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04 March 2009, 01:38 AM
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Connor, in light of your other probs with the Sport make sure that you get a good mixture of anti-freeze in there.
Did the garage put anti-freeze or 'forlife' coolant in (or whatever it is called these days)?
Did the garage put anti-freeze or 'forlife' coolant in (or whatever it is called these days)?
04 March 2009, 08:53 AM
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The garage put a good coolant in it :-) and gave me some to keep topping it up with
No its tiny bubble that are just noticeble
What tank should i be checking an topping up
Thanks for the info guys - I popped into the garage on the way to work an the guy said the car may take 3/4 litres of water as its air locked. he said it may take a few days to clear. He said i have to go back on monday with the car
No its tiny bubble that are just noticeble
What tank should i be checking an topping up
Thanks for the info guys - I popped into the garage on the way to work an the guy said the car may take 3/4 litres of water as its air locked. he said it may take a few days to clear. He said i have to go back on monday with the car
04 March 2009, 12:39 PM
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Right guys its down about 2 cup fulls of water
Im opening the top expansion tank (pressurised one) an then checking the collant bottle behing the headlight
Im getting really confused at what the level should be at?????
Can someone assist me please
I know the above is a really stupid question but i have been told so many different things im confuzzled now
The garage said the tank on top of the engine (pressurised) one should be full at all times. I have opened it when the car is warm an its not full.
Help me please - Beginning to get pissed off with this now
Im opening the top expansion tank (pressurised one) an then checking the collant bottle behing the headlight
Im getting really confused at what the level should be at?????
Can someone assist me please
I know the above is a really stupid question but i have been told so many different things im confuzzled now
The garage said the tank on top of the engine (pressurised) one should be full at all times. I have opened it when the car is warm an its not full.
Help me please - Beginning to get pissed off with this now
04 March 2009, 12:44 PM
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The headlight bottle is just expansion will fill empty as required but a full and overflowing expansion tank is often tanken to be a sign of HG failure.
Is the rad hot on both top and bottom hoses or left and right sides ? mind your hand on the fans when checking the bottom.
Is the rad hot on both top and bottom hoses or left and right sides ? mind your hand on the fans when checking the bottom.
04 March 2009, 12:53 PM
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Right i have been filling the expansion one behind the headlight as it has a full mark on it. Just been filling it to the top
Its a brand new radiator that was fitted yesterday mate
All hoses seem hot as normal
So is the tank on top of the engine i should be checking an keeping full as it keeps going down
The garage explained this would happen over the next couple of days due to the new radiator
Also the expansion tank(behind headlight) looks like its going down. You can hardly see it as its a tiny little neck thats on it
This is so annoying not knowing what to check
Its a brand new radiator that was fitted yesterday mate
All hoses seem hot as normal
So is the tank on top of the engine i should be checking an keeping full as it keeps going down
The garage explained this would happen over the next couple of days due to the new radiator
Also the expansion tank(behind headlight) looks like its going down. You can hardly see it as its a tiny little neck thats on it
This is so annoying not knowing what to check
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04 March 2009, 12:59 PM
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Right i have been filling the expansion one behind the headlight as it has a full mark on it. Just been filling it to the top
Its a brand new radiator that was fitted yesterday mate
All hoses seem hot as normal
So is the tank on top of the engine i should be checking an keeping full as it keeps going down
Also the expansion tank looks like its going down. You can hardly see it as its a tiny little neck thats on it
This is so annoying not knowing what to check
Its a brand new radiator that was fitted yesterday mate
All hoses seem hot as normal
So is the tank on top of the engine i should be checking an keeping full as it keeps going down
Also the expansion tank looks like its going down. You can hardly see it as its a tiny little neck thats on it
This is so annoying not knowing what to check
basically you fill it until its all in the system and no longer needs filling. When you are done doing that often people put a smidge in the expansion tank too to be drawn in if required.
04 March 2009, 01:06 PM
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Thank you mate. Much appreciated
Does this sound like HG failure
Just got new radiator
Car temp is normal
heaters are roasting hot
NO smoke from exhaust or water vapour
No funky smells from coolant or expansion tank
No froth
Performance is spot on boosting fine
Cars starts fine
No residue on oil cap or dipstick lovely brown oil
Only issue is that the metal header tank on top of the engine keeps going down - Its a tiny tank - Also expansion tank is going low aswell
Would an airlock cause this?
Also is there a difference checking it when hot or cold?
Does this sound like HG failure
Just got new radiator
Car temp is normal
heaters are roasting hot
NO smoke from exhaust or water vapour
No funky smells from coolant or expansion tank
No froth
Performance is spot on boosting fine
Cars starts fine
No residue on oil cap or dipstick lovely brown oil
Only issue is that the metal header tank on top of the engine keeps going down - Its a tiny tank - Also expansion tank is going low aswell
Would an airlock cause this?
Also is there a difference checking it when hot or cold?
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04 March 2009, 01:20 PM
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Thank you mate. Much appreciated
Does this sound like HG failure
Just got new radiator
Car temp is normal
heaters are roasting hot
NO smoke from exhaust or water vapour
No funky smells from coolant or expansion tank
No froth
Performance is spot on boosting fine
Cars starts fine
No residue on oil cap or dipstick lovely brown oil
Only issue is that the metal header tank on top of the engine keeps going down - Its a tiny tank - Also expansion tank is going low aswell
Would an airlock cause this?
Also is there a difference checking it when hot or cold?
Does this sound like HG failure
Just got new radiator
Car temp is normal
heaters are roasting hot
NO smoke from exhaust or water vapour
No funky smells from coolant or expansion tank
No froth
Performance is spot on boosting fine
Cars starts fine
No residue on oil cap or dipstick lovely brown oil
Only issue is that the metal header tank on top of the engine keeps going down - Its a tiny tank - Also expansion tank is going low aswell
Would an airlock cause this?
Also is there a difference checking it when hot or cold?
It could be the heater matrix is leaking or kaput or you have a small leak orr the cooling system is 'settling'.
However;
Connor - i am really suprised the garage did not do a sniff test before installing the rad or even after. If the HG has gone this will tell you 100% and instantly, it takes some 30 seconds to perform the test and is very easy to do!
Your rad going could be caused by the HG failure or vise versa. the sniff test will tel you and give you an instant diagnoosis.
You can buy the kits from a decent motor factor for £20-30 (from memory)
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04 March 2009, 01:26 PM
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Connor - i am really suprised the garage did not do a sniff test before installing the rad or even after. If the HG has gone this will tell you 100% and instantly, it takes some 30 seconds to perform the test and is very easy to do!
Your rad going could be caused by the HG failure or vise versa. the sniff test will tel you and give you an instant diagnoosis.
You can buy the kits from a decent motor factor for £20-30 (from memory)
Your rad going could be caused by the HG failure or vise versa. the sniff test will tel you and give you an instant diagnoosis.
You can buy the kits from a decent motor factor for £20-30 (from memory)
Connor, I would suggest going to another garage and getting the test done for piece of mind.
04 March 2009, 01:29 PM
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They didnt seem to think there would be a HG issue as the car never overheated an never ran dry of water just had a HUGE crack in the rad an a huge hole at the bottom of it. It was a mess they showed me it.
I have googled "sniff test kit" an got nothing. Is there another name for them mate
I have googled "sniff test kit" an got nothing. Is there another name for them mate
04 March 2009, 01:34 PM
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Also known as a combustion test mate...
combustion, Hand Tools, Diagnostic Tools Equipment items at low prices on eBay.co.uk
Not cheap, hense why I would get a garage to do it mate.
combustion, Hand Tools, Diagnostic Tools Equipment items at low prices on eBay.co.uk
Not cheap, hense why I would get a garage to do it mate.
04 March 2009, 01:36 PM
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They didnt seem to think there would be a HG issue as the car never overheated an never ran dry of water just had a HUGE crack in the rad an a huge hole at the bottom of it. It was a mess they showed me it.
I have googled "sniff test kit" an got nothing. Is there another name for them mate
I have googled "sniff test kit" an got nothing. Is there another name for them mate
To put this simply and you can pass this onto the garage.
The HG on my pug has gone, it puts a small amount of gas into the coolant and occasionallly blows out of the overflow and uses some coolant, more if the weather is hot.
It does not really overheat!
You have not had the car that long, what say it overheated BIFORE you owned it?!?
Look mate this is your car and up to you but me, i would get a sniff test done, it could not be easier.
If you have a Parrs motor factors near by then go ask them for the kit, buy one and do it yourself or get this or another garage to do so.
I am really suprised that the garage did not do or offer this when fitting the rad. pointless going on about it, get it done and know for sure, simple!
04 March 2009, 01:38 PM
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OK,
To put this simply and you can pass this onto the garage.
The HG on my pug has gone, it puts a small amount of gas into the coolant and occasionallly blows out of the overflow and uses some coolant, more if the weather is hot.
It does not really overheat!
You have not had the car that long, what say it overheated BIFORE you owned it?!?
Look mate this is your car and up to you but me, i would get a sniff test done, it could not be easier.
If you have a Parrs motor factors near by then go ask them for the kit, buy one and do it yourself or get this or another garage to do so.
I am really suprised that the garage did not do or offer this when fitting the rad. pointless going on about it, get it done and know for sure, simple!
To put this simply and you can pass this onto the garage.
The HG on my pug has gone, it puts a small amount of gas into the coolant and occasionallly blows out of the overflow and uses some coolant, more if the weather is hot.
It does not really overheat!
You have not had the car that long, what say it overheated BIFORE you owned it?!?
Look mate this is your car and up to you but me, i would get a sniff test done, it could not be easier.
If you have a Parrs motor factors near by then go ask them for the kit, buy one and do it yourself or get this or another garage to do so.
I am really suprised that the garage did not do or offer this when fitting the rad. pointless going on about it, get it done and know for sure, simple!
04 March 2009, 01:38 PM
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Also known as a combustion test mate...
combustion, Hand Tools, Diagnostic Tools Equipment items at low prices on eBay.co.uk
Not cheap, hense why I would get a garage to do it mate.
combustion, Hand Tools, Diagnostic Tools Equipment items at low prices on eBay.co.uk
Not cheap, hense why I would get a garage to do it mate.
Agree with your comments re gunge in the rad cap BTW, things not always what they seem
04 March 2009, 01:42 PM
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Please re read my previous post re where the water might be going. you might also want to get a new rad cap. It ether leaks or it could be being consumed with a HG failure or it does not use water. as said it could just be settling.
04 March 2009, 01:43 PM
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Dole dosser makes useful post on Scoobynet
Connor, if you think about it, the cylinder head and block are only seperated by the head gasket, so if this is leaking the coolant that runs through the channels in the block/head has somehwere to escape. This could be the loosing water, it may not. Also if the head gasket has gone, ie corroded, the gases created in the pistons after combustion can leak into the channels which the coolant is pumped through. Thats generally my understanding of why a sniffer/combustion test is a brilliant gadget and usually very accurate.
Genuinely hope its nothing serious mate, but if I were you, I'd be driving to a reputable garage now and finding out. At worst its a couple ££ for piece of mind.
04 March 2009, 01:52 PM
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It is a quiet day for me so did la little digging
http://ww.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=60736
have a look here
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04 March 2009, 01:53 PM
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for my two penneth
earier on in a post on this thread I mentioned I had to replace my bottom rad hose (like the OP losing coolant, heater cold) my first thoughts were HG
however I replaced the hose (mindfull that it could have split due to pressurising)
I then topped (obviously lost quite a bit of coolant) up the system from the ali header tank (by the turbo), whilst I was toppping it up i was squeezing both rad hoses top and bottom -- had the engine running and heater full on and blowing, when it could take no more let it cool and repeated a few hours later.
I then drove the next 200 odd miles with my eye on the temp guage and my hand on the hot blower (summer so quite uncomfortable) over the next few days which equated to about 500 odd miles I checked and topped up the ali header tank (by the turbo), maybe 500 mil
since done 12000 mile no probs
I occasionally put some in the plastic one (every 5000 miles)
just to be very clear the Ali header tank is ontop of the engine (for non turbos) plastic behind the headlight
earier on in a post on this thread I mentioned I had to replace my bottom rad hose (like the OP losing coolant, heater cold) my first thoughts were HG
however I replaced the hose (mindfull that it could have split due to pressurising)
I then topped (obviously lost quite a bit of coolant) up the system from the ali header tank (by the turbo), whilst I was toppping it up i was squeezing both rad hoses top and bottom -- had the engine running and heater full on and blowing, when it could take no more let it cool and repeated a few hours later.
I then drove the next 200 odd miles with my eye on the temp guage and my hand on the hot blower (summer so quite uncomfortable) over the next few days which equated to about 500 odd miles I checked and topped up the ali header tank (by the turbo), maybe 500 mil
since done 12000 mile no probs
I occasionally put some in the plastic one (every 5000 miles)
just to be very clear the Ali header tank is ontop of the engine (for non turbos) plastic behind the headlight
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04 March 2009, 01:56 PM
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I agree, its worth having the leak test done for peace of mind.
Having said that, like I posted earlier in the thread, I had similar issues to what you had. Radiator had a tiny little hole spraying water out. I took it to Scoobyclinic because I could smell the leak but couldn't see it. James inspected it and found the leak within 20 seconds. I collected the car next day all fixed with a new rad but I dont know weather they did a leak test. A few weeks later the top header tank started leaking and I was worried that I may have a head gaskett failure pressurising the system. Back to Scoobyclinic for a new header tank and they reckond it was just the age of the car and it was common for them both to go a similar times. The header tank was leaking on the seam and one of the hose connectors disintegrated when they pulled one of the hoses off.
Anyway, that was over 12 months ago and the car has been fine ever since.
Having said that, like I posted earlier in the thread, I had similar issues to what you had. Radiator had a tiny little hole spraying water out. I took it to Scoobyclinic because I could smell the leak but couldn't see it. James inspected it and found the leak within 20 seconds. I collected the car next day all fixed with a new rad but I dont know weather they did a leak test. A few weeks later the top header tank started leaking and I was worried that I may have a head gaskett failure pressurising the system. Back to Scoobyclinic for a new header tank and they reckond it was just the age of the car and it was common for them both to go a similar times. The header tank was leaking on the seam and one of the hose connectors disintegrated when they pulled one of the hoses off.
Anyway, that was over 12 months ago and the car has been fine ever since.
04 March 2009, 01:57 PM
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i have only done about 100 odd miles and have topped it up by a few litres
Phoned unipart,autosave who dont do the kits
Called 4 garages who wont do the test until next week
My patience is fading slowly
Stupid car
Phoned unipart,autosave who dont do the kits
Called 4 garages who wont do the test until next week
My patience is fading slowly
Stupid car
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04 March 2009, 02:25 PM
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The garage should have got most of the air out when fitting the rad. It could be they disturbed another hose or joint which in turn is leaking.
If you keep using a few litres of water per 100 miles then chances are there is a problem, could be split expansion tank, dodgly cap, spring/seal worn, water hose/joint/jubilee clip, heater matrix (small rad) or head gasket.
Do not get mad get looking mate
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04 March 2009, 02:38 PM
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Right been on the phone to these lads
index.html
He talked me through all possiblilties - Nice chap explained things perfect for me
He said the majority of Impreza HG failures have these symptoms
white smoke
wet exhaust
split heads
heater system been cold
mayonaise
And the rest
I explained about the water issue an he says to run it till Friday an then if i still have issues take the car to him an he will look at it.
He said he can hook the car up overnight to 15-20psi of aire an run it through the system to check for leaks
He also told me to do the checks Paul has said. He said it doesnt sound lik HG failure but nothing can be ruled out
Im so gutted tbh but i need to put the time in and check the car over tonight thats the only way
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How full should the header tank be as mine is sitting at what looks like half way
And also THANKS to everyone who as input info. I know i dont sound greaful just very disheartened you know. Hopefull its not worst case scenario
Cheers lads
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He talked me through all possiblilties - Nice chap explained things perfect for me
He said the majority of Impreza HG failures have these symptoms
white smoke
wet exhaust
split heads
heater system been cold
mayonaise
And the rest
I explained about the water issue an he says to run it till Friday an then if i still have issues take the car to him an he will look at it.
He said he can hook the car up overnight to 15-20psi of aire an run it through the system to check for leaks
He also told me to do the checks Paul has said. He said it doesnt sound lik HG failure but nothing can be ruled out
Im so gutted tbh but i need to put the time in and check the car over tonight thats the only way
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How full should the header tank be as mine is sitting at what looks like half way
And also THANKS to everyone who as input info. I know i dont sound greaful just very disheartened you know. Hopefull its not worst case scenario
Cheers lads
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Right been on the phone to these lads
index.html
He talked me through all possiblilties - Nice chap explained things perfect for me
He said the majority of Impreza HG failures have these symptoms
white smoke
wet exhaust
split heads
heater system been cold
mayonaise
And the rest
I explained about the water issue an he says to run it till Friday an then if i still have issues take the car to him an he will look at it.
He said he can hook the car up overnight to 15-20psi of aire an run it through the system to check for leaks
He also told me to do the checks Paul has said. He said it doesnt sound lik HG failure but nothing can be ruled out
Im so gutted tbh but i need to put the time in and check the car over tonight thats the only way
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How full should the header tank be as mine is sitting at what looks like half way
And also THANKS to everyone who as input info. I know i dont sound greaful just very disheartened you know. Hopefull its not worst case scenario
Cheers lads
index.html
He talked me through all possiblilties - Nice chap explained things perfect for me
He said the majority of Impreza HG failures have these symptoms
white smoke
wet exhaust
split heads
heater system been cold
mayonaise
And the rest
I explained about the water issue an he says to run it till Friday an then if i still have issues take the car to him an he will look at it.
He said he can hook the car up overnight to 15-20psi of aire an run it through the system to check for leaks
He also told me to do the checks Paul has said. He said it doesnt sound lik HG failure but nothing can be ruled out
Im so gutted tbh but i need to put the time in and check the car over tonight thats the only way
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How full should the header tank be as mine is sitting at what looks like half way
And also THANKS to everyone who as input info. I know i dont sound greaful just very disheartened you know. Hopefull its not worst case scenario
Cheers lads
Speaking to a specialists was the best thing for you to do imo. Maybe this was part of the reason you got the Scoob cheap? Pretty much impossible to take everything into account when checking one over, been there myself. Hopefully wont be an expensive fix regardless. Just keep us upto date.