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hodgy0_2

sorry FP didnt mean to call your memory into question

I suppose I was making the wider point that the coal deliveries kept flowing to the Powerstations, thats why the miners could never win and Maggie just held out

fatherpierre

No worries.

I just remember being really annoyed when I couldn't watch The Young Ones due to the power dip where I lived.

^Qwerty^

I'm pretty sure during the last ten years or so, Labour has carried on allowing the pits to be closed down. Don't see many people saying that.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Pits closed since 1997:

Silverdale, Staffordshire
Monktonhall, Mid Lothian
Calverton, Nottinghamshire
North Selby, Yorkshire
Annesley / Bentinck, Nottinghamshire
Blaenant, South Wales
Longannet complex, Fife
Prince of Wales, Yorkshire
Betws, South Wales
Clipstone,, Nottinghamshire


Pits closed between 1984 and 1997:

Bearpark, Co Durham
Cronton, Merseyside
Aberpergwm, South Wales
Abertillery, South Wales
Ackton Hall, Yorkshire
Bedwas, South Wales
Bold, Merseyside
Brenkley, Tyne and Wear
Brookhouse, Yorkshire
Cortonwood, Yorkshire
Emley Moor, Yorkshire
Fryston, Yorkshire
Garw, South Wales
Haig, Cumbria
Herrington, Co Durham
Margam, South Wales
Moor Green, Nottinghamshire
Penrhiwceiber, South Wales
Pye Hill, Nottinghamshire
Sacriston, Co Durham
St Johns, South Wales
Savile, Yorkshire
Treforgan, South Wales
Wolstanton, Staffordshire
Yorkshire Main, Yorkshire
Babbington, Nottinghamshire
Bates, Northumberland
Bersham, North Wales
Birch Coppice, Warwickshire
Cadeby, Yorkshire
Comrie, Fife
Cwm, South Wales
Eppleton, Co Durham
Glasshoughton, Yorkshire
Horden, Co Durham
Kinsley, Yorkshire
Ledston Luck, Yorkshire
Nantgarw / Winsor, South Wales
Polkemmet, West Lothian
Tilmanstone, Kent
Whitwell, Nottinghamshire
Whitwick/ South Leicester, Leicestershire
Newstead, Nottinghamshire
Nostell, Yorkshire
Polmaise 3/4, Stirling
Snowdown, Kent
Wheldale, Yorkshire
Whittal, Co Durham
Woolley, Yorkshire
Silverwood, Yorkshire
Abernant, South Wales
Arkwright, Derbyshire
Ashington, Northumberland
Cadley Hill, Derbyshire
Lady Winsor / Abercynon, South Wales
Linby, Nottinghamshire
Mansfield, Nottinghamshire
Manvers complex, Yorkshire
Seafield/ Frances, Fife
South Kirkby/ Riddings, Yorkshire
Baddesley, Warwickshire
Barnburgh, Yorkshire
Barony, Ayreshire
Betteshanger, Kent
Bilston Glen, Mid Lothian
Blidworth, Nottinghamshire
Cynheidre, South Wales
Holditch, Staffordshire
Marine/ Six Bells, South Wales
Merthyr Vale, South Wales
Oakdale, South Wales
Renishaw Park, Yorkshire
Royston, Yorkshire
Sutton, Nottinghamshire
Trelewis, South Wales
Warsop, Nottinghamshire
Agecroft, Lancashire
Ellistown, Leicestershire
Lea Hall, Staffordshire
Littleton, Staffordshire
Shireoaks/ Steetley, Nottinghamshire
Treeton, Yorkshire
Donnisthorpe/ Rawdon, Leicestershire
Florence, Cumbria
Askern, Yorkshire
Bagworth, Leicestershire
Barnsley Main, Yorkshire
Creswell, Derbyshire
Dawdon, Co Durham
Dearne Valley, Yorkshire
Deep Navigation, South Wales
Denby Grange, Yorkshire
Dinnington, Yorkshire
Gedling, Nottinghamshire
Murton, Co Durham
Penallta, South Wales
Sutton Manor, Merseyside
Thurcroft, Yorkshire
Allerton Bywater, Yorkshire
Bickershaw Complex, Lancashire
Cotgrave, Nottinghamshire
Sherwood, Nottinghamshire
Shirebrook, Derbyshire
Silverhill, Nottinghamshire
Bentley, Yorkshire
Bolsover, Derbyshire
Easington, Co Durham
Frickley/S Elmsall, Yorkshire
Grimethorpe, Yorkshire
Houghton/Darfield, Yorkshire
Parkside, Merseyside
Rufford, Nottinghamshire
Sharlston, Yorkshire
Taff Merthyr, South Wales
Vane Tempest/ Seaham, Co Durham
Westoe, Tyne and Wear
Goldthorpe/ Hickelton, Yorkshire
Kiveton Park, Yorkshire
Markham, Derbyshire
Manton, Nottinghamshire
Ollerton, Nottinghamshire
Wearmouth, Co Durham
Bilsthorpe, Nottinghamshire
Coventry, West Midlands
Hem Heath, Staffordshire
Markham Main, Yorkshire
Point of Ayr, North Wales

But as is the SN NSR way let's blame as much of it on New Labour as possible

fatherpierre

Difficult argument.

Listing what was closed and when doesn't show which pit was losing or making what.

I remember where I lived being decimated by those in power, and not just from the pit closures.

There was no work for anyone for a long time when I was a kid. Mid 90s seemed to be when it picked up.

I'm surprised no one's mentioning the steel industry being closed down.....

30000 jobs wiped out by a 2 minute speech in the HOC 92/93....... That went under the carpet at the time.

zip106

That was caused by the power surge from people putting the kettle on during the ad breaks of Corrie.

You know, the Ken / Deirdre / Mike affair?

fatherpierre

That was 82

We were all flush then

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Oh come on FP you know better than that, everything was wonderful under Maggie. Just ask most of SN. Come on, tow the party line here will you

I know just posting that list isn't the whole story but it does rather show there was a bit of a difference pit closurses wise under the Tory government than the current one which was all I was trying to point out.

fatherpierre

Soz

Was almost going back to my urban, scum roots there!

Mags was great; best thing ever for us.....


Na, she wasn't. Great for those in the South East - the devil for anyone else.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Yep, that's about the truth of it

Funkii Munkii

Power cuts were in the late 70's certainly not the early 80's, not in north London anyway.

Pete you go on about the Torries destroying British Industry, it destroyed itself with it's shabby products and lazy work attitude (in general not the miners in particular) British Leyland prime example are you going to blame the tories for that ? Do we hear the people of Lancashire blaming the Torries for the mills closing down ?

Get over it


It feels like De Ja Vu all over again 30 years on, Labour Govt in it's last days and the country a total mess.

Agree with above comments that there is no one at the moment who could sort this mess out.

Jezza and Branson would be a good combo

Funkii Munkii

Just remembered the bucketeers outside the tube stations, "Dig Deep for the miners"

cster

Surely Maggie was a product of her time - like a dose of salts is for the ****s.
Things have moved on now.
We now have a choice from a few bland middle of the road consensus parties.
Is it not ironic that Maggie with her clarion call for choice (as denied by Socialist policy) has been so deeply buried by the complete lack of choice we are offerred at the ballot box?
Long live second rate health care, long live second rate education for our children, long live a welfare system that denies us of any social responsibility.
This is the dogma we have decided to live and die under/for.
F*ck choice - we wouldn't know what to do with it.

fatherpierre

Well done you.

I had them, as did many of us that suffered Thatcher's wrath.

We didn't all live in north London in the 80s

Funkii Munkii

Thanks I know it was all down to me, cut the power up North where the striking riff raff live I said and they listened, I then had the Bucketeers deported from High Barnet tube as well , or is that your dry sense of humour again ?.

Why put the smiley out of context ?? it wasn't at the end of that sentence.

Oh it's because you can..

^Qwerty^

I think regardless of which party had been in power, the pits would have closed, or certainly a good proportion of them. Likewise, advances in technology mean that when a pit required 800 people in the 50's, 60's 70's etc. technology means the same job can be done with 2-300 people. Nobody can fix that, it's the way of the world.

Personally I find it disgusting that the Selby complex was closed down, although the option is in place to reopen it. However by far the worst *closure* of a mine in my eyes is Thorne. A mothballed pit for years, more coal than you can shake a stick at, and UKC filled in the shafts, no doubt in an attempt to make it as difficult as possible for Hatfield (Powerfuel) to access the reserves.

And whilst far more pits closed between 84 and 97, the since 97 list is missing a fair few.

fatherpierre

That post makes no sense

Not to me, anyway

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

How convenient? Which ones are missing then?

Turbo2

There's nothing quite like bearing a grudge for 25 years, is there? How ridiculous is it that family members and former mining colleagues still won't talk to each other a full generation after the event? That's just pathetic. Surely they have all moved on with their lives since then, so why can't they just lift that big chip off their shoulders?

SJ_Skyline

The inability to forgive and move on after 25 years is quite pathetic. The chap they rolled out on telly yesterday was so bitter and twisted that I suspect he would have refused a life-saving transplant if it had come from a "scab". If you are going to be that pig-ignorant and unforgiving then you can rot, don't give me any working class heroes crap.

^Qwerty^

Off the top of my head without doing any research:

Wistow
Stillingfleet
Ricall
Thorne
Whitmoor
Rossington
Gascoigne Wood
Harworth
Ellington

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Ah OK my apologies, looks like my original list does not include those that were 'mothballed' rather than closed forever.

Chip

If Scargill had had a proper ballot in the first place then the result may have been very different.

Scargill took on Thatcher and lost.

What did you lot want. 1000s of miners digging out coal that nobody wanted ,subsidised to the tune of billions of pounds a year.

We used to have coal fires everywhere ,now its all gas , even the power stations are gas fired giving us clean energy.

Chip

rr_ww

Hmmm. Could of sworn they were still in power 12 years later! Twwat! And definetly back in power at the next oppurtunity. Whilst your glorious leader swans off to a massive pension, despite being just as irresponsible as the financial sector. And leaves us with the biggest debt per head in history!


You mean, that maybe that's why the pits aren't operated to the same levels anymore? You mean it's out of date technology?

No No Its all Thatchers fault apparently

Unions = ****e. It's very simple. Show me a Union that's actually contributing anything usefull to the wider economy?