) used the word 'salaah' when talking to his companions at one time.. salaah means prayer as in what a muslim does 5 times a day.. but in this context he didnt mean it like that, he meant it as 'dua' where you raise your hands and ask god for something..and his companions understood that due to them knowing the language.. dont think wed be able to differentiate with an english translation
anyway enough about the arabic language .. you need to take the context, you have no references with your post.. and they are lines taken here and there.. its not like one or two paragraphs youve taken out.. youve taken a line from different pages..
youve got to understand the quran is a complex book.. it cannot be interpretated on its own by yourself.. they are 3 groups or areas of sort which you can put the understanding into..
the first being the bits that everybody can understand and interpratate, these are the general stuff such as about heaven and hell
the second are bits that need further understanding which is why you use the sayins of the prophet (saw) to help you understand these bits further.. such as the way muslims pray.. it says we should pray in the quran, but nowhere does it tell us how to pray in the quran.. thats in the sayings of the prophet.
and the third bit are the complex parts of the quran.. those pertaining to laws such as halal and haraam and inheritance etc, these are left to be interpretated by thiose with knowledge who have spent years learnign the language and the sayings of the prophet and put them into context i.e. the scholars of islam..
just like you cant pick up a book and do a heart transplant.. you leave it to the specialists, thats what you do with some areas of the quran, you get the specialists to explain..
(i am not one btw before you say llol)
i mean even those companions of the prophet who knew arabic at the time didnt understand some verses and needed further clarification, so i dont know how we expect ourselves to understand it and be interpretors..
yeah so get the references and find the context that the specific sentence is in, for example you mayfind it is talking about a story at the time of a previous prophet or due to something hapening at the time of the prophet muhammad (saw)
also as for yuor english trnaslation ofsome of the versses there crap too lol ive never ever seen a translation worded in such plain english
havnt read em all but just one quote for example
its like if i tried to translate a joke from arabic to english it wont be as funny and sometimes wont even make sense.
16 February 2009, 03:08 PM
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Islam is not a religion anyway but is a dangerous cult that promotes hate and violence, could someone like to explain these verses that are found in the Quran
Not something you want your kids reading is it?
Don't get me wrong, the Bible is just as bad, it is not limited to this religion.
Not something you want your kids reading is it?
Don't get me wrong, the Bible is just as bad, it is not limited to this religion.
Any english translation of the arabic text of the Qu'ran is not a true translation and open to extreme manipulation, as you have shown in your "quotes".
Even so show me where in Islam it says the lines you have quoted?
Apart from the internet searches you used to get your initial assumed quotes.
Juice, there are so many people who unfortunately are in the same boat as Dedrater;
Completely Ignorant of any faith, and when they combine their lack of knowledge with Google.... Beware of the consequences, as you can see from his post.
It is a shame that people cannot actually study into something if they want to learn more, rather than just assume
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16 February 2009, 03:11 PM
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the original thread was subway but soon as the anti islam squad came out, and im reffering to most of the members on the first few pages they all seem to go missing now that everyone is talking facts. pmsl
16 February 2009, 06:02 PM
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YouTube - Scientific Miracles Of the Quran (The Three Stages Of The Baby In The Womb) 16
YouTube - Miracles of the Quran, BIG BANG. "Seperation of the heavens and earth."Do they not consider the Qurán (with care)? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy". Quran 4(82) (www.harunyahya.com)
here are two quick video
and a favourite of mine if islam was all about brain washing then surely a preist would know better right
YouTube - British Catholic Priest Converted To ISLAM
sorry to hijack the thread again for some reason many of you think a muslim is some one who has a beard and is terrorist of some type. when some one mentions islam you only think of terrorists. we are not seen as normal humans. watch the vids then cast an opinion otherwise dont start posting offensive stuff with out an explination. ENJOY!
YouTube - Miracles of the Quran, BIG BANG. "Seperation of the heavens and earth."Do they not consider the Qurán (with care)? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy". Quran 4(82) (www.harunyahya.com)
here are two quick video
and a favourite of mine if islam was all about brain washing then surely a preist would know better right
YouTube - British Catholic Priest Converted To ISLAM
sorry to hijack the thread again for some reason many of you think a muslim is some one who has a beard and is terrorist of some type. when some one mentions islam you only think of terrorists. we are not seen as normal humans. watch the vids then cast an opinion otherwise dont start posting offensive stuff with out an explination. ENJOY!
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16 February 2009, 06:11 PM
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Sorry Jacko, normally I tentd to agree with you, but that's just complete bollox mate 
If you read the original post again properly, nobody is forcing or demanding that anybody does anything
One particular Subway put a sign up canvassing opinion as to whether there would be a market for Halal sandwich fillings
I don't know about the rest of you, but that to me is a shining example of a free market economy in action
Spot which step probably wasn't in the original action plan though
Shopkeeper perceives opportunity to increase sales,
Shopkeeper conducts customer survey to verify that perception,
Shopkeeper starts 3rd World War on internet because a bunch of redneck muppets on a car forum can't read properly
If you read the original post again properly, nobody is forcing or demanding that anybody does anything
One particular Subway put a sign up canvassing opinion as to whether there would be a market for Halal sandwich fillings
I don't know about the rest of you, but that to me is a shining example of a free market economy in action
Spot which step probably wasn't in the original action plan though
Shopkeeper perceives opportunity to increase sales,
Shopkeeper conducts customer survey to verify that perception,
Shopkeeper starts 3rd World War on internet because a bunch of redneck muppets on a car forum can't read properly
I am open to scientific proof about the 80% of the Quran, I need examples though, more to the point, what is the other 20% on about ?
Imagine having it all explained to you if you hadnt heard about it before, igf you hadnt had it taught to you for years, I could get my head around it if there was actually only one reliagion, there are just so many to choose from.
16 February 2009, 06:30 PM
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If I was going to live my life by a fantasy novel, it would probably be the ones by the Holy J.R.R Tolkien, at least there are Orcs and Wizards in that.
16 February 2009, 06:31 PM
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YouTube - Scientific Miracles Of the Quran (The Three Stages Of The Baby In The Womb) 16
YouTube - Miracles of the Quran, BIG BANG. "Seperation of the heavens and earth."Do they not consider the Qurán (with care)? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy". Quran 4(82) (www.harunyahya.com)
here are two quick video
and a favourite of mine if islam was all about brain washing then surely a preist would know better right
YouTube - British Catholic Priest Converted To ISLAM
sorry to hijack the thread again for some reason many of you think a muslim is some one who has a beard and is terrorist of some type. when some one mentions islam you only think of terrorists. we are not seen as normal humans. watch the vids then cast an opinion otherwise dont start posting offensive stuff with out an explination. ENJOY!
YouTube - Miracles of the Quran, BIG BANG. "Seperation of the heavens and earth."Do they not consider the Qurán (with care)? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy". Quran 4(82) (www.harunyahya.com)
here are two quick video
and a favourite of mine if islam was all about brain washing then surely a preist would know better right
YouTube - British Catholic Priest Converted To ISLAM
sorry to hijack the thread again for some reason many of you think a muslim is some one who has a beard and is terrorist of some type. when some one mentions islam you only think of terrorists. we are not seen as normal humans. watch the vids then cast an opinion otherwise dont start posting offensive stuff with out an explination. ENJOY!
Just for balance..
Video: Fitna the Movie: Geert Wilders' film about the Quran (English)
16 February 2009, 06:42 PM
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I want to know what religious people get from it that I am missing, its all very well justifying things via science but are religious people happier, healthier or more successful, is their proof of the afterlife, the bit where you get your just desserts after a life of doing without stuff and praying all the time, are non praying people significantly disadvantaged, am I really going to burn in hell ?
I think I got disillusioned with the whole idea when a bloke a work who was very religious (Christian) who used to explain stuff to me about religion got arrested and sent down for buggering a 12 year old boy, not suggesting for one moment that is typical but after several years of getting advice off this chap, he confesses that one which kind of smacks a little of hypocrisy.
If someone could convince me, I would grow a big beard, snazzy ringlets or have my head shaved and pray with the best of them but I think that may be an uphill struggle.
I think I got disillusioned with the whole idea when a bloke a work who was very religious (Christian) who used to explain stuff to me about religion got arrested and sent down for buggering a 12 year old boy, not suggesting for one moment that is typical but after several years of getting advice off this chap, he confesses that one which kind of smacks a little of hypocrisy.
If someone could convince me, I would grow a big beard, snazzy ringlets or have my head shaved and pray with the best of them but I think that may be an uphill struggle.
16 February 2009, 07:02 PM
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i am an atheist and dislike all religions, some more than others. in varying degrees they are based on fear, punishment and control. but if thats your bag, crack on.
16 February 2009, 07:09 PM
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No, I know, thats my opinion on Religion in general, over complicated and divisive, Halal or not I dont give a toss, Islam or any other religion just seems a complete nonesense to me but if you want to beleive, so be it, if you get some comfort out of it then who am I to argue.
I am open to scientific proof about the 80% of the Quran, I need examples though, more to the point, what is the other 20% on about ?
Imagine having it all explained to you if you hadnt heard about it before, igf you hadnt had it taught to you for years, I could get my head around it if there was actually only one reliagion, there are just so many to choose from.
I am open to scientific proof about the 80% of the Quran, I need examples though, more to the point, what is the other 20% on about ?
Imagine having it all explained to you if you hadnt heard about it before, igf you hadnt had it taught to you for years, I could get my head around it if there was actually only one reliagion, there are just so many to choose from.
Pretty similar to my point of view in fact
I was brought up supposedly Christian, but I've met enough supposedly God-fearing ones over the years (Ulster, Glasgow, Dublin, etc) to know that what they're selling I don't want
Islam I would imagine has exactly the same problems, with just as manyy sectarian fundamentalists trying desperately to tar all the millions of moderate law abiding Muslims with their various brushes
As it goes I do believe in God, but as far as I'm concerned all religions are just cults at heart, and their various followers too easily allow themselves to be led like sheep behind whoever shouts the loudest
16 February 2009, 07:10 PM
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As for the original topic, I can't believe a thread about some of the vilest 'food' products on earth has reached 10 pages
16 February 2009, 07:36 PM
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Foot Long Meatball Maronara with extra cheese, wholesome, healthy and low in fat, and only 2000 calories !
I have only been in two or three times, enough to realise i dont like them, its the fact the hot sandwiches are tepid that makes me feel queasy.
16 February 2009, 07:42 PM
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I love the way they have convinced the public that its an innocent sandwich, not like that nasty McDonalds type fast food...
Foot Long Meatball Maronara with extra cheese, wholesome, healthy and low in fat, and only 2000 calories !
I have only been in two or three times, enough to realise i dont like them, its the fact the hot sandwiches are tepid that makes me feel queasy.
Foot Long Meatball Maronara with extra cheese, wholesome, healthy and low in fat, and only 2000 calories !
I have only been in two or three times, enough to realise i dont like them, its the fact the hot sandwiches are tepid that makes me feel queasy.
Then I nearly dropped at how much they charged for it. Never been back.IMO, it is over priced crap, as you say, they attempt to dress it up as something it's not.
16 February 2009, 08:12 PM
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No thanks, I read the Oxford version, Arabic Text with English Translation, I will give you the specific verses when I get home.
You won't be able to give any exact verses because your "quotes" don't exist. Until you go home and get onto the trusted Google search again.
Muslims preach this stuff themselves, there are many videos of under cover reporters in mosques in Britain, several were condemning integration into British society, condemning democracy and praising the Taliban for killing British soldiers
Again why not go out and actually try and learn about a religion and educate yourself.
It just staggers me that you base your views on the TV and Internet. If you really want to know about Muslims and how they work, go out and actually meet some yourself, you really will be surprised.
If I was going to live my life by a fantasy novel, it would probably be the ones by the Holy J.R.R Tolkien, at least there are Orcs and Wizards in that.
Judging by your posts you already live your life in a fantasy land, made up by Tabloids and TV.
16 February 2009, 08:46 PM
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Dedrater: that quran could not be understood but i will assure you i will try and read that verse again.
as for fundamentalists no one is perfect, how many times have you seen priest molesting young kids???? DOESNT MAKE ALL PRIESTS BAD ITS a small minority. and beside the british troops shouldnt be in afgahnistan as thats a totally diffrent argument, i think the troops should withdraw and try and build better schools to educate our children as the children is our future.
as for fundamentalists no one is perfect, how many times have you seen priest molesting young kids???? DOESNT MAKE ALL PRIESTS BAD ITS a small minority. and beside the british troops shouldnt be in afgahnistan as thats a totally diffrent argument, i think the troops should withdraw and try and build better schools to educate our children as the children is our future.
16 February 2009, 08:59 PM
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And all this from a cheese and ham sub...
16 February 2009, 09:48 PM
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Religion is not my bag at all but staggered how this thread can by used to drag up anti Muslim sentiments, pathetic, no wonder this country is going the way it is.
Subway is Ok but wouldn't go there to often with its processed food, sure it better than McDonalds but so is my crap
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Subway is Ok but wouldn't go there to often with its processed food, sure it better than McDonalds but so is my crap
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17 February 2009, 12:48 AM
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j4ko type in miracles of the quran on youtube watch one or two videos and let us know what you think as your neutral and you seem to have an open and honest opinion.
17 February 2009, 09:29 AM
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thats a fair point, two wrongs dont make a right when america was killing innocent iraqies,lebanese,afganies and caused a wars across the wrorld they are really not in a postion to speak if you look at america with the gun shooting, prostTUTION and lots of pedos there is an old saying fix your home b4 you fix your neighbours. I DONT SEE THEM BOMBING COLUMBIA Who are the largest cocaine suppliers. and they are causing the most damage in the american streets agree??????
j4ko type in miracles of the quran on youtube watch one or two videos and let us know what you think as your neutral and you seem to have an open and honest opinion.
j4ko type in miracles of the quran on youtube watch one or two videos and let us know what you think as your neutral and you seem to have an open and honest opinion.
Some would say that most of the damage on US streets is more a result of the War on Drugs' than the drugs themselves
Cocaine and heroin used to be perfectly legal in the US, they only got demonised and banned when, a/ the children of rich white folks started getting hooked on them, and b/ Black folks started getting rich supplying them
After the white folks got rich doing their drug dealing (bootlegging; the same thing), they made damned sure no uppitty ni**ers were going to follow suit
17 February 2009, 09:39 AM
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I honestly don't give a flying **** as to how an animal is slaughtered, a dead animal is a dead animal regardless of how it's slaughtered, and it's meat that's gonna get eaten in one form or another. 
Let's stop kidding our selves that it really matters how it dies. Who cares so long as it's quality meat that tastes well. I ain't bothered if it's halal or not.
So long as a restaurant or food chain doesn't start withdrawing certain meats from its menu (ie bacon, ham etc, such as Dominoes in Birmingham) because it doesn't fit with certain religions I ain't bothered, but when it does, that's proper discrimination!
Let's stop kidding our selves that it really matters how it dies. Who cares so long as it's quality meat that tastes well. I ain't bothered if it's halal or not. So long as a restaurant or food chain doesn't start withdrawing certain meats from its menu (ie bacon, ham etc, such as Dominoes in Birmingham) because it doesn't fit with certain religions I ain't bothered, but when it does, that's proper discrimination!
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thats a fair point, two wrongs dont make a right when america was killing innocent iraqies,lebanese,afganies and caused a wars across the wrorld they are really not in a postion to speak if you look at america with the gun shooting, prostTUTION and lots of pedos there is an old saying fix your home b4 you fix your neighbours. I DONT SEE THEM BOMBING COLUMBIA Who are the largest cocaine suppliers. and they are causing the most damage in the american streets agree??????
j4ko type in miracles of the quran on youtube watch one or two videos and let us know what you think as your neutral and you seem to have an open and honest opinion.
j4ko type in miracles of the quran on youtube watch one or two videos and let us know what you think as your neutral and you seem to have an open and honest opinion.
Its not just the US in Afghanistan, and its not just the US that is flooded with heroin from there.
Iraq, well maybe I could see your point, but not Afghanistan. Its awful when innocent people die but remember innocent people die on western streets everyday as a result of the heroin that comes from this place.
Taliban kill innocent people to get access to good farm land and strategic strongholds.
Maybe we are not dealing with it in the right way, But it does need dealing with, The people of that country do need there country back from the hands of the taliban.
War is a brutal thing and innocent people dieing is terrible. But the Afghan situation is not (maybe no longer) about Muslim's, its about what would happen to the world if a lawless country with that kind of income was left on its own.
Ok now back to subway, The honey wheat bread is always soggy.
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You mean the way they used katrina to remove the poor people from prime land and develop the projects for up market condos, or the way that the money vanished into the coffers of private companies with very little reconstruction taking place. Or the way the money was not allowed to pay teachers and governmnet workers who ended up broke and unemployed, or how they used katrina to privatise all the local services and education.
The billions raised after the Tsunami went the same way, the money went to wealthy developers who want to build hotels and kick the locals off thier land. All of this was orchestrated by the US government, the IMF and the World bank.
The billions raised after the Tsunami went the same way, the money went to wealthy developers who want to build hotels and kick the locals off thier land. All of this was orchestrated by the US government, the IMF and the World bank.