StickyMicky

As much as i feel i should side with the "we are british" lot

to be perfectly honest, i dont give a flying monkeys on which way the animal is killed, if you are going to eat an animal, you should not have "feelings" for it before you eat it (that`s just fooken weird!)

i do feel that we are as a nation losing the "britishness" due to what feels like constant eroding of our "ways" but how to kill a cow is not really one of them.

i WILL be pissed if somehow bacon sarnies are banned

my only real experiance so far with this halal nonsense was when one of my regular customers was in the local papershop, they also sell home prepared sarnies in a morning, and 2 of the "chaps" from the local imigrant hand car wash came in and said this

"here mate! you got any halal sarnies or what?"

local taxi driver said this

"who the **** do you think you are, this is palmersville not pakistan, **** off"


this bloke is know to be a bit "abrupt" with "others" mind

jacrobat

The figures came from here :-

Officials think UK's Muslim population has risen to 2m | World news | The Guardian

jacrobat

So even at 5 million that would make the other 92% of the population non-Muslim.

Timwinner

iTrader: (3)

I do choose to minimise the suffering of animals by doing everything in my power to avoid eating animals or using animal bi-products.

I am realistic about what I can achieve, and I do everything in my power to avoid where possible.

If you find me wanting to do what I can to boycott meat then thats a problem you have rather than one I have.
If you want to minimise suffering then dont eat meat, If you eat meat then dont complain about how it gets on your plate, as the life obviously wasnt that important to you in the first place.

This thread isnt about my beliefs, its about a two bit sandwhich shop exercising it right to sell whatever it wants it line with laws and trading standards.

I dont want this to go of the "is eating meat wrong" route as I feel thats an individual choice and one that I dont need to defend on a forum.

chris1scouser

this thread has turned into a pretty intense discussion.
Call Kilroy Silk and get it on the TV.
Eat a Sub if you wish its still crap Halal or not.

finalzero

Hypocritical views imo...

If the food was 'Kosher' would everyone protest and say it's not fair or british?

I seriously doubt it - just more muslim bashing at any oppertunity. Sadly when everyone has been locked up in concentration camps and Islam as a religion is banned totally the public will find the next thing to hate.. like people who think french cars and politicians

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Me too, if they even dare swap the bacon and sausage in my breakfast sub for any "substitute" meats, it will be the last time I eat in subway.

Beef sausages are dire and Turkey is the most bland and tasteless meat next to chicken.

fivetide

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Dave first off, i haven't had a go at you personally at all so wind your neck in a bit eh? If you can't have a debate without resorting to childish insults about the quality of writing then you have an issue. For your information i don't have time to spell check everything.

Those examples are poor. The French one is clearly at Waterloo where you would expect it because of Eurostar. In the same way i would expect "Drive on the right" at Calais.

What i would not expect is there to be signs for 'centre ville' in other languages at some remote french outpost. I would expect tourist info to be in other languages as i would expect a bit of help with menus.

However, and as i already pointed out when you mentioned menus before, we are talking here about official government forms not tourist flyers or temporary notices for attractions which is what you have flagged up.

Neither are comparable so neither count. Feel free to try again.

It is this sort of apologist attitude which has caused the problems within this country. Not just for this but many other "it isn't their fault" type things. Bleeding heart liberalism at its finest.

I also have Polish people i know. In fact i had two round the house earlier in the week. You know what? When one wanted to explain something to the other one he asked if it was ok for him to tell him in Polish. I was quite happy for him to do so but thought it was good he was polite enough to ask.

Again, by not doing that i feel they are only refusing to integrate. Perhaps we should try to learn all these other languages dave? Would that make it better? Or... potential shocker... why don't we integrate all communities around one shared language so that they can all communicate with each other? Chinese, Indian, Polish the lot? Would that not be better? How can you have true integration if you pander to the needs of one specific communitiy as per the railway sign?? Specific question for you.


You are arguing without knowledge then. Dangerous thing. You already questioned the existance of dual language signs and were shown to be wrong. You really should come to thse things armed with some understanding.

Schools overwhelmed as 1 in 5 speak English as second language| News | This is London

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davegtt

Firstly, maybe its you who should wind your neck in. If you took time to read what I put, I included myself in the statement, it was not a bash at your own English

Secondly, why are they poor examples? What about the Italian sign? Why no bashing of that? Sure, touristy places, as I said I agree. Many Government forms can be filled in, in other languages in many places. Maybe, like you said earlier, France is the only one who doesnt, but we all know theyre well known for their arrogance too Maybe you have French blood

Apologist attitude? What are you talking about? Im not saying we should learn another language, that has nothing to do with it. Your point of having Polish people around the house is fine, understood. My point was its his bloody place of residence, hes not just visiting me, hes lived in that house over a year. If he wants to use his native language when talking to another Polish person, I have no issue with that and I dont see why anyone else should.

Point me in the direction of evidence that people refuse to integrate? They drink our beer in our pubs, speak English when spoken too (politely off course). Christ, you had Poles, being polite, in your house, speaking English, and you tell me theyre not trying to integrate? I think someone is just looking for something to complain about for the sake of it now.

Who is arguing about knowledge? Did I say that? I specifically asked for links to back your arguments otherwise Id ignore them.

The link you gave me is a. About London, not the UK as a whole. b. The stat is one in 5 pupils in primary schools now come from ethnic minorities. (Not dont speak English, as per your original argument, but now changing to English is a second language)

fivetide

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Dave, i don't have time to play pedantic games with you. Good luck with whatever language you are eventually forced to speak.



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davegtt

Fine, you was the one using a patronising tone.

Good luck in your quest for a perfect Britain.

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Dont go in Subway, its horrible anyway !

Harryr34

iTrader: (9)

Totally agree, another scoobynet bu*****t thread

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Yes:

Pork is my favourite meat. Me not be able to have a bacon and sausage sub is restricting my rights to eat pork products from Subway.



If it was a McDavids I wouldn't mind: its a Israeli fast food outlet!

KiwiGTI

While I'm sure that these companies engage in aggressive and sometimes underhand techniques to increase their market-share, the fact is that the British public allow them to.

For example, cities like Melbourne, New York, Sydney all have the big chains, but equally they have a large restaurant/cafe/bar culture that the people support and use. Look at the way the UK has adapted Starbucks stores, they are like a cancer serving pretty average and expensive beverages, yet in Australia they have had to close most of their stores as they couldn't compete against real coffee culture. The only people using them are Asian students and tourists.

So much of what is wrong in Britain is the fault of the British themselves embracing consumerism, in many ways they are much more materialistic and consumer focussed that the US.

Turbohot

I had a discussion about this "Halal" business with my Muslim mate today. What he said was that "Halal" or "Jhatka", makes no difference. I said "Damn right NOT!, it does! If I cut your throat slowly, and make you cry your eyes out with agony, until you finally snuff it, how would you like it?" He said "Oh, give in! How do you know whether stunned, shot, and "beheaded with one, mighty stroke" creatures don't feel any pain; just because the can't scream? Idiot! "

I was offended, but It did make me laugh

Diesel

Maybe you haven't noted a couple of my other posts here over the years, but I can assure you I NEVER buy French or Danish (or indeed foreign) meat as I care far more for the animals that feed me than the profits of those that care to exploit them and make them suffer for their short term gain.

Halal clearly increases the suffering to animals - they probably didn't HAVE electricity when the Qu'ran was written after all:Whatev er_

Compassion should always rule above primitive dogma (whatever the religion).

D

Turbohot

Ok. A bit of information for you all.

Most (or perhaps all of it!) lamb for NewZealand is Halal, and you can't do anything about it.

Go on, give up eating NZ lamb, people!

Diesel

'For' or 'from'?

If you mean 'from', then again JUST BUY BRITISH. We do seem to be the last nation on earth that gives a sh about compassion in farming and minimising the 'bad end'... Very sad - esp if you have 4 legs

D

Turbohot

I meant "for"; as I said.

I do have two legs, thankfully. So, I should be ok, I think

Odds on

Damn, you've a point there!

How's my Argentinian Steak? Am I still ok to eat that??..

Diesel

I love these 'cultural' and 'linguistic' discussions

Can I 1,000,000% assure you that the newfound presence of a monoglot English person (of little significance) in a Welsh country pub does not change the natural communication medium of a local community. HOW many times have I heard this BS story???

I once went to a pub in Luang Prabang, and the b's immediately started speaking Laotian. Rude heathans!!!

D

Turbohot

I seriously DO NOT know, Oddie. Silly me

I nearly "halalled" my Muslim mate for calling me an "idiot" for sure, though

Oh, don't eat Mexican beef, EVER! I saw it on telly that they dig a sharp nail in cows' head to kill them The cows are like fish out fo water with agony, before they finally lose senses. It's so horrific! It really put me off eating Mexican beef for sure.

Diesel

Hey chicken legs - we EXPORT lamb to NZ? Ships cross in the Pacific??? D

zip106

NZ lamb is still stunned prior to it's Halal death.
As long as it's still actually alive (i.e. unconscious) then it will still be Halal.

Diesel

Mate, can you explain that more - cos I think you are fooken weird to be so callous, dark and compassion less . What made you that way? Why cant you care about something else's quality of life - yes - even if it is ultimately 'food'? That worries me - wouldn't want to be in the same pub as you in a grump!!!! You prefer suffering to an interest in minimising it???

D

Odds on

Their name please? I will keep an eye on the menu in Subways if you do it!!

Turbohot

H_qr_m.

Just don't eat it it may give you a madder disease than the mad cow disease. He is mad, and about double the age than mine (75 odd), and maried to a British white woman with two solicitor kids of my age. I respect his progressive attitude, and his way of taking a p!ss

Odds on

I also respect, yet worry about, your progressive attitude!

Turbohot

Why? What's wrong with it? Go on! Spell it owt!