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davegtt

5t, bit short sighted isnt it?

When people of that religion first came here, they wasnt demanding Halal meat etc, now times are different, they are no longer minorities. Theyve been here for numerous years, had families here that are now British as you or I. Except they have a different religion and there is now a demand for it.

I dont see the problem with it. Sure, British people wanting a Bacon Sarnie in Saudi would be mad, but if loads of people moved there, helped the economy etc there might be a demand and you might (not that I believe it would) get your bacon butty corner shop somewhere....

I like your "Govt information produced in English only. God help you if you go to another country then. How many languages do you speak?

Leslie

Its not the fact that the animal is killed to eat, but more the manner of the killing. I think it is unfair to the creature if it is killed in a manner which means it takes up to four minutes to die. Kill it with a stun gun first and then bleed it if that has to be done.

Les

fivetide

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So why don't they speak english?

Why do we need to have street signs in urdu?

Why don't they let their wives work (unless it is in their own businesses) while letting them claim dole money since they can't get a job because they 'no habla' ??


How many times do i go to sign on in another country? FYI if you are in France then you must speak French. All forms are in French, all official government communications - yep you guessed it - in French. Want to stay there? Then learn to speak the language. Its the law. It is also the reason 'asylum seekers' come here not France because we are an easy touch.

5t.

davegtt

They do speak English. What planet are you on? Ive very rarely come across someone who doesnt speak English over here.

I might be mistaken here but Ive never seen a street sign in Urdu, can you forward me any links please?

I dont know much about France, I dont wish to know but I'd be suprised if you couldnt manage to fill out a form in English if needed. I know Ive managed to do it in MANY other countries so Id be suprised if France are so different

fivetide

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I have. My mum does all the time. She works as a pharmacist and they have a lot of British Asian women collecting prescriptions on the NHS that can't understand basic english. These are not people coming over for a holiday they are UK nationals that can't speak the language.

As for the signs.. have a look around East London and also Bradford/Birmingham

Here's one example... any reason for this at all?

File:Southall station sign.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also regardign France do some digging. It is the law it is mandatory that all forms are French. also all legal documents and contracts (like those for work_ in French. Plus all the radfio stations have to play a large percentage of music in the national language.

My mate went to work in France 10 years ago. Before he went he spent 6 months learnign it before he went and now has a French wife etc. At no point did he expect to be handed everything on a plate like it is here. He has gone abroad and fitted in with their culture and ways of doing things instead of complaining and trying to get things changed. If these people were 'as british as us' then why is there a problem?

Seriously, it is nice to be liberal but we are being done up like a kipper. You really should look into it.

5t.

SwissTony

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I totally agree with what fivetide has said

It is about time the wave of PC and religious 'bend over and take it' softies in this country got the boot and someone with a bit of backbone was instilled.


oh and Subways are a franchise so I guess the owner can do what the hell they want

davegtt

Dont get me wrong, Im not a do gooder that believes in everything. Just think theres no point in crying that theres a sign in another language aswell as your own. Any reason for the sign being in another language. Maybe the population around that area could be from a background that brings in alot of family visitors that maybe dont speak English that well. Just like in Spain when you see a menu, if its a busy place you might find English and German printed too for the non locals.

Working in a Pharmacist will always see a foriegn speaker. Travellers need medication all the time. Been there myself and looked a tit trying to ask for pain killers in Spanish.

We are arguing off topic now. End of the day, we have a massive population that has a demand for Halal meat, why not give it to them. I can see some peoples argument regarding the cruelty part but at the end of the day its still bred and killed to be eaten.

j4ckos mate

BRING BACK THATCH


she would have chucked the lot out

Jamz3k

I actually agree with FiveTide but have more stronger less politically incorrect views than he does as i am sick of foreigners/minorities and there foreign ways if i'm being totally blunt and honest.

Personally i blame homosexuals. We gave them an inch, they took GayPride and that just spurred on other minorities.

davegtt

What do you mean by "i am sick of foreigners/minorities and there foreign ways if i'm being totally blunt and honest".

Can you expand on that?

jacrobat

Wales has had an official 'two languages' policy for a long time without too many problems even though a majority of the country do not speak Welsh at all. The policy came in a long time before devolved Government.

As for animal welfare issues, anyone watching Jamie Oliver's pig program the other week will know that the supermarkets happily circumvent all of the rules and we do not really know where the meat that they sell and fill their pies etc come from, the conditions they were kept in, the drugs they had pumped into them and the conditions of slaughter. We all turn a wilful blind eye to animal welfare in the pursuit of cheap food and believing that the supermarket chains have our best interests at heart.

jacrobat

Technically, we are all foreigners. My dad's family can trace their tree back to William the Conqueror as they came over with him and he gave them land and turfed off the local Saxon population and it is all documented in the Doomsday Book.

Your crack about homosexuals is akin to Hitler blaming the Jews for everything and should be treated accordingly.

fivetide

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That's a good point. omething i missed out and shouldn't have as there is a similar thing here in Scotland.

That said, these are native languages and should be acknowledged. At least they use the same alphabet!

Having a menu in french/german etc for tourists is far removed from the government spending billions on making sure that we produce everything in twenty odd languages that are not even native to this country.

The halal thing is a distraction but as has been said there is a market and it can be serviced but it shouldn't be done at the expense of fitting in (the Morrison's point is a good example of that.)

5t.

davegtt

The only issue Ive had with any of whats been said is those Subway resteraunts that only offer Halal meat and taken the pork of the menu. I cant see what business it is of anyone elses, what others eat etc

Jamz3k

Certainly can my friend. I work with the public and everyday i deal with people who cannot be bothered to speak the Queens English generally from Africa i may add, not only can they not communicate in this countries language but they become rude due to the inability to communicate to me. I actually find them to be filthy sleezey scumbags at well.

I then have to deal with the Gypsie population that have travelled across the boarder and ruins the areas in which i live, try to rob everyone and happily smashed the wingmirror off my car in there untaxed and uninsured flat bed lorry. The only reason why they have come here is to rip the good population off.

My friend has worked his entire life and had to quit his job after splitting up with his wife and having to stay and home and look after the children. He has had no or little help to pay the bills and had to sell his house and rent because he could get anything off the gov. Yet, i deal with jonny foreigner coming into the country, just moved into his coverted barn apartment paid for by me and you and can also sign up for his full £46 package to Sky.

Then do i need to mention about the amount of foreigners entering the country and are happily allowed to spread there hate regarding the British way of life?

Now if i can't go into my local Subway and get a ****ing Italian BMT because apparently they can't serve pork i truely believe that something is UP with this country.

Jamz3k

My family originally came from France but you know what we did many many years ago. We adapted and became British and accepted the British way of life.

As for my crack at homosexuals, it's called humour but your may be too gay to understand witt as i hear that homosexuals have smaller brains.

davegtt

Jamz, I think you meant DOWN with this country

I take you points on but I feel alot of what you have said is not all down to "foriegners". These Gypsie populations were probably around alot longer than you or me Like I said, I agree about you not being able to get your BLT etc but alot claim fiddling going on is by "our own" (however you want to interpret that) before we look at others. I know many people living together in council houses claiming the woman lives on her own with the kids etc. People who say theyve got a bad back and never worked in the 14 years Ive known them yet works underneath his campervan every other weekend....

You cant blame people for taking advantage of what we've shown them in the first place

Jamz3k

i actually just like stirring the pot Davegtt cus I love reading the replies of fools on the forum.

jacrobat

You should be blaming British, white, straight, middle class men for the banking crisis and recession then. They have accomplished more destruction to the 'British way of Life' (whatever that is) in the last couple of years than all of the johnny foreigners. I did not see any black men, women, camp men, Indians etc either on the Treasury Select Committee or appearing before it the other day.

davegtt

Fair enough, but I guess it depends who you are classing as fools as I bet most people here will be pointing at different people saying theyre the fool

CrisPDuk

The hypocrisy to be found on this site at times staggers me

I've lived and/or worked in a fair few different places over the past 15 years, and the one thing I've noticed is that we the British are far and away the worst for forming little enclaves in other countries I've lost count of the number expat Brits (English, Welsh and Scots)I've met on my travels who are proud of the fact that they've lived there for x many years and still don't speak even one word of the local language

BTW I'm curious too, how many of you would even have noticed or cared if that Subway had said they were thinking of introducing Kosher meat

jacrobat

Men have brains? News to me as we all seem to think with our dicks

f1_fan

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Post 20 - double standards on SN?? Surely not

Jamz3k

But who is more the fool? you cannot have a sensible argument with someone who has no sense of reasoning especially over the internet. Thats why i love all these hot topics

CrisPDuk

Bugger :

And I read through it first too

fatherpierre

Halal or not; subway's 'food' is disgusting and I wouldn't eat it anyway!

It's just overly salted, processed crap in low quality bread.

Jamz3k

I think the real fact of the matter is the UK is a multi-cultural nation whether you like it or not. I actually don't to a degree like it but i can live with it and tolerate it.

I tolerated smoking and non smoking sections in restaurants so i can certainly accept halal meat. What i can't accept is having halal meat and not having pork in a multi-cultural establishment. And if i was Subway I would revoke there franchise rights.

Boro

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As has been said already, its bad enough they serve up halal at the expense of ham, bacon, pork.

f1_fan

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Hey that wasn't a crit, just glad you see it the same way