Jamz3k

this is a British Forum for British People, we want no trouble here.

scoobynutta555

I have read the thread, hence the post.

OllyK

If I was moving to another country on a permanent basis, I'd make damn sure I could speak and read the language to a reasonable level before I set off, wouldn't you?

KiwiGTI

How on earth did Britain become one of the most powerful empires on earth and win WW2?

Certainly not with the help of the sort of limp-wristed, hypocritical PC types that are posting on this thread.

Slitting an animals throat is humane, and what Muslims (and Jews) do for Halal or Kosher meat is what everyone has been doing since humans started eating meat.

Martin2005

Well I'm British, but rarely like or do any of this...so where does that leave me then?

Luan Pra bang

Why don't you read the link that was posted on this thread about Halal then ? If you are that excited about halal its only natural that you would try to find out exactly how halal and kosher meat is different from any other. I would also assume that those so passionate about animal welfare boycott danish and french bacon due to their illegal use of factory farming.
It does seem a little obvious that peoples reactions are based on a specific Muslim hatred rather than animal welfare.

Jamz3k

a communist?

Jamz3k

you have to ask Why or Where this hatred has come from do you not?

Martin2005

A. When exactly was Britain great?
B. If you live here and refuse to change or except change, don't be surprised if you get left behind
C. As above - particularly relevant to people who feel the need to use that kind of sentiment when describing what others should do, they cannot hope to be of any use to fixing this countries problems, as they live in a delusion, a world that no longer exists.
D. Agreed

The Zohan

The only reason is it, nothing to do with some ethinic groups who have settled here in the UK and in some cases not bothered to intergrate. Not bothered to learn the language, not fussed about the laws if in conflict with their beliefs and culture.


Where do you get your facts from? why is your reason the only reason. You appear to write with such conviction, lets se it backed it up!

Try this for size, a little extreme maybe, i know it is from the Mail and Torygraph, does it make the facts any less true.
80 foreign murderers welcomed to Britain: Albanian killers allowed to stay despite being on Interpol 'wanted' list | Mail Online

and

400 foreign criminals allowed to stay in Britain - Telegraph


Should we embrace these people? how can we trust who or what is being allowed into the UK.

Luan Pra bang

Yeah but you come from a nation that castrates sheep with no anasthetic. Here you have to gently stroke an animal relax it, tell it a bedtime story , give it a EU court of human rights apeal option then stun it then kill it. Its a shame that we did not give any of those rights to Iraqi civilians when we bombed them back to the dark ages, or a shame that the children shot at close range by the IDF in gaza don't have those options. We can get excited about how a cow is killed but don't care when our leaders help to murder innocent people.

davegtt

Lots of hypocricy in this thread. One minute theyre minorities, next theyre everywhere and taking over, you hear them on every corner speaking all sorts of different languages.

Just because you hear a Polish person speaking Polish to another Polish person does not mean they dont speak English. Serious, how many of you are so petty that you have to have a pop at another race of people just because theyre not British and their culture is slightly different.

Theres some seriously sad pathetic people here, Im glad I dont have to mix in your circles.

Tel, what radical changes have you had to inccur? I cant tell if your post is tongue in cheek or not. Nobody asked whether we wanted this, whats this exactly? Meat of other methods to sell to another set of people which effects you in no way what so ever, other than the odd resteraunts that are not selling bacon etc... ?

The Trooper 1815

iTrader: (31)

Didn't Watchdog or some such programme discover Pork in loads of Kebbab meat?

May have been mentioned already but don't have time to read the whole thread.

fatherpierre

LOL at this thread.

All this because some scuzzy trash food shop wants to sell a certain type of crap that has bits of flesh/fat/eye/arsehole in it that were killed a certain way

Martin2005

OK Paul, you are of course right the word 'only' is a bit absolutist (and not really my style) so lose that word and my post is accurate

We have a vicous cycle of intollerance in this country, we have the 'they should integrate or **** off crowd, (so well represented on here). And an alienated 2nd and 3rd generation immigrant population (who cannot **** off very easily given that they are British), who will not intergrate into a society on our terms.

Of course there is a lot of nonsense talked about on this issue, Muslim immigration into the UK is tiny compared to others, and the overall Muslim population in the UK hasn't grown signifcantly in the past 30 years - but I suppose there are fewer soundbites that can be used against other groups.

davegtt

Yes, as do the majority of speakers of most nations who move here, the argument that says otherwise is a weak pathetic one from small minded idiots who cant raise any other argument for their pathetic prejudice. If they want to argue it, give me some figures and facts to back up how many foreign workers are in the UK and how many dont speak English. Then I might take them seriously.

CrisPDuk

I do find it strange how none of the racist fcukwits ever spoke up all the while traditional 'British' eating establishments were being driven to the wall by the aggressive marketing techniques of the likes of McDonalds, Burger King, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Pizza Hut, Dominos, and ironically Subway

I wonder how many of them have these sort of rants whilst enjoying a meal at their local curry house, or Chinese restaurant, too


What's all the fuss about anyway, Subway food is overpriced, nasty, processed, rubbish

Martin2005

And another thing; you can pretty damn certain that there are far more 'white British' that fail to intergrate into society, cause trouble and general add nothing to society, than from any or all ethnic groups

davegtt

jacrobat

You put a Yorkshireman and a Lancastrian in a room and try and get them to agree how to cook chips (the famous oil versus lard debate) and they would never agree; let alone on anything else.

The Zohan

Yes, of course people should integrate or **** off - that is basic common sense. If people integrate, learn the language, customs become part of the existing communities then that is for their benefit. They can and should also contribute culture, etc to the existing communities
Otherwise you end up with what we have now - mistrust and issues what will never go away and only get worse. It also empowers the right wing and is the best recruiting sergeant they could ever wish for which cannot be good for anyone.

Are you really suggesting that people come here, do not integrate and do their own thing eve of at odds with the indigenous population?

Please produce the stats re Muslim immigration only being a small proportion, I would be interested to see these.

I have lived in a Muslim country, i started to learn the language, accepted the laws and customs, as did my family. We also did our own thing as long as it did not conflict. I settled into mixed communities and made friends from within. Arab, Indian, Pakistani, German, South African, etc. If it had caused problems, not fitted in or broke the rules then i would have risked jail and deportation which seems pretty fair to me.

The issues are far wider that Muslim immigration as well and it is not just about Muslims - it is about anybody wishing to come to the UK and settle

fatherpierre

Beer and football is now Sat and Sun, not just Sat.

Praise > < insert your choice lol

Luan Pra bang

Mostly related to propaganda in my opinion. The wave of hysteria whipped up to justify Americas conquest of Iraq and Afganistan has made people think its OK to hate Muslims. The tabloid press seem to deliberately stir it up as much as possible. The fact that there are now 1-2 million million Muslims in the UK also worries people who do not know that there have been Muslims in the UK for 100's of years. The first Mosque was built in 1860 and Offa the 8 th century king of one of the Anglo saxon kingdoms had coins made with Islamic inscriptions. Try to do that now and people would go mental about how Muslims were taking over.

Jamz3k

i don't even like football but i accept that, this is how life is in the UK.

davegtt

Wasnt always like this though. Women didnt go off on one when men started going to the pub all weekend to watch the football, but then, they still had their chains on

Things change, always have and always will, just some people cant accept that, instead they have to cry that their little circle is being broken and a new friend is joining the group.

Luan Pra bang

I do agree that Immigrants need to learn English and respect Englih culture but in the main I think that they do. I also think that some aspects of English culture like shouting Paki and kicking the owner of your local corner shop in the head are not really worth respecting.

fatherpierre

But above all......

Subway food is still horrible and always will be - that won't change!

jacrobat

Or being a dad at 13

Jamz3k

i don't think anyone with half a brain believes any of the propaganda. I have been unfortunate in life as to have worked in retail since i was 13 so meet a varied mixture of people. I base my opinions a bit like how opinion poles of the nation are done, i meet x amount of people from different races and religions and base my assumptions on that.

I have met some very disagreeable people from pakistan so i have quite a bad impression on them as a whole on the complete opposite side of the fence i think the Polish are great people, good fun and generally very similar the local people in my area and are very polite. Fav nation at the mo would have to be the Russians they are NUTS

jacrobat

There is a Greek saying that the man is the head of the house and the woman is the neck and she can turn the head any way she wants to.