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I remembered something I had heard ages ago that's all.
too true.
25 February 2009, 10:09 PM
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when a rap artist (cant remember who) used a tiny bit of "What Love got to do with it" in a song
they had to pay the publisher of "whats love got to do with it" 100% of the royalties
as I think the Jason Nevins, remix of Run DMC's hit "It's like That" Nevins, had to pay RUN DMC 100% too
they had to pay the publisher of "whats love got to do with it" 100% of the royalties
as I think the Jason Nevins, remix of Run DMC's hit "It's like That" Nevins, had to pay RUN DMC 100% too
25 February 2009, 10:12 PM
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when a rap artist (cant remember who) used a tiny bit of "What Love got to do with it" in a song
they had to pay the publisher of "whats love got to do with it" 100% of the royalties
as I think the Jason Nevins, remix of Run DMC's hit "It's like That" Nevins, had to pay RUN DMC 100% too
they had to pay the publisher of "whats love got to do with it" 100% of the royalties
as I think the Jason Nevins, remix of Run DMC's hit "It's like That" Nevins, had to pay RUN DMC 100% too
If you mix the song with something else a different copyright law applies and you need permission to use it.
25 February 2009, 10:29 PM
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While this has gone off topic I'm actually finding it quite interesting
Oh, and they may have been around since the 80's and virtually unheard of in the UK they've actually sold over 100 million albums and play to mahoosive concerts in every country other than the UK
Also a huge influence to a huge number of modern groups including, of all people COLDPLAY
25 February 2009, 10:32 PM
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Oh and The Verve also had the same problem with bittersweet symphony, the strings were taken from a Rolling Stones track and they had to pay 100% royalties to them (as if they need it)..
25 February 2009, 10:37 PM
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Love DM been a fan since 1981..seen them more times than I can remember...think '85 was their best year Black Celebration tour..seen then at least 3 times that year..
Vince Clarke wrote Just can't get enough as he did with all the early stuff, it was interesting that as he left he offered them 'Only You' as a leaving gift..the boys told him where to stick it and Yazoo went to number 1 with it..
Martin Gore stepped up and DM went into there greatest phase ever..re-inventing themselves every few years.....
Dissapeared for a while while Dave battled with his demons, and came back stonger then ever........the reason they are great?? not afraid to keep trying something new, keep it fresh, keep moving forward..
Keep it up guys...Awesome
Vince Clarke wrote Just can't get enough as he did with all the early stuff, it was interesting that as he left he offered them 'Only You' as a leaving gift..the boys told him where to stick it and Yazoo went to number 1 with it..
Martin Gore stepped up and DM went into there greatest phase ever..re-inventing themselves every few years.....
Dissapeared for a while while Dave battled with his demons, and came back stonger then ever........the reason they are great?? not afraid to keep trying something new, keep it fresh, keep moving forward..
Keep it up guys...Awesome
26 February 2009, 01:53 AM
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26 February 2009, 02:50 AM
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Mugged them imo, this pretty much sums it up
Originally Posted by some U.S. website
The Verve sampled an orchestration on their song "Bittersweet Symphony" from The Rolling Stone's "The Last Time". Before the release of the album, The Verve negotiated a licensing agreement with The Rolling Stones to use the sample -- at least the composition rights to the sample. In 1997, The Verve's album "Urban Hymns" peaked at number 23 on the Billboard Charts. What ensued was a bitter (and not sweet) legal battle resulting in The Verve turning over 100% of the royalties to the Rolling Stones. The Rolling Stones argued that The Verve had violated the previous licensing agreement by using too much of the sample in their song. The Verve argued that The Rolling Stones got greedy when the song became successful. Herein lies the issue of moral rights of a samplist.
"The last thing I ever wanted was for my music to be used in a commercial. I'm still sick about it", The Verve's lead singer Richard Ashcroft said in a recent interview. So, that's exactly what Rolling Stones manager Allen Klein did. Capitalizing off the success of the song, Klein licensed The Verve's "Bittersweet Symphony" to Nike, who proceeded to run a multi-million dollar television campaign using The Verve's song over shots of its sneakers. Klein also used the song to hawk Vauxhall automobiles. Additionally, though the song was authored by The Rolling Stones, the Andrew Loog Oldham Orchestra performed the sampled recording and also filed suit upon the success of the song. (Herein lies a fine caveat to license both the recording and composition rights from whomever maintains them.) To add even more insult to injury, when "Bittersweet Symphony" was nominated for a Grammy, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards were named the nominees and not The Verve. What could be more "Bittersweet" than your song reaching the top of the charts and not being able to enjoy a cent of its success?
"It could've been worse," Ashcroft continued. "If we hadn't fought, 'Symphony' could've ended up on a cheeseburger ad and never have been taken seriously again." Yum.
"The last thing I ever wanted was for my music to be used in a commercial. I'm still sick about it", The Verve's lead singer Richard Ashcroft said in a recent interview. So, that's exactly what Rolling Stones manager Allen Klein did. Capitalizing off the success of the song, Klein licensed The Verve's "Bittersweet Symphony" to Nike, who proceeded to run a multi-million dollar television campaign using The Verve's song over shots of its sneakers. Klein also used the song to hawk Vauxhall automobiles. Additionally, though the song was authored by The Rolling Stones, the Andrew Loog Oldham Orchestra performed the sampled recording and also filed suit upon the success of the song. (Herein lies a fine caveat to license both the recording and composition rights from whomever maintains them.) To add even more insult to injury, when "Bittersweet Symphony" was nominated for a Grammy, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards were named the nominees and not The Verve. What could be more "Bittersweet" than your song reaching the top of the charts and not being able to enjoy a cent of its success?
"It could've been worse," Ashcroft continued. "If we hadn't fought, 'Symphony' could've ended up on a cheeseburger ad and never have been taken seriously again." Yum.
26 February 2009, 08:45 AM
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there our two types of Royalties (I'm pretty sure)
composition (writing -- obviously with priviso of mixing etc when it gets a little complicated and often depends on a deal being struck with the composer of the sample)
and performing
but to sum up the writer get the dosh
take the Rolling Stone --- Mick Jagger get by far the largest share because he is listed as the writer, I think i,m right in saying U2 are one of the only bands that share the royalties equally, both composers and perfromers
composition (writing -- obviously with priviso of mixing etc when it gets a little complicated and often depends on a deal being struck with the composer of the sample)
and performing
but to sum up the writer get the dosh
take the Rolling Stone --- Mick Jagger get by far the largest share because he is listed as the writer, I think i,m right in saying U2 are one of the only bands that share the royalties equally, both composers and perfromers
28 February 2009, 11:02 AM
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It's a cracking video and a good song.
DM get a lot of flak most of it unjustified IMO and I happen to think Songs of Faith and Devotion is one of the best albums ever recorded. Dark, brooding and influenced by a man pulling back from the abyss that is heroin addiction.
Violater and Black Celebration are excellent too.
The best thing that ever happeed to them was losing Vince Clark - they were way too lightweight with him on board.
DM get a lot of flak most of it unjustified IMO and I happen to think Songs of Faith and Devotion is one of the best albums ever recorded. Dark, brooding and influenced by a man pulling back from the abyss that is heroin addiction.
Violater and Black Celebration are excellent too.
The best thing that ever happeed to them was losing Vince Clark - they were way too lightweight with him on board.
28 February 2009, 01:11 PM
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I went though some heavy personal stuff 14 years ago and that album and Stolichnaya were my closest friends for a few months, In your room became a very personal song to me and I still think Condemnation is Dave Gahan's defining vocal.
I'm not sure if Martin Gore wrote those tracks about DG but they were all at an all time low when they recorded that album Gahan locking himself in his room with the H for days on end, his only input on that album was the vocals, he'd appear from his room lay down the vocals then off he went again, barely communicating with the other two.
Martin Gore was having a breakdown whilst Fletch was an alcoholic, I think there were a couple of divorces chucked into the mix, it nearly finished the band off, not to mention them as individuals. A great album and a great tour, how they pulled it off i'll never know.
Gahan over dosed on a speedball at one gig in the states and was rushed to the emergency room during the encore, he was dead for a couple of minutes, he retold the story "these two guys were working on me trying to revive me and one said, I think we've lost him, I sat bolt upright and no you f*cking haven't !!"
He gave an amazing acount of the whole era in an big interview with Q magazine years ago, totally blew me away when I read it, the overdoses, the combinations of drugs and the suicide attempts, I still have it somewhere.
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Possibly my favourite album of all time, though I tend to listen to the Live version, darker and more personal imo.
I went though some heavy personal stuff 14 years ago and that album and Stolichnaya were my closest friends for a few months, In your room became a very personal song to me and I still think Condemnation is Dave Gahan's defining vocal.
I'm not sure if Martin Gore wrote those tracks about DG but they were all at an all time low when they recorded that album Gahan locking himself in his room with the H for days on end, his only input on that album was the vocals, he'd appear from his room lay down the vocals then off he went again, barely communicating with the other two.
Martin Gore was having a breakdown whilst Fletch was an alcoholic, I think there were a couple of divorces chucked into the mix, it nearly finished the band off, not to mention them as individuals. A great album and a great tour, how they pulled it off i'll never know.
Gahan over dosed on a speedball at one gig in the states and was rushed to the emergency room during the encore, he was dead for a couple of minutes, he retold the story "these two guys were working on me trying to revive me and one said, I think we've lost him, I sat bolt upright and no you f*cking haven't !!"
He gave an amazing acount of the whole era in an big interview with Q magazine years ago, totally blew me away when I read it, the overdoses, the combinations of drugs and the suicide attempts, I still have it somewhere.
I went though some heavy personal stuff 14 years ago and that album and Stolichnaya were my closest friends for a few months, In your room became a very personal song to me and I still think Condemnation is Dave Gahan's defining vocal.
I'm not sure if Martin Gore wrote those tracks about DG but they were all at an all time low when they recorded that album Gahan locking himself in his room with the H for days on end, his only input on that album was the vocals, he'd appear from his room lay down the vocals then off he went again, barely communicating with the other two.
Martin Gore was having a breakdown whilst Fletch was an alcoholic, I think there were a couple of divorces chucked into the mix, it nearly finished the band off, not to mention them as individuals. A great album and a great tour, how they pulled it off i'll never know.
Gahan over dosed on a speedball at one gig in the states and was rushed to the emergency room during the encore, he was dead for a couple of minutes, he retold the story "these two guys were working on me trying to revive me and one said, I think we've lost him, I sat bolt upright and no you f*cking haven't !!"
He gave an amazing acount of the whole era in an big interview with Q magazine years ago, totally blew me away when I read it, the overdoses, the combinations of drugs and the suicide attempts, I still have it somewhere.
That album is quite extraordinary under the circumstances (the vocals are amazing) and I am just glad they are still around today even if their music may not quite be what it once was.
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LOL, I still like them, don't get me wrong, but Songs of faith and Devotion is the pinnacle of their achievments IMO. It's all personal isn't it so no worries.
I get it in the neck for opining that U2's Achtung Baby is a better album than The Joshua Tree, but it means more to me due to things in my personal life at the time it was released.
I get it in the neck for opining that U2's Achtung Baby is a better album than The Joshua Tree, but it means more to me due to things in my personal life at the time it was released.
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I really think Playing the Angel was brilliant though. I remember being in a club and "John the Revelator" came on.... all you could hear was people singing along, it was like being in a concert - amazing.
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01 March 2009, 03:13 AM
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The memory isn't what it used to be
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My greatest memory of that tour was Primal Scream supporting them and being shocked at how much drugs DM were using 
But as stated above the memory aint what it used to be
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I get it in the neck for opining that U2's Achtung Baby is a better album than The Joshua Tree
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Love DM been a fan since 1981..seen them more times than I can remember...think '85 was their best year Black Celebration tour..seen then at least 3 times that year..
Vince Clarke wrote Just can't get enough as he did with all the early stuff, it was interesting that as he left he offered them 'Only You' as a leaving gift..the boys told him where to stick it and Yazoo went to number 1 with it..
Martin Gore stepped up and DM went into there greatest phase ever..re-inventing themselves every few years.....
Dissapeared for a while while Dave battled with his demons, and came back stonger then ever........the reason they are great?? not afraid to keep trying something new, keep it fresh, keep moving forward..
Keep it up guys...Awesome
Vince Clarke wrote Just can't get enough as he did with all the early stuff, it was interesting that as he left he offered them 'Only You' as a leaving gift..the boys told him where to stick it and Yazoo went to number 1 with it..
Martin Gore stepped up and DM went into there greatest phase ever..re-inventing themselves every few years.....
Dissapeared for a while while Dave battled with his demons, and came back stonger then ever........the reason they are great?? not afraid to keep trying something new, keep it fresh, keep moving forward..
Keep it up guys...Awesome
Love them too although i thought their music was better while Gahan was actually on the edge - Violator and Songs of Faith and Devotion were absolute class.
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Watched them perform "Wrong" live on Kimmel the other day and it sounded good, thought it would be a song he couldn't do live like "Barel of a gun" or "I feel loved" but he did well.
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