Halal Meat - Subway
14 February 2009, 08:37 PM
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I don't think I have ever infracted you, if you are one of the three people I have infracted then I would definately have let you know about it at the time. I have no idea of who you are or wether or not I have debated with you in the past so I think you are a bit paranoid. As for outsiders you can drink get pissed and do all sorts in Morocco so there is plenty you can do that is 'not their way' spitting is rude full stop. I found Tunisians Algerians Iranians and Egytptians all nicer people than Moroccans but I guess it depends on who you meet.
15 February 2009, 01:29 AM
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I'm sure this thread was about sandwiches...... 
If you don't like it then don't eat it.
Last nighT I went to an all you can eat restaurn at which serves Italian, Indian, Chinese, Thai, Mexican and European food. No-one in there was asking where the food came from.
Surely if you are hungry, you will eat what is available. I don't go to vegetarian restaurants simply as I enjoy eating meat, but that doesn't mean I will call for everyone to boycott that establishment.
As for wanting clean meat, then you have to raise it and kill it yourself so you know it's pure. From working in the licenced trade I can tell you that there is a lot of dirty food that is served - and not just meat.
If you don't like it then don't eat it.
Last nighT I went to an all you can eat restaurn at which serves Italian, Indian, Chinese, Thai, Mexican and European food. No-one in there was asking where the food came from.Surely if you are hungry, you will eat what is available. I don't go to vegetarian restaurants simply as I enjoy eating meat, but that doesn't mean I will call for everyone to boycott that establishment.
As for wanting clean meat, then you have to raise it and kill it yourself so you know it's pure. From working in the licenced trade I can tell you that there is a lot of dirty food that is served - and not just meat.
15 February 2009, 02:03 AM
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You bunch of softies. The anmials welfare? You are killing it for food. Just get on with it. If you were trapped on a desert island would you not kill a pig for food because you cant bolt it?
Get over yourselves, have some for of tollerance. Its not like it effects you does it? Halal meat is and will be produced. Just because Subway will do it too does not make them bad people.
Get over yourselves, have some for of tollerance. Its not like it effects you does it? Halal meat is and will be produced. Just because Subway will do it too does not make them bad people.
PS: didnt know there is halal pig nowadays
16 February 2009, 11:18 AM
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I wasnt saying you can get a Pig in Halal form. My point was more about people saying its a cruel way of killing an animal. Was just an example, I do know they dont eat pork so er:
16 February 2009, 11:24 AM
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Actually some muslims do eat pork....some muslims in Turkey hunt boar and eat it. Despite what it says in the Koran, they are convinced they are right and good muslims.
16 February 2009, 11:41 AM
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Mate, can you explain that more - cos I think you are fooken weird to be so callous, dark and compassion less . What made you that way? Why cant you care about something else's quality of life - yes - even if it is ultimately 'food'? That worries me - wouldn't want to be in the same pub as you in a grump!!!! You prefer suffering to an interest in minimising it???
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16 February 2009, 12:24 PM
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a life is a life, and us as humans are made to eat meat. god or what ever you belive in has made us more superior to animals full stop... but regardless we must respect and treat animals in a good proper manner, if we are to take a life we must take it and make sure to put the animal under minmal stress.
in regards to the turks eating wild boar good for them to us practising muslims we dont eat pork full stop im not god so i cant JUDGE them.its like easter all my greek friends on easter day all dress up and go to the churches with there famalies and i have some cathloic and protestant friends who dont bother going to church on easter. its down to choice i dont know what the christain religons views on that, but its courses for horses i guess.
in regards to the turks eating wild boar good for them to us practising muslims we dont eat pork full stop im not god so i cant JUDGE them.its like easter all my greek friends on easter day all dress up and go to the churches with there famalies and i have some cathloic and protestant friends who dont bother going to church on easter. its down to choice i dont know what the christain religons views on that, but its courses for horses i guess.
16 February 2009, 12:34 PM
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I just find the whole religion and food restrictions amusing, the rest of the world changes, we find out what is good and bad for us yet the old rules stay the same, two thousand plus years millions of people dont eat Pork, dont eat meat and milk in the same meal etc etc
So people existed for millions of years and evolved eating Pork and having some milk at the same time, then it was decided that this was wrong, millions of others went along quite happily doing it as they always had.
Beleivers would rather die than eat Pork (or other rule based restriction) and we have to acomodate them because it is their belief, its not their belief, it is what they have been conditioned and told to do and continue to do because they risk being ostracised if they go against it, if it was their beleif they would have come up with something different like thou shalt not eat Pot Noodle on the Sabbath, there is no negotiation, it never moves on, thats just how it is, not just the Muslims, Christians, jews etc all do it, slavishly follow a set of rules that are the one true set of rules that we all must live by, oh but the next lot have a different set that are correct, I wonder how many followers actually think this is all bollocks ?
Follow what you want, beleive what you want but dont expect the rest of the population to really give a toss, we may humour your little idyosyncracies to a certain point but people soon get p1ssed off when dictated to or pontificated at.
I can respect vegatarians, as for one reason or another they have made that personal decision, its not based on the whim of someone writing a book a few thousand years ago.
So people existed for millions of years and evolved eating Pork and having some milk at the same time, then it was decided that this was wrong, millions of others went along quite happily doing it as they always had.
Beleivers would rather die than eat Pork (or other rule based restriction) and we have to acomodate them because it is their belief, its not their belief, it is what they have been conditioned and told to do and continue to do because they risk being ostracised if they go against it, if it was their beleif they would have come up with something different like thou shalt not eat Pot Noodle on the Sabbath, there is no negotiation, it never moves on, thats just how it is, not just the Muslims, Christians, jews etc all do it, slavishly follow a set of rules that are the one true set of rules that we all must live by, oh but the next lot have a different set that are correct, I wonder how many followers actually think this is all bollocks ?
Follow what you want, beleive what you want but dont expect the rest of the population to really give a toss, we may humour your little idyosyncracies to a certain point but people soon get p1ssed off when dictated to or pontificated at.
I can respect vegatarians, as for one reason or another they have made that personal decision, its not based on the whim of someone writing a book a few thousand years ago.
16 February 2009, 12:43 PM
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This thread and the topic in question is misleading, had it read:
All Subways outlets to now serve only Halal meat
Then yeah, you would have an arguement but it doesn't quite say that. The fact that someone is serving halal meat in a Subway outlet doesn't really warrant the crap being banded about.
Someone could open a halal Subway next to a regular Subway, would that still be offensive or is this the same pot of **** stirring again and peoples slightly tilted racial and religious views are cropping up?
Personally I don't give a ****, everyone is entitled to eat what they like and that goes for people who want halal meat.
All Subways outlets to now serve only Halal meat
Then yeah, you would have an arguement but it doesn't quite say that. The fact that someone is serving halal meat in a Subway outlet doesn't really warrant the crap being banded about.
Someone could open a halal Subway next to a regular Subway, would that still be offensive or is this the same pot of **** stirring again and peoples slightly tilted racial and religious views are cropping up?
Personally I don't give a ****, everyone is entitled to eat what they like and that goes for people who want halal meat.
16 February 2009, 01:39 PM
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im sorry to go of topic but when ever something is written about war,food etc the scooby bandwagon come out along with the same usual suspects who hate muslims for whatever reason. im MUSLIM and im just giving my opinion thanks to the media islam isnt the most liked religon out there by a country mile. but if islam was so bad. it really wouldnt bE the fatest growing religon in the world and its not a book written by man J4CKO, 80% OF THE QURAN IS SCIENTIFICLY PROVEN TO BE CORRECT. I respect all other religons and beliefs that why if you read all my posts you will never hear me slating in other religon. anyway everyone is entiteld to there own opinions
once again sorry to go of topic.....
once again sorry to go of topic.....
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16 February 2009, 01:41 PM
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im sorry to go of topic but when ever something is written about war,food etc the scooby bandwagon come out along with the same usual suspects who hate muslims for whatever reason. im MUSLIM and im just giving my opinion thanks to the media islam isnt the most liked religon out there by a country mile. but if islam was so bad. it really wouldnt bE the fatest growing religon in the world and its not a book written by man J4CKO, 80% OF THE QURAN IS SCIENTIFICLY PROVEN TO BE CORRECT. I respect all other religons and beliefs that why if you read all my posts you will never hear me slating in other religon.
once again sorry to go of topic.....
once again sorry to go of topic.....
The scientists will be getting there text books out right now.
16 February 2009, 01:45 PM
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im just giving my opinion thanks to the media islam isnt the most liked religon out there by a country mile. but if islam was so bad. it really wouldnt bE the fatest growing religon in the world and its not a book written by man J4CKO, 80% OF THE QURAN IS SCIENTIFICLY PROVEN TO BE CORRECT.
16 February 2009, 01:47 PM
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note..
please lets try and keep it friendly and useful
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16 February 2009, 01:47 PM
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Islam holds that the Qur’an was revealed to Muhammad by the angel Jibrīl (Gabriel) from 610 CE to his death in 632 CE.
16 February 2009, 01:53 PM
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**** everything .. subway ONLY wants to have more customers, like every other business....
every thread having a small hint of foreigners, muslims, illegal immigrants, etc keep going on forever....
.. subway ONLY wants to have more customers, like every other business.... every thread having a small hint of foreigners, muslims, illegal immigrants, etc keep going on forever....
16 February 2009, 01:57 PM
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Islam is not a religion anyway but is a dangerous cult that promotes hate and violence, could someone like to explain these verses that are found in the Quran
Not something you want your kids reading is it?
Don't get me wrong, the Bible is just as bad, it is not limited to this religion.
All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die
Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire
Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars
Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them
If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant
Christians will be burned in the Fire
The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers
If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom
Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway
Disbelievers will be tormented in this life, and suffer even more pain in the Hereafter
Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined?
Allah will tear Christians apart for ascribing partners to him
Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my partners that you used to believe in?
On the Last Day good Muslims will not love their non-Muslim friends and family members, not even their fathers, sons, or brothers (or their mothers, daughters, or sisters)
Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire
Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars
Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them
If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant
Christians will be burned in the Fire
The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers
If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom
Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway
Disbelievers will be tormented in this life, and suffer even more pain in the Hereafter
Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined?
Allah will tear Christians apart for ascribing partners to him
Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my partners that you used to believe in?
On the Last Day good Muslims will not love their non-Muslim friends and family members, not even their fathers, sons, or brothers (or their mothers, daughters, or sisters)
Don't get me wrong, the Bible is just as bad, it is not limited to this religion.
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16 February 2009, 02:05 PM
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I just find the whole religion and food restrictions amusing, the rest of the world changes, we find out what is good and bad for us yet the old rules stay the same, two thousand plus years millions of people dont eat Pork, dont eat meat and milk in the same meal etc etc
So people existed for millions of years and evolved eating Pork and having some milk at the same time, then it was decided that this was wrong, millions of others went along quite happily doing it as they always had.
Beleivers would rather die than eat Pork (or other rule based restriction) and we have to acomodate them because it is their belief, its not their belief, it is what they have been conditioned and told to do and continue to do because they risk being ostracised if they go against it, if it was their beleif they would have come up with something different like thou shalt not eat Pot Noodle on the Sabbath, there is no negotiation, it never moves on, thats just how it is, not just the Muslims, Christians, jews etc all do it, slavishly follow a set of rules that are the one true set of rules that we all must live by, oh but the next lot have a different set that are correct, I wonder how many followers actually think this is all bollocks ?
Follow what you want, beleive what you want but dont expect the rest of the population to really give a toss, we may humour your little idyosyncracies to a certain point but people soon get p1ssed off when dictated to or pontificated at.
I can respect vegatarians, as for one reason or another they have made that personal decision, its not based on the whim of someone writing a book a few thousand years ago.
So people existed for millions of years and evolved eating Pork and having some milk at the same time, then it was decided that this was wrong, millions of others went along quite happily doing it as they always had.
Beleivers would rather die than eat Pork (or other rule based restriction) and we have to acomodate them because it is their belief, its not their belief, it is what they have been conditioned and told to do and continue to do because they risk being ostracised if they go against it, if it was their beleif they would have come up with something different like thou shalt not eat Pot Noodle on the Sabbath, there is no negotiation, it never moves on, thats just how it is, not just the Muslims, Christians, jews etc all do it, slavishly follow a set of rules that are the one true set of rules that we all must live by, oh but the next lot have a different set that are correct, I wonder how many followers actually think this is all bollocks ?
Follow what you want, beleive what you want but dont expect the rest of the population to really give a toss, we may humour your little idyosyncracies to a certain point but people soon get p1ssed off when dictated to or pontificated at.
I can respect vegatarians, as for one reason or another they have made that personal decision, its not based on the whim of someone writing a book a few thousand years ago.
If you read the original post again properly, nobody is forcing or demanding that anybody does anything
One particular Subway put a sign up canvassing opinion as to whether there would be a market for Halal sandwich fillings
I don't know about the rest of you, but that to me is a shining example of a free market economy in action
Spot which step probably wasn't in the original action plan though
Shopkeeper perceives opportunity to increase sales,
Shopkeeper conducts customer survey to verify that perception,
Shopkeeper starts 3rd World War on internet because a bunch of redneck muppets on a car forum can't read properly
16 February 2009, 02:11 PM
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Islam is not a religion anyway but is a dangerous cult that promotes hate and violence, could someone like to explain these verses that are found in the Quran
Not something you want your kids reading is it?
Don't get me wrong, the Bible is just as bad, it is not limited to this religion.
Not something you want your kids reading is it?
Don't get me wrong, the Bible is just as bad, it is not limited to this religion.
And the difference between Islam & Christianity is
Remember, it was Christians who spent a large portion of the Middle Ages murdering, raping and pillaging their way across the Middle East. There are some that would say the current resurgence of Islam is merely Karma
16 February 2009, 02:18 PM
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Islam is not a religion anyway but is a dangerous cult that promotes hate and violence, could someone like to explain these verses that are found in the Quran
Not something you want your kids reading is it?
Don't get me wrong, the Bible is just as bad, it is not limited to this religion.
Not something you want your kids reading is it?
Don't get me wrong, the Bible is just as bad, it is not limited to this religion.
16 February 2009, 02:23 PM
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How do you interpret it?
16 February 2009, 02:34 PM
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Islam is not a religion anyway but is a dangerous cult that promotes hate and violence, could someone like to explain these verses that are found in the Quran
Not something you want your kids reading is it?
Don't get me wrong, the Bible is just as bad, it is not limited to this religion.
Not something you want your kids reading is it?
Don't get me wrong, the Bible is just as bad, it is not limited to this religion.
LOL thats so funny that not the quran where did you get that information from dude its quite funny how much crap on the net
yes the quran states non belivers of god will burn in hell, the word islam means submission to god so you could be jewish or christian and still go to heven. the main thing is that you belive one god
16 February 2009, 02:46 PM
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For a start, the Qu'ran itself does not differentiate between Muslims & Christians, as Mus1st says the distinction is between Believers & Non-Believers
Given half an hour, the same can be done with either The Bible or The Torah
Anyway, this thread is about one branch of an American based franchise, asking it's customers whether they'd prefer a different menu selection. Why the **** do you even feel need to post that rubbish
16 February 2009, 02:52 PM
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For a start, the Qu'ran itself does not differentiate between Muslims & Christians, as Mus1st says the distinction is between Believers & Non-Believers
Given half an hour, the same can be done with either The Bible or The Torah
Anyway, this thread is about one branch of an American based franchise, asking it's customers whether they'd prefer a different menu selection. Why the **** do you even feel need to post that rubbish
Given half an hour, the same can be done with either The Bible or The Torah
Anyway, this thread is about one branch of an American based franchise, asking it's customers whether they'd prefer a different menu selection. Why the **** do you even feel need to post that rubbish
lol thanks for clearing that up for me matey, but i dont think he knew the diffrence i think his actuley making a genuine enquiry
wel i hope so any way lol
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ive just read all of this, and im amused that on every other forum ive been on....when the subject of islam/religion/halal/muslims comes up...
the hatred from "certain" people (not everybody) pops up....now to me that still says there is racism in this country
thats my opinion so
Lack of knowledge............Lack of understanding
ps: i respect everybody's views/beliefs
just my 2 cents (probably not worth much anyway) but i dont give a sh*t
the hatred from "certain" people (not everybody) pops up....now to me that still says there is racism in this country
thats my opinion so
Lack of knowledge............Lack of understanding
ps: i respect everybody's views/beliefs
just my 2 cents (probably not worth much anyway) but i dont give a sh*t
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sorry im at work now, bit pushed for time but the quran can only really be understood in arabic.. to get its fully meaning due to arabic being such a complex language.. and there being loads of words for the same thing..
also theres then the understanding of the words... you could say one thing in arbaic and it can have a literal meaning.. then you can say the same word but take the islamic meaning and another word which is what is cmmon among the people of that time..
for example the prophet (saw) used the word 'salaah' when talking to his companions at one time.. salaah means prayer as in what a muslim does 5 times a day.. but in this context he didnt mean it like that, he meant it as 'dua' where you raise your hands and ask god for something..and his companions understood that due to them knowing the language.. dont think wed be able to differentiate with an english translation
anyway enough about the arabic language .. you need to take the context, you have no references with your post.. and they are lines taken here and there.. its not like one or two paragraphs youve taken out.. youve taken a line from different pages..
youve got to understand the quran is a complex book.. it cannot be interpretated on its own by yourself.. they are 3 groups or areas of sort which you can put the understanding into..
the first being the bits that everybody can understand and interpratate, these are the general stuff such as about heaven and hell
the second are bits that need further understanding which is why you use the sayins of the prophet (saw) to help you understand these bits further.. such as the way muslims pray.. it says we should pray in the quran, but nowhere does it tell us how to pray in the quran.. thats in the sayings of the prophet.
and the third bit are the complex parts of the quran.. those pertaining to laws such as halal and haraam and inheritance etc, these are left to be interpretated by thiose with knowledge who have spent years learnign the language and the sayings of the prophet and put them into context i.e. the scholars of islam..
just like you cant pick up a book and do a heart transplant.. you leave it to the specialists, thats what you do with some areas of the quran, you get the specialists to explain..
(i am not one btw before you say llol)
i mean even those companions of the prophet who knew arabic at the time didnt understand some verses and needed further clarification, so i dont know how we expect ourselves to understand it and be interpretors..
yeah so get the references and find the context that the specific sentence is in, for example you mayfind it is talking about a story at the time of a previous prophet or due to something hapening at the time of the prophet muhammad (saw)
also as for yuor english trnaslation ofsome of the versses there crap too lol ive never ever seen a translation worded in such plain english
havnt read em all but just one quote for example
also theres then the understanding of the words... you could say one thing in arbaic and it can have a literal meaning.. then you can say the same word but take the islamic meaning and another word which is what is cmmon among the people of that time..
for example the prophet (saw) used the word 'salaah' when talking to his companions at one time.. salaah means prayer as in what a muslim does 5 times a day.. but in this context he didnt mean it like that, he meant it as 'dua' where you raise your hands and ask god for something..and his companions understood that due to them knowing the language.. dont think wed be able to differentiate with an english translation
anyway enough about the arabic language .. you need to take the context, you have no references with your post.. and they are lines taken here and there.. its not like one or two paragraphs youve taken out.. youve taken a line from different pages..
youve got to understand the quran is a complex book.. it cannot be interpretated on its own by yourself.. they are 3 groups or areas of sort which you can put the understanding into..
the first being the bits that everybody can understand and interpratate, these are the general stuff such as about heaven and hell
the second are bits that need further understanding which is why you use the sayins of the prophet (saw) to help you understand these bits further.. such as the way muslims pray.. it says we should pray in the quran, but nowhere does it tell us how to pray in the quran.. thats in the sayings of the prophet.
and the third bit are the complex parts of the quran.. those pertaining to laws such as halal and haraam and inheritance etc, these are left to be interpretated by thiose with knowledge who have spent years learnign the language and the sayings of the prophet and put them into context i.e. the scholars of islam..
just like you cant pick up a book and do a heart transplant.. you leave it to the specialists, thats what you do with some areas of the quran, you get the specialists to explain..
(i am not one btw before you say llol)
i mean even those companions of the prophet who knew arabic at the time didnt understand some verses and needed further clarification, so i dont know how we expect ourselves to understand it and be interpretors..
yeah so get the references and find the context that the specific sentence is in, for example you mayfind it is talking about a story at the time of a previous prophet or due to something hapening at the time of the prophet muhammad (saw)
also as for yuor english trnaslation ofsome of the versses there crap too lol ive never ever seen a translation worded in such plain english
havnt read em all but just one quote for example
Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway
16 February 2009, 02:59 PM
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I'm not racist
I'm with Harry Callaghan, I hate everybody equally
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I'm with Harry Callaghan, I hate everybody equally
I'm trying to recall the full list, but can only remember Spics, Wops Coons, Pollacks, Honkies and Wetbacks of the top of my head
I'm of to see if the requisite clip is on YouTube
