scoobynutta555

The worst response would be getting the SAS in to sort them out. IMHO, they should be dealt with by their own, ie the IRA.

Jamz3k

Don't agree there Nutta, it just justifies the existance of IRA if they are allowed to "deal with their own" in my opinion.

ronjeramy

iTrader: (1)

Is there any likelyhood that this will bring out the UDA/UVF/UFF etc. ?

scoobynutta555

Getting the British military to kill them is justifying their own existence in NI. The whole idea is for the military to be as low key as possible these days leading to a withdrawal.

The risk of the military going after them and sorting it all out risks escalating the whole thing. Therefore, the best option is for the killers to be either taken out by their own or caught and tried by the police and court system.

Jamz3k

Can the same Anti-Terrorist laws that help defend us from Mohammad and Alla not be used in the same way again Paddy and Seamus?

The Police "CAN" deal with this situation but to be honest if you were a Police officer knowing the state of the our courts would you bother risking your life, so these guys can be let back on the street within 10minutes?

jayb1970

Quite.

I'm not in the Army/Police Force so probably don't understand fully but from a "outsiders" point of view, why did no one shoot back? I realise that at some point it might have been difficult to tell who the perps were if they were all close together but surely as it came to an end there would have been someone running away. Would that have been a viable option? or are the guys on the gate not armed?

Leslie

As I said earlier-it is a very worrying business and I very much hope that the troubles don't start up all over again. I rememember that the stores of armaments possessed by the IRA was not allowed to be seen being "destroyed" by the authorities!

Les

Jamz3k

apparently the soldiers were all unarmed apart from a Civilian Guard who got frightened and would not fire. Some have called this cowardly but you don't know how you would react to a situation like this until your in it.

This isn't fact but merely what i've been told.

urban

iTrader: (1)

I think it all happened too fast and they were not prepared or armed.
Some may take this the wrong way and its not mean that way, but a lot of the security forces have had things pretty easy for a long time, and perhaps security was a bit lax at the base because of this.


I don't think they will start over again.
99.5% of the people here do not want that again.
The country has changed so much - for the better - and still continues to change.
There has been massive investment here.

Yes, we have some ********* intent on causing trouble.
However no one really knows how many of these ****** exist, intelligence suggests 200 - 300.
I don't know how much of that is guesstimate or based on knowledge.

I grew up in the thick of things unfortunately, I remember what it was like seeing places getting blown to smiterines.
I've had 3 friends killed because of these murdering ******, one of which was a very good friend and was blown up whilst on duty.

Shaun

Prasius

iTrader: (1)

Because of the "peace" in Northern Ireland - they basically have civilians on the gates of military bases in N Ireland now - armed with nothing more than a 9mm pistol; if I saw two guys with assault rifles firing and I only had a pistol - I'd probably keep my head down as well.

In contrast, EVERY military barracks in England, Scotland and Wales will have Soldiers armed with rifles on the gate who most certainly would have engaged. It was an exceptionally soft target for them to hit, with next to no risk of them being apprehended or shot.

This is simply another example of the Government bending over for the republicans, and putting peoples lives at risk in order to pretend that life in N Ireland is "normalised".

Mind you - seeing as the "Peace" in N Ireland has been so successful, we should be able to declare peace in Afghanistan now and I can come home a bit early The fact that people are still getting shot is a mere minor issue for Labour obviously

Jamz3k

I think you'll find that there is Peace in Northern Ireland at this moment in time, you cannot judge an entire country by the deeds carried out by a small rebel group.

I know i feel safer in Northern Ireland than what the news protrays England as.

Prasius

iTrader: (1)

The difference is Jamz3k, Belfast has a population roughly the same size as what? Norwich? And is mainly rural - so in total probably has a similar population and demographic to say, Norfolk and Suffolk?? It's hardly Birmingham or Manchester...

Now, excuse me for saying this - but I don't remember the last time a pipe bomb was found there, or some kid was nailed to a wooden gate...

While N Ireland is far better than it used to be, I think saying that it's peaceful is a bit of a stretch; even if those involved in RIRA, CIRA, and the list of utterly inept "loyalist" groupings are nothing more than drug dealing thugs who cling onto the political reasoning as justification and protection for when they get caught.

Prasius

iTrader: (1)

The difference is Jamz3k, Belfast has a population roughly the same size as what? Norwich? And is mainly rural - so in total probably has a similar population and demographic to say, Norfolk and Suffolk?? It's hardly Birmingham or Manchester...

Now, excuse me for saying this - but I don't remember the last time a pipe bomb was found there, or some kid was nailed to a wooden gate...

While N Ireland is far better than it used to be, I think saying that it's peaceful is a bit of a stretch; even if those involved in RIRA, CIRA, and the list of utterly inept "loyalist" groupings are nothing more than drug dealing thugs who cling onto the political reasoning as justification and protection for when they get caught.

Jamz3k

whilst i don't completely disagree with you, a day actually doesn't go by that the newspapers don't have someone from sunny england murdered/shot. And it wasn't that long ago a police officer was knifed i believe.

Did you or did you's not suffer from terrorist attacks in September 11th? funnily you's did cus i was there at the time.

And i for one definitely think Northern Ireland is a peaceful place which has come along way in very few years!

where do u think the inept "loyalist" groups get their drugs from?

Jamz3k

and yes, i am being a wee bit defensive

I just love my wee country

which is alot more than what alot of mainlanders say

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Tell the Islamic Extremists that the "Real" IRA insulted the Prophet Mohammed, you know cartoons of him and sh1te like that, job done.

Its a real shame, thought it had all finally, through massive political efforts, massive community efforts come to an end and all it takes is a few nutters that want things to be like the "good old days" when they had a point and a purpose, when they were feared and mysterious, hunger strikes, things exploding almost daily, dead soldiers for goalposts, isnt it, hmmmm

Sorry boys but its never going to happen, despite all that effort back in the day, all those graves were for nothing, all it caused was grief and all a new wave will do is cause more dead bodies but no change.

finalzero

Hit the nail on the head, that's the same problem here in the UK with religious fanatics as well as the nutters in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Palestine... we as humans seem to relish in violence - pity

mervil

iTrader: (5)

Being an ex Sapper myself, I've walked through those gates of Massereene Barracks hundreds of times, stood there wating for taxis, takeaways etc. What happened on Saturday night was the worst cowardly attack on Security Forces in NI for years. Made me phsically sick as I still have mates based over there. What I saw during my time there was a country who were getting back to normality and I enjoyed my time there, travelling all over the province, the locals were extremely friendly, there were the odd bad egg who gave the abuse but that was it.

To go back to this sort of violence is unforgiveable, they need capturing and a suitable punishment given, prison wont teach these ***** a lesson!! Never thought I'd see headlines like that again!!

RIP guys

+Doc+

Why now and why them?
RIP