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20 February 2009, 02:23 PM
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Chelsea, more directly the Chelsea Cruise, went on for 10-15 years, with stupid speeds, daft stunts, and little action being taken against them.
That was just the cars.
As for the bikes, its only just been stopped after 20-30 years, and only because some apartments were built. Fatal accidents, big wrecks etc... And very few arrests or tickets.
Happens all over the place, thanks for bringing that example to the front of my mind.
20 February 2009, 02:31 PM
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lol @ getting a thumbs down for having an opinion.
Guess someone didnt like my opinion, but didnt have much to say WHY.... Oh lordy lol.
Fivetide, you miss my point. My point being that YES they could go there and nick the guy.......... and then what? Read the rest of my reply, and what happens next, or not as the case may be.
Guess someone didnt like my opinion, but didnt have much to say WHY.... Oh lordy lol.
Fivetide, you miss my point. My point being that YES they could go there and nick the guy.......... and then what? Read the rest of my reply, and what happens next, or not as the case may be.
I don't think either of those are acceptable. Webby has hadf to stand up to this guy due to police in action, suddenly they turn up and have a go at him. I would certianly be annoyed and as i said, commonsense would dictate that if you have ignored the complaints of a concerned citizen and then chosen to listen to someone else as soon as they call then you are not going to be well recieved. Respect works both ways.
For me, the Police should and could have used the same level of resources to go round this blokes place and have the friendly word that i doubt webby was able to have (i do accept he may have done some wrong here).
You never know, they might have found his cars untaxed and uninsured. Easy collar and a problem removed. Sometimes a simple 'we've recieved complaints and we'll be watching' will be enough. Webby clearly isn't fussed if the guy knows who complained either!
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Having read this tread through I can see one clear thing;
All the police (whether in person or on here) have acheived is to inflame this situation further - not disimilar to the scenes show on TV in a town centre on a Saturday night.
Where as a little helpful information and advice may well have helped this chap, instead the police look to 'pick a fight' to wind up an already emotional / wound up person.
I personally believe that the attitude of some people (possibly police but I don't know that for sure) on here is a pretty poor show - not all - but some have shown just why public opinion is so low.
I have had two incidents where the police have had to be involved over the past few years, and both times I have been proved right - we would have been better sorting things ourselves.
Both involved thefts. On one occasion we gave the police the name of the person responsible, a photograph, their registration number and their full postal address - including postcode.
They called round to see him but he was out, so they put a note through the door asking him to contact them......................er hello - this guy had stolen over £1000 worth of kit & he was going to walk into a police station? Even I can work out this is not going to happen.
If the police had time to go round to see this chap, then surely a visit to the muppet driving like a pratt would be in order to, or were they going for the soft option?
All the police (whether in person or on here) have acheived is to inflame this situation further - not disimilar to the scenes show on TV in a town centre on a Saturday night.
Where as a little helpful information and advice may well have helped this chap, instead the police look to 'pick a fight' to wind up an already emotional / wound up person.
I personally believe that the attitude of some people (possibly police but I don't know that for sure) on here is a pretty poor show - not all - but some have shown just why public opinion is so low.
I have had two incidents where the police have had to be involved over the past few years, and both times I have been proved right - we would have been better sorting things ourselves.
Both involved thefts. On one occasion we gave the police the name of the person responsible, a photograph, their registration number and their full postal address - including postcode.
They called round to see him but he was out, so they put a note through the door asking him to contact them......................er hello - this guy had stolen over £1000 worth of kit & he was going to walk into a police station? Even I can work out this is not going to happen.
If the police had time to go round to see this chap, then surely a visit to the muppet driving like a pratt would be in order to, or were they going for the soft option?
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Like I said
"I personally believe that the attitude of some people (possibly police but I don't know that for sure) on here is a pretty poor show - not all - but some have shown just why public opinion is so low."
And unlike some people on hear I don't know which of you are or are not coppers - all I could see was those who clearly are weren't exactly helping the situation or the public opinion of the police!
I am not saying ALL COPPERS are cr*p, but the good ones I have come across all seem to have left the force....
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No mate, not saying that at all actually. I dont recall saying "dont phone the police"
If you bother to read what I have said, I am simply saying, dont blame the police for the limitations of the legal system, and for carrying out the directives they are given by the home office etc.
I have also said that what is happening is wrong, and should be dealt with, but there are again limitations to the things the people can be arrested for, and charged with, so I am sure the police are keen to get them for the right things and make it count.
If you bother to read what I have said, I am simply saying, dont blame the police for the limitations of the legal system, and for carrying out the directives they are given by the home office etc.
I have also said that what is happening is wrong, and should be dealt with, but there are again limitations to the things the people can be arrested for, and charged with, so I am sure the police are keen to get them for the right things and make it count.
No i get it although what you are basically saying is that citizens shouldn't report criome because the person might get off and then they'll know who shopped them and/or the Police shouldn't bother with this menace because a conviction will be hard, instead they should go for a target boosting easy call like busting webby for breach of the peace?
I don't think either of those are acceptable. Webby has hadf to stand up to this guy due to police in action, suddenly they turn up and have a go at him. I would certianly be annoyed and as i said, commonsense would dictate that if you have ignored the complaints of a concerned citizen and then chosen to listen to someone else as soon as they call then you are not going to be well recieved. Respect works both ways.
For me, the Police should and could have used the same level of resources to go round this blokes place and have the friendly word that i doubt webby was able to have (i do accept he may have done some wrong here).
You never know, they might have found his cars untaxed and uninsured. Easy collar and a problem removed. Sometimes a simple 'we've recieved complaints and we'll be watching' will be enough. Webby clearly isn't fussed if the guy knows who complained either!
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I don't think either of those are acceptable. Webby has hadf to stand up to this guy due to police in action, suddenly they turn up and have a go at him. I would certianly be annoyed and as i said, commonsense would dictate that if you have ignored the complaints of a concerned citizen and then chosen to listen to someone else as soon as they call then you are not going to be well recieved. Respect works both ways.
For me, the Police should and could have used the same level of resources to go round this blokes place and have the friendly word that i doubt webby was able to have (i do accept he may have done some wrong here).
You never know, they might have found his cars untaxed and uninsured. Easy collar and a problem removed. Sometimes a simple 'we've recieved complaints and we'll be watching' will be enough. Webby clearly isn't fussed if the guy knows who complained either!
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I see this has got no better over night.
First The image of the number plate.
Its a Surrey police vehicle, it was stuck on by a kid, picture taken and posted on the internet, for the rest of time people can now comment on how 3000 officers "dont care about the public"
Did they catch him
Second
How outrageous a statement would this be.
"I needed some help with my car, I went to the mechanic and he was useless, ALL mechanics are fat stupid uneducated morons who lie about the work your car needs and basically steal off you"
Reminds me of the MET
Stupid right, just because I had a couple of bad experiences with mechanics that fit that above.
Last of all, As I said last night webby PM me if you want some proper legal advice, I will give it to you for free, saving you £300 P/H.
I have often thought if people police bash without having worked as an officer for a few months then they really need to get back into there box. Everyone can have a bad experience with any profession but to tar over 3000 people with that brush is just childish.
Next time i need a policeman ill call a mechanic
If you knew how there hands were tied, if you knew exactly how the law of land is written and how they have to work to that law then you would understand that its the law makers that make life difficult.
If you go up to ANYONE regardless of there job with the attitude "your useless" and you expect the best from them think again.
Police are massively under paid for what they do.
You can think to yourself they sit around and drink coffee the reality is very very different.
I worked in a major uk force for a few years, I had to leave due to injury on duty, an injury that has effected the rest of my life, One that will prevent me from ever being a happy active father. I can tell you the things I saw and the things I had to deal with are over and above anything 90% of the country will ever have to see.
The people that voice opinion about hating the police are the minority, much the same as your boss at work will seldom say "good work" but if you mess up will be the first to shout at you.
No one forced you
Now I will leave my rant here and again say, I will offer proper legal advice for free if you want it webby.
First The image of the number plate.
Its a Surrey police vehicle, it was stuck on by a kid, picture taken and posted on the internet, for the rest of time people can now comment on how 3000 officers "dont care about the public"
Did they catch him
Second
How outrageous a statement would this be.
"I needed some help with my car, I went to the mechanic and he was useless, ALL mechanics are fat stupid uneducated morons who lie about the work your car needs and basically steal off you"
Reminds me of the MET
Stupid right, just because I had a couple of bad experiences with mechanics that fit that above.
Last of all, As I said last night webby PM me if you want some proper legal advice, I will give it to you for free, saving you £300 P/H.
I have often thought if people police bash without having worked as an officer for a few months then they really need to get back into there box. Everyone can have a bad experience with any profession but to tar over 3000 people with that brush is just childish.
Next time i need a policeman ill call a mechanic
If you knew how there hands were tied, if you knew exactly how the law of land is written and how they have to work to that law then you would understand that its the law makers that make life difficult.
If you go up to ANYONE regardless of there job with the attitude "your useless" and you expect the best from them think again.
Police are massively under paid for what they do.
You can think to yourself they sit around and drink coffee the reality is very very different.
I worked in a major uk force for a few years, I had to leave due to injury on duty, an injury that has effected the rest of my life, One that will prevent me from ever being a happy active father. I can tell you the things I saw and the things I had to deal with are over and above anything 90% of the country will ever have to see.
The people that voice opinion about hating the police are the minority, much the same as your boss at work will seldom say "good work" but if you mess up will be the first to shout at you.
No one forced you
Now I will leave my rant here and again say, I will offer proper legal advice for free if you want it webby.
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I heard some cracking news yesterday 
down Newcastle quayside, there is a huge car park known as "Spillers Wharf"
one of the members from this forum started off the "cruise scene" down at this point a long time back, and it was eventually shut down by the police for this main reason
"the people in the luxury flats alongside the car park hate the loud cars and screeching tyres"
fair enough you might think?
seamed reasonable to me, until yesterday when i was told that its going to be used to host some official drift event, lmfao!!
a mate runs a local tuning shop and has already be confirmed to be in attendance with his rolling road
police = say whatever they want half the time
down Newcastle quayside, there is a huge car park known as "Spillers Wharf"
one of the members from this forum started off the "cruise scene" down at this point a long time back, and it was eventually shut down by the police for this main reason
"the people in the luxury flats alongside the car park hate the loud cars and screeching tyres"
fair enough you might think?
seamed reasonable to me, until yesterday when i was told that its going to be used to host some official drift event, lmfao!!
a mate runs a local tuning shop and has already be confirmed to be in attendance with his rolling road
police = say whatever they want half the time
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No mate, not saying that at all actually. I dont recall saying "dont phone the police"
If you bother to read what I have said, I am simply saying, dont blame the police for the limitations of the legal system, and for carrying out the directives they are given by the home office etc.
I have also said that what is happening is wrong, and should be dealt with, but there are again limitations to the things the people can be arrested for, and charged with, so I am sure the police are keen to get them for the right things and make it count.
If you bother to read what I have said, I am simply saying, dont blame the police for the limitations of the legal system, and for carrying out the directives they are given by the home office etc.
I have also said that what is happening is wrong, and should be dealt with, but there are again limitations to the things the people can be arrested for, and charged with, so I am sure the police are keen to get them for the right things and make it count.
I agree with you that the Police can be badly let down by the CPS however in this case they should have used some commonsense and been to see the guy in question about his cars not caution a normally law abiding citizen who had followed all their rules and been ignored forcing him to take matters into his own hands.
Same resource, same time spent just didn't bother visiting the right person when they should have. Police FAIL on this one i'm afraid.
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No mate, not saying that at all actually. I dont recall saying "dont phone the police"
If you bother to read what I have said, I am simply saying, dont blame the police for the limitations of the legal system, and for carrying out the directives they are given by the home office etc.
I have also said that what is happening is wrong, and should be dealt with, but there are again limitations to the things the people can be arrested for, and charged with, so I am sure the police are keen to get them for the right things and make it count.
If you bother to read what I have said, I am simply saying, dont blame the police for the limitations of the legal system, and for carrying out the directives they are given by the home office etc.
I have also said that what is happening is wrong, and should be dealt with, but there are again limitations to the things the people can be arrested for, and charged with, so I am sure the police are keen to get them for the right things and make it count.
, but I can see why he is so frustrated. Police can explain to him why their hands are tied to deal with Slippery's issues, rather than pinpointing the fault in his behaviour. As a victim, his behaviour can be a bit unstable and irratic, come on. I wonder if Police kept their focus on his complaints, rather than patronising him to calm down? I am not justifying throwing abuse at Police at all, but a victimised reporter can behave in irratic way, it doesn't mean to say that his report should be overlooked. At the end of the day, he was there to report a very serious issue i.e. Road Safety and an accient caused by it. Here as well, Slippery's issues hadn't been so difficult to read between the lines in the opening post. I didn't feel lost in translations
, nor did many others.There are examples where police have been victims of abuse from the perpretators and the victims themselves. But also, there are examples where they have acted very arrogantly, just because they have a uniform on, and the authority to handcuff people. If that wasn't the case, their own guys e.g. Mr. Flanagan etc. wouldn't have written explicit reports on Police's conduct.
I have recently been stopped and "talked" by Police for a few seconds only, while I was driving. My fault, both time. They were very, very good on both occasions. I feel like crediting it to them, as they usually can be totally full of themselves with the answers like "I don't need to give you my name" "I don't need to tell you why I stopped you." etc. On both occasions, coppers were very goodlooking too. They looked very tidy in their all black uniforms. well done! That was an icing on the cake. Stop me again, please!
Jokes apart
Hope you get heard, Webby.
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Fivetide, again mate, not suggesting anyone fails to act on anything, just pointing out the obvious for those not seeing it.
I agree the police need to do more, so how about this. Rather than people abusing the police on here (not saying you are) How about seeking the advice of the police on here, opinions of other forces, on how they think the matter could be dealt with, through what channels, and what charges to pursue.
Agreed without a doubt that its not hard for them to approach him, and check him out though.
What I am trying to say ultimatly is on the grand scheme of things, the police take a bashing for everything they do, but as a whole they do a fantastic job. People really do seem to miss the things they do day to day.
As I have said though, in this case, something DOES need doing. I think my responses are more general than just relating to the OP, due to the "oooh kick the police" direction the thread seems to have taken.
I agree the police need to do more, so how about this. Rather than people abusing the police on here (not saying you are) How about seeking the advice of the police on here, opinions of other forces, on how they think the matter could be dealt with, through what channels, and what charges to pursue.
Agreed without a doubt that its not hard for them to approach him, and check him out though.
What I am trying to say ultimatly is on the grand scheme of things, the police take a bashing for everything they do, but as a whole they do a fantastic job. People really do seem to miss the things they do day to day.
As I have said though, in this case, something DOES need doing. I think my responses are more general than just relating to the OP, due to the "oooh kick the police" direction the thread seems to have taken.
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Agreed without a doubt that its not hard for them to approach him, and check him out though.
What I am trying to say ultimatly is on the grand scheme of things, the police take a bashing for everything they do, but as a whole they do a fantastic job. People really do seem to miss the things they do day to day.
As I have said though, in this case, something DOES need doing. I think my responses are more general than just relating to the OP, due to the "oooh kick the police" direction the thread seems to have taken.
What I am trying to say ultimatly is on the grand scheme of things, the police take a bashing for everything they do, but as a whole they do a fantastic job. People really do seem to miss the things they do day to day.
As I have said though, in this case, something DOES need doing. I think my responses are more general than just relating to the OP, due to the "oooh kick the police" direction the thread seems to have taken.
agree with that chap. I think we are talking about different things ever so slightly.I agree that Police bashing isn't fair. They do a great job and take a lot of stick. Brilliant laws in this country have given scumbags far too many rights.
In this particular instance though i feel that the police in question let webby down. He tried to do things properly and was ignored, in my opinion, wrongly. ****** makes one phone call and they are round webby's house. That just doesn't sit right.
I don't think we are at crossed purposes here though!
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Agreed. 
Ok the rest of you, me and 5 are off, fight amongst yourselves now please
Serious though webby, chase it up through local authority channels, police complaints if need be, ask for a sit down with the local inspector etc. Certainly sounds like it needs thinking through and working out by all parties.
Ok the rest of you, me and 5 are off, fight amongst yourselves now please
Serious though webby, chase it up through local authority channels, police complaints if need be, ask for a sit down with the local inspector etc. Certainly sounds like it needs thinking through and working out by all parties.
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How about posting it on youtube with a nice reason why it's there, might get their backs up but you'll get a response.
20 February 2009, 06:25 PM
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Havent read all 11 pages so sorry if i have missed anything but it sounds like your local plod are useless,scared or just plain inept.
ive seen coppers seize a car from a youth who had 3 complaints against him for speedin up n down a stretch of road over several days.
he kicked off as you would cause the old bill got him when he was stationery NOT performing any illegal road act etc, the copper just said if complaints are written in they can act and do,hence they did and took his car off him for the night.
ive seen coppers seize a car from a youth who had 3 complaints against him for speedin up n down a stretch of road over several days.
he kicked off as you would cause the old bill got him when he was stationery NOT performing any illegal road act etc, the copper just said if complaints are written in they can act and do,hence they did and took his car off him for the night.
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Right then, my original post was to hopefully get some GENUINE advice. Not to upset anyone or cause aggro. The plod (or not) who posted directly after me, were in typical SCNET, wind up mode. Only one person on here has offered to help, thanks TimW. And there you have it, all the plod on here and not one bit of helpful advice. The only response is aggresive, if anyone dare say anything about the police, it really is pathetic. Social disorder is affecting, everyday normal people everyday. With what, hands tied or not, seems like the police really dont seem interested. I have to follow a set state of rules in my line of work, but sometimes common sense prevails over what is required by set rules. A little word in the ear by my local plod would probably be enough. But there seems a lack of social conscence and intergration with the public. Whom you are duty bound to serve and protect, a sentance that seems to hold no substance anymore. Once again thanks for the input on both sides, and especially TimW. I am now as confused as ever, about exactly what the police, are all about. I dont hold a grievance with the police, i just wish they were less obscure in there dealings with people and the arrogant attitude towards the public, you are not there to judge, just uphold, something figures may say you do. I beleive that, the police could do better and would like to do better, but can they be bothered to.
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If you want help then there are ways of asking for it. Being abusive and aggessive aren't the usual ways to get help.
Hope you get your problems sorted.
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CPS...
Jeez...I just watched Police Interceptors on 5. There was a guy in an A3 doing 115 through a village. Not sure if it was Lewis Hamiliton, but he was leaving the coppers' Evo for dead over many miles. Absolute nutter with no ulterior reason other than absolutely wanting to NAIL it at 3am. Not drunk, fully insured, his car etc. Showed up the godly 'Interceptors' a treat
Coppers were wired and adrenaline rushed and dragged him out when he eventually 'voluntarily' stopped. [Yet they still called this ****** 'mate' STOP DOING THAT ALL OF YOU - makes you immediately look weak and unprofessional!!!!].
6 cop cars turned up. ALL events clearly caught on camera with plenty of independent witnesses...
CPS dropped the case...
If I was a copper I'd be f'in livid. See the same thing 100 times and we would all probably give up.
Politics rather than policing is the root of much of the blame.
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Jeez...I just watched Police Interceptors on 5. There was a guy in an A3 doing 115 through a village. Not sure if it was Lewis Hamiliton, but he was leaving the coppers' Evo for dead over many miles. Absolute nutter with no ulterior reason other than absolutely wanting to NAIL it at 3am. Not drunk, fully insured, his car etc. Showed up the godly 'Interceptors' a treat
Coppers were wired and adrenaline rushed and dragged him out when he eventually 'voluntarily' stopped. [Yet they still called this ****** 'mate'
STOP DOING THAT ALL OF YOU - makes you immediately look weak and unprofessional!!!!]. 6 cop cars turned up. ALL events clearly caught on camera with plenty of independent witnesses...
CPS dropped the case...
If I was a copper I'd be f'in livid. See the same thing 100 times and we would all probably give up.
Politics rather than policing is the root of much of the blame.
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Getting stuff past the CPS for charging is a lottery.
Some of the demands they make for simple cases with an admission from the suspect is laughable, and almost impossible.
I have had to discontinue invesgtigations due to the CPS demanding things that would make the case not in the public interest to continue due to time/cost; EVEN when the suspect has admitted the offence in interview.
Some of the demands they make for simple cases with an admission from the suspect is laughable, and almost impossible.
I have had to discontinue invesgtigations due to the CPS demanding things that would make the case not in the public interest to continue due to time/cost; EVEN when the suspect has admitted the offence in interview.
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He may well have come over 'wrong' on the night, but the rub is probably quite valid.
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Getting stuff past the CPS for charging is a lottery.
Some of the demands they make for simple cases with an admission from the suspect is laughable, and almost impossible.
I have had to discontinue invesgtigations due to the CPS demanding things that would make the case not in the public interest to continue due to time/cost; EVEN when the suspect has admitted the offence in interview.
Some of the demands they make for simple cases with an admission from the suspect is laughable, and almost impossible.
I have had to discontinue invesgtigations due to the CPS demanding things that would make the case not in the public interest to continue due to time/cost; EVEN when the suspect has admitted the offence in interview.
How come a civil servant gets to play 'God' and bypass the laws of the land as well as your hard work and being put in the line of fire?
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I don't have anyone down as a bad un - I'm not that bothered
Merely pointing out him saying he got no help, which isn't a shock from the tone and content of his rude posts.
Merely pointing out him saying he got no help, which isn't a shock from the tone and content of his rude posts.
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I often have appointments that I shift when I check the rota and see certain names, as I know they will demand XYZ that are not proportionate with the case and not needed.
Cases then get dropped as the amount of work required to get the charge past the CPS isn't in the public interest due to the costs and man hours needed.
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20 February 2009, 08:34 PM
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Some CPS lawyers have 'reputations' for never charging anyone.....
I often have appointments that I shift when I check the rota and see certain names, as I know they will demand XYZ that are not proportionate with the case and not needed.
Cases then get dropped as the amount of work required to get the charge past the CPS isn't in the public interest due to the costs and man hours needed.
I often have appointments that I shift when I check the rota and see certain names, as I know they will demand XYZ that are not proportionate with the case and not needed.
Cases then get dropped as the amount of work required to get the charge past the CPS isn't in the public interest due to the costs and man hours needed.
Dont lose too much heart mate (and I feel I can call a copper a 'mate' - just don't call crims 'mate' - you dont now do you?
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