Halal Meat - Subway
17 February 2009, 11:39 PM
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Other fish have parasites, however it seems pork is one of the most prominently unhealty meats out there which harbours alot of diseases which can be harmful.
With regards to the H&S point, in Islam it is also encouraged that although something is Allah's will, as human's we have "free will", meaning that Allah has encouraged all Muslims not to rely solely on him but do as much as each individual can control themselves, to help themselves.
Allah's will is ultimate, however we have our own say as to what and how we conduct our day to day lives.
Many muslims get confused on this rationale and believe that they can do whatever they want, and if Allah wills it, it will happen;
Regardless of what actions they carry out or do.
This is incorrect.
As Muslims we are obliged to do everything in our power to keep ourselves and others safe.
That includes buckling up in the Scoob
With regards to the H&S point, in Islam it is also encouraged that although something is Allah's will, as human's we have "free will", meaning that Allah has encouraged all Muslims not to rely solely on him but do as much as each individual can control themselves, to help themselves.
Allah's will is ultimate, however we have our own say as to what and how we conduct our day to day lives.
Many muslims get confused on this rationale and believe that they can do whatever they want, and if Allah wills it, it will happen;
Regardless of what actions they carry out or do.
This is incorrect.
As Muslims we are obliged to do everything in our power to keep ourselves and others safe.
That includes buckling up in the Scoob
I don't actually eat much Pork myself, Bacon is rather fantastic though, I have to give it a good burning before its right, maybe thats my way of avoiding it being a danger, subconsciously but any meat should be well cooked apart from steak, I suppose I treat Chicken with the most caution though.
I accept that I am not going to covert the Islamic and Jewish world to Bacon, wouldn't want to, it would cause a world shortage !
17 February 2009, 11:50 PM
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im all for buying brtish firstly cause i am brtish, secondly i dont fancy the idea of a lot of miles on my food and thirdly by buying only british might make farmers richer and maybe they can buy property of me and help out with the credit crunch lol its funny you mention jamie oliver im a big fan of that campaign im also all for free range chicken after watching the "chicken run". to be honest i didnt want to see the video as things like that only get my blood boilling cause people dont follow the clear islamic guidelines, i would hate to see what happens in slughter houses anywhere in the world , cause what you see on bbc one and channel four doest show what really happens behind closed doors.
18 February 2009, 12:10 AM
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I am a little surprised this is still going tbh. But then it is SN
My take on it is... if people don't want to eat something, for whatever reason, then so be it, it isn't hurting anyone.
If a retail outlet wants to offer an alternative to appeal to a different group, fine. It's all about the money at the end of the day.
I hate the place, so my view is skewed,not to mention I am fussy so I'm speaking generally, but yes, I may have an issue if an outlet was excluding a group, to cater for another, in what is a multi cultural society. If it stays as offering a varying range of foods to suit a varying customer base, then all is well, but don't start to exclude others. Fair is fair, people want to be included, and want their tastes catered for, which to my mind is reasonable, but not at the expense of ruling out others. You can't ask for acceptance, but not accept others, imo.
My take on it is... if people don't want to eat something, for whatever reason, then so be it, it isn't hurting anyone.
If a retail outlet wants to offer an alternative to appeal to a different group, fine. It's all about the money at the end of the day.
I hate the place, so my view is skewed,not to mention I am fussy so I'm speaking generally, but yes, I may have an issue if an outlet was excluding a group, to cater for another, in what is a multi cultural society. If it stays as offering a varying range of foods to suit a varying customer base, then all is well, but don't start to exclude others. Fair is fair, people want to be included, and want their tastes catered for, which to my mind is reasonable, but not at the expense of ruling out others. You can't ask for acceptance, but not accept others, imo.
18 February 2009, 07:48 AM
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Other fish have parasites, however it seems pork is one of the most prominently unhealty meats out there which harbours alot of diseases which can be harmful.
With regards to the H&S point, in Islam it is also encouraged that although something is Allah's will, as human's we have "free will", meaning that Allah has encouraged all Muslims not to rely solely on him but do as much as each individual can control themselves, to help themselves.
Allah's will is ultimate, however we have our own say as to what and how we conduct our day to day lives.
Many muslims get confused on this rationale and believe that they can do whatever they want, and if Allah wills it, it will happen;
Regardless of what actions they carry out or do.
This is incorrect.
As Muslims we are obliged to do everything in our power to keep ourselves and others safe.
That includes buckling up in the Scoob
With regards to the H&S point, in Islam it is also encouraged that although something is Allah's will, as human's we have "free will", meaning that Allah has encouraged all Muslims not to rely solely on him but do as much as each individual can control themselves, to help themselves.
Allah's will is ultimate, however we have our own say as to what and how we conduct our day to day lives.
Many muslims get confused on this rationale and believe that they can do whatever they want, and if Allah wills it, it will happen;
Regardless of what actions they carry out or do.
This is incorrect.
As Muslims we are obliged to do everything in our power to keep ourselves and others safe.
That includes buckling up in the Scoob
Very true and can be interpreted to cover most situations and actions and in some cases removing the need for someto think or use common sense or take responsibility.
I cannot remember the number of times i have driven down the Sheik Zayed road at 90 and been overtaken by a 4x4 with 1/2/3 small children pushed up against the front screen whilst the father was driving on the phone - Inshallah nothing will happen to me.
Education is just as important and should be an active part of religion - along with taking responsibilities for ones actions
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18 February 2009, 09:54 AM
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that video is just completely wrong!
Islamic slaughtering of animals is a blessing to both the animal and to humans alike. In order for the slaughtering to be lawful, several measures must be taken by the one performing the deed. This is to ensure the highest benefit to both the animal and the consumer.
In this regard, the Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) said: "God calls for mercy in everything, so be merciful when you kill and when you slaughter: sharpen your blade to relieve its pain".
The object used to slaughter the animal should be sharp and used swiftly. The swift cutting of vessels of the neck disconnects the flow of blood to the nerves in the brain responsible for pain. Thus the animal does not feel pain. The movements and withering that happen to the animal after the cut is made are not due to pain, but due to the contraction and relaxation of the muscles deficient in blood. The prophet (peace be upon him) also taught Muslims neither to sharpen the blade of the knife in front of the animal nor to slaughter an animal in front of others of its own kind.
The cut should involve the windpipe (trachea), gullet (esophagus), and the two jugular veins without cutting the spinal cord. This method results in the rapid gush of blood draining most of it from the animal’s body. If the spinal cord is cut, the nerve fibers to the heart might be damaged leading to cardiac arrest thus resulting in stagnation of blood in the blood vessels. The blood must be drained completely before the head is removed. This purifies the meat by removing most of the blood that acts as a medium for microorganisms; meat also remains fresh longer as compared to other methods of slaughtering.
Therefore accusations of animal cruelty should very rightly be focused on those who do not use the Islamic way of slaughtering but prefer to use those methods which cause pain and agony to the animal and could also very well cause harm to those consuming the meat.
In this regard, the Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) said: "God calls for mercy in everything, so be merciful when you kill and when you slaughter: sharpen your blade to relieve its pain".
The object used to slaughter the animal should be sharp and used swiftly. The swift cutting of vessels of the neck disconnects the flow of blood to the nerves in the brain responsible for pain. Thus the animal does not feel pain. The movements and withering that happen to the animal after the cut is made are not due to pain, but due to the contraction and relaxation of the muscles deficient in blood. The prophet (peace be upon him) also taught Muslims neither to sharpen the blade of the knife in front of the animal nor to slaughter an animal in front of others of its own kind.
The cut should involve the windpipe (trachea), gullet (esophagus), and the two jugular veins without cutting the spinal cord. This method results in the rapid gush of blood draining most of it from the animal’s body. If the spinal cord is cut, the nerve fibers to the heart might be damaged leading to cardiac arrest thus resulting in stagnation of blood in the blood vessels. The blood must be drained completely before the head is removed. This purifies the meat by removing most of the blood that acts as a medium for microorganisms; meat also remains fresh longer as compared to other methods of slaughtering.
Therefore accusations of animal cruelty should very rightly be focused on those who do not use the Islamic way of slaughtering but prefer to use those methods which cause pain and agony to the animal and could also very well cause harm to those consuming the meat.
18 February 2009, 10:56 AM
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its when the facts come out banny, some people only like talking crap and when you hit them with facts they go hiding, lol
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Perhaps the solution is for someone to start up a new nation-wide fast food chain "McHalalFriedChicken", obviously a gap in the market for one. Muslims would be assured of the meat being correctly prepared and non-Muslims who object to the slaughter methods can carry on eating the crap at stinky Subway 
Make mine a chicken shawarma
Make mine a chicken shawarma
18 February 2009, 11:41 AM
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tbf dixys, uk fried chicken, salahs, mahmoods and all the other places have a different taste to the originals i tasted in makkah when i were there lol. zinger burger from KFC being the best..
closest you'd find is probs the barbeque chicken burger from chicken cottage but stil not as good
closest you'd find is probs the barbeque chicken burger from chicken cottage but stil not as good
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Perhaps the solution is for someone to start up a new nation-wide fast food chain "McHalalFriedChicken", obviously a gap in the market for one. Muslims would be assured of the meat being correctly prepared and non-Muslims who object to the slaughter methods can carry on eating the crap at stinky Subway
Make mine a chicken shawarma
Make mine a chicken shawarma
18 February 2009, 12:14 PM
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....apart from the people who disagree with how the meat is prepared. Honestly until I read this thread I had no idea that there were non-Muslim/ non-Jewish people who had issues with it. I worked in two supermarket chains and not once did I have anyone ask "How has this meat been slaughtered?", I've never heard it asked in takeaway or a restaurant either.
Sorry, but certain comments on this thread are just an excuse to Muslim bash.
Sorry, but certain comments on this thread are just an excuse to Muslim bash.
18 February 2009, 12:21 PM
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....apart from the people who disagree with how the meat is prepared. Honestly until I read this thread I had no idea that there were non-Muslim/ non-Jewish people who had issues with it. I worked in two supermarket chains and not once did I have anyone ask "How has this meat been slaughtered?", I've never heard it asked in takeaway or a restaurant either.
Sorry, but certain comments on this thread are just an excuse to Muslim bash.
Sorry, but certain comments on this thread are just an excuse to Muslim bash.
TBH i was not exactly sure was was the exact way Halal meat was slaughtered, i understood the animal Had its throat cut whilst alive. TBH i do not see a huge difference or outcry over stunning an animal and then gutting it - simplistic but there you go.
There will always be those on SN who for whatever reason just like a good old dig at any religion!
I would rather try to keep things constructive and as a discussion and not sink into tit for tat insult trading and another locked thread.
I used to buy a lot of Halal meat whilst in Dubai along with bacon/pork which was sold freely in supermarkets although not on view in the main part - makes sense as it is a Muslim country and it can offend, no problem. The only thing i did not enjoy that much was the beef steak as it was not hung for any amount of time. Personal taste really. However i used to buy a lot of fish and prawns as it was very fresh, great quality and cheap
18 February 2009, 01:03 PM
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Just my opinion but I love the diversity of different cultures that we have - especially the food
Imagine if "those" people had never come here and we missed out on Chinese, Italian, Turkish, Lebanese etc etc cuisine.
If my Nana was alive now she would have no idea what half the stuff in the supermarkets was - homous, cous cous, I don't think she ever got to try pizza or pasta even. She did take her washing to the Chinese laundry (I'm going back seventy odd years) and yes the street signs were dual, her landlord was Indian as was her GP but she wasn't frightened of the UK being taken over by Asians
Imagine if "those" people had never come here and we missed out on Chinese, Italian, Turkish, Lebanese etc etc cuisine.
If my Nana was alive now she would have no idea what half the stuff in the supermarkets was - homous, cous cous, I don't think she ever got to try pizza or pasta even. She did take her washing to the Chinese laundry (I'm going back seventy odd years) and yes the street signs were dual, her landlord was Indian as was her GP but she wasn't frightened of the UK being taken over by Asians
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Just to make it more complicated
My 2 pence worth...............
Now technically Sikh's (Which I am one) are not allowed to eat any sacrificial meat, which would thus mean I would no longer be able to eat Subway if they started to serve Halal meat.
I do have issues with this, as some my relatives who do insist that we never go to a Halal Nando's or Halal Restaurant, so were would this leave people who will not eat any sacrificial meat?
Personally I believe that for Hindu's and Sikh there should not be a middle ground either you eat meat or don't as our religions strongly advocate vegetarianism as you should not eat another life what ever it maybe, so all the crap about not eating certain animals or meat killed in a certain way is all nonsense, KILL IT, COOK IT, EAT IT
However , recently a friend of mine has started preaching to me about all the crap that is in our food, I..e E-numbers, preservatives, coloring, gluten, aspartame etc etc............Now these are the things which in our society we should be worried about the stuff you read in the papers about Halal and stuff is just a distraction to make you feel better.
On a recent visit to Tesco's I picked up a lot of the usual food products (i.e Jam, milk, bread, you name it ) and had a read, and was amazed at how much crap is in our food. I then went on to the 'Ethnic section' and compared products and ingredients and behold I did find that a lot of ethnic food and products contained (apart from Chinese stuff all sorts in them) al ot more natural ingredients, if for example compare bread, Your average Whole meal bread contains, the usual wheat, yeast but then go on to have sugar, salt, emulsifiers, gluten
etc etc where as if you look at some flat breads had 4 x ingredients flour, yeast, salt and non pasteurized milk.
I think that lot of us me included should wake up abit and realize that Halal me is not biggest worry and more of police state who wants to feed us crap through the large supermarket chains.
P.S I read the whole thread Underworld ur a dick
I await your comments good and bad because that what disscussion is about
Now technically Sikh's (Which I am one) are not allowed to eat any sacrificial meat, which would thus mean I would no longer be able to eat Subway if they started to serve Halal meat.
I do have issues with this, as some my relatives who do insist that we never go to a Halal Nando's or Halal Restaurant, so were would this leave people who will not eat any sacrificial meat?
Personally I believe that for Hindu's and Sikh there should not be a middle ground either you eat meat or don't as our religions strongly advocate vegetarianism as you should not eat another life what ever it maybe, so all the crap about not eating certain animals or meat killed in a certain way is all nonsense, KILL IT, COOK IT, EAT IT
However , recently a friend of mine has started preaching to me about all the crap that is in our food, I..e E-numbers, preservatives, coloring, gluten, aspartame etc etc............Now these are the things which in our society we should be worried about the stuff you read in the papers about Halal and stuff is just a distraction to make you feel better.
On a recent visit to Tesco's I picked up a lot of the usual food products (i.e Jam, milk, bread, you name it ) and had a read, and was amazed at how much crap is in our food. I then went on to the 'Ethnic section' and compared products and ingredients and behold I did find that a lot of ethnic food and products contained (apart from Chinese stuff all sorts in them) al ot more natural ingredients, if for example compare bread, Your average Whole meal bread contains, the usual wheat, yeast but then go on to have sugar, salt, emulsifiers, gluten
etc etc where as if you look at some flat breads had 4 x ingredients flour, yeast, salt and non pasteurized milk. I think that lot of us me included should wake up abit and realize that Halal me is not biggest worry and more of police state who wants to feed us crap through the large supermarket chains.
P.S I read the whole thread Underworld ur a dick
I await your comments good and bad because that what disscussion is about
18 February 2009, 02:42 PM
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Not sure if bad comment will be welcome, though. Bad comment guys and gaals will receive "d!ck" title, as your post suggests.
Anyhow, some comments here.
Obviously, the OP had the issues with the method of slaughter in regards to Halal. I am sure he, and others are entitled to express their opinion on it- good or bad, agreeable or diagreeable; as you say. His thread has attracted a clarification on Halal slaughter with someone explaining what real Halal means(ref: Eggy's post #365). It surely is very informative. Now, having read the whole thread, the attack on Islam and Islamic practices, videos and links are posted by some people who only know what is widely available. I would say that from such people, query will be better than their conclusive hatred, due to their twised perception of any religous/social practices. It is good on some Muslims to come forward and provide others with accurate ideology to rid misconceptions, without getting extremely defensive and counter-offensive over it. Someone on a post here is calling someone "You are what you are" (i.e pig) with rude sign. Is there any need for that?? Someone is calling someone a d!mmick. Is there any need for it in an intelligent discussion?? For childish behaviour, someone being challenged to even dare to come to a meet! Is there any need for this in a decent discussion?? Why try to curb an irrational cognition by causing fear and spitting profanity? Why play "tit for tat" power game, when one can easily get into the reasonable explanation with correct answers.
About food, my own thoughts are that meat is not good, full stop. Proteins can be obtained from vegetables, eggs and pulses etc. There really is no need to kill animals. Saying that, I eat meat. I am a born Hindu with my self-defined religion called "humanity" in practice. I eat beef, and I don't mind bacon either. I have a logic behind my consumption material, and I am quite at ease with what I eat
I say people can go organic, if they can afford to. People can eat more vegetables and fruits, even if they don't like them. People don't have to eat anything including Halal or non-halal, if it gets their goat bleating. It is simple as. Free country. <shrugs>Other than that, please don't provoke "stirrism", hatred etc. But get this message right. Don't let this fair expectation supress your liberties. Feel free to discuss what you like, with your mind full of reasonable queries. Not with coloured spectacles on your eyes about other cultures and practices.
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My 2 pence worth...............
Now technically Sikh's (Which I am one) are not allowed to eat any sacrificial meat, which would thus mean I would no longer be able to eat Subway if they started to serve Halal meat.
I do have issues with this, as some my relatives who do insist that we never go to a Halal Nando's or Halal Restaurant, so were would this leave people who will not eat any sacrificial meat?
Personally I believe that for Hindu's and Sikh there should not be a middle ground either you eat meat or don't as our religions strongly advocate vegetarianism as you should not eat another life what ever it maybe, so all the crap about not eating certain animals or meat killed in a certain way is all nonsense, KILL IT, COOK IT, EAT IT
However , recently a friend of mine has started preaching to me about all the crap that is in our food, I..e E-numbers, preservatives, coloring, gluten, aspartame etc etc............Now these are the things which in our society we should be worried about the stuff you read in the papers about Halal and stuff is just a distraction to make you feel better.
On a recent visit to Tesco's I picked up a lot of the usual food products (i.e Jam, milk, bread, you name it ) and had a read, and was amazed at how much crap is in our food. I then went on to the 'Ethnic section' and compared products and ingredients and behold I did find that a lot of ethnic food and products contained (apart from Chinese stuff all sorts in them) al ot more natural ingredients, if for example compare bread, Your average Whole meal bread contains, the usual wheat, yeast but then go on to have sugar, salt, emulsifiers, gluten etc etc where as if you look at some flat breads had 4 x ingredients flour, yeast, salt and non pasteurized milk.
I think that lot of us me included should wake up abit and realize that Halal me is not biggest worry and more of police state who wants to feed us crap through the large supermarket chains.
P.S I read the whole thread Underworld ur a dick
I await your comments good and bad because that what disscussion is about
Now technically Sikh's (Which I am one) are not allowed to eat any sacrificial meat, which would thus mean I would no longer be able to eat Subway if they started to serve Halal meat.
I do have issues with this, as some my relatives who do insist that we never go to a Halal Nando's or Halal Restaurant, so were would this leave people who will not eat any sacrificial meat?
Personally I believe that for Hindu's and Sikh there should not be a middle ground either you eat meat or don't as our religions strongly advocate vegetarianism as you should not eat another life what ever it maybe, so all the crap about not eating certain animals or meat killed in a certain way is all nonsense, KILL IT, COOK IT, EAT IT
However , recently a friend of mine has started preaching to me about all the crap that is in our food, I..e E-numbers, preservatives, coloring, gluten, aspartame etc etc............Now these are the things which in our society we should be worried about the stuff you read in the papers about Halal and stuff is just a distraction to make you feel better.
On a recent visit to Tesco's I picked up a lot of the usual food products (i.e Jam, milk, bread, you name it ) and had a read, and was amazed at how much crap is in our food. I then went on to the 'Ethnic section' and compared products and ingredients and behold I did find that a lot of ethnic food and products contained (apart from Chinese stuff all sorts in them) al ot more natural ingredients, if for example compare bread, Your average Whole meal bread contains, the usual wheat, yeast but then go on to have sugar, salt, emulsifiers, gluten
etc etc where as if you look at some flat breads had 4 x ingredients flour, yeast, salt and non pasteurized milk. I think that lot of us me included should wake up abit and realize that Halal me is not biggest worry and more of police state who wants to feed us crap through the large supermarket chains.
P.S I read the whole thread Underworld ur a dick
I await your comments good and bad because that what disscussion is about
underworld is just funny he must be quite young i'm starting to feel sorry for him now lol
some one earlier in the thread asked how can turks be muslims if they eat pork and my reply to that was everyone to there own. us practising muslims choose not to eat it it as its forbidden for us.
guv my other half is sikh she eats halal meat all the time with me and the family when she comes round, just out of cuorcity what would your take be on that. is it a personal preffrence or is it religous belif that you shouldnt eat halal meat.
thanks
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i didnt know that guv..
my best mate is sikh, and they always get whatevas convenient for them.. mostly halal meat..
his grandma makes an excellent chicken masala for me hehe
my best mate is sikh, and they always get whatevas convenient for them.. mostly halal meat..
his grandma makes an excellent chicken masala for me
hehe
18 February 2009, 04:22 PM
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underworld is just funny he must be quite young i'm starting to feel sorry for him now lol
some one earlier in the thread asked how can turks be muslims if they eat pork and my reply to that was everyone to there own. us practising muslims choose not to eat it it as its forbidden for us.
guv my other half is sikh she eats halal meat all the time with me and the family when she comes round, just out of cuorcity what would your take be on that. is it a personal preffrence or is it religous belif that you shouldnt eat halal meat.
thanks
some one earlier in the thread asked how can turks be muslims if they eat pork and my reply to that was everyone to there own. us practising muslims choose not to eat it it as its forbidden for us.
guv my other half is sikh she eats halal meat all the time with me and the family when she comes round, just out of cuorcity what would your take be on that. is it a personal preffrence or is it religous belif that you shouldnt eat halal meat.
thanks
Do Sikhs have any specific food rules ?
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[QUOTE=J4CKO;8519566]Mus, you say your missus is Sikh ? I always thought that was a big no no in the Islamic community, i.e. marrying/romance outside the faith ?
its recommended to marry inside the faith but she is very open minded we both respect each otheres beliefs, famlies and tradition. to be honest she doesnt really follow her religon as much as her dad does either way it doesnt bother me. cause that how i met her if she turns around and says she wants to convert to judaism or christianity again it would bother me.
its recommended to marry inside the faith but she is very open minded we both respect each otheres beliefs, famlies and tradition. to be honest she doesnt really follow her religon as much as her dad does either way it doesnt bother me. cause that how i met her if she turns around and says she wants to convert to judaism or christianity again it would bother me.
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there is a lot of ins and out when getting married im not going to get in to it now otherwise il be here explaining forever .lol
18 February 2009, 05:42 PM
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Ok, I got the impression it was frowned upon in a fairly major way, my wife has a Muslim friend and the lengths she had to go to years ago when at college to avoid people finding out her boyfriend was not a Muslim was amazing.