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16 March 2009, 05:16 PM
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No, not quite they do not threaten, they just kill you, or burn you with acid or to death if female and want such outrageous things as an education or not to marry a 70 y/o when you are a 13 y/o girl.
The nerve of some people, now back to your cave and get washing them Burkas!
The nerve of some people, now back to your cave and get washing them Burkas!
16 March 2009, 05:16 PM
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The coment 'Thats what the Taleban do' implied that either myself or riosingh support or defend the taleban if this was not the implication than why on earth make that comment ?
If riosingh (a sikh) was a Taleban supporter then the coment would have some basis as he is not it reads to me like an insinuation.
If riosingh (a sikh) was a Taleban supporter then the coment would have some basis as he is not it reads to me like an insinuation.
If you are referring to ScoobyL's comment on the taliban then it is up to them to reply as i do not read minds i could offer an IMHO but that would not help.
16 March 2009, 05:19 PM
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Why do you feel the need to point out riosingh is a Sikh (with a capital 'S' BTW), what relevance or bearing does this have?
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16 March 2009, 05:25 PM
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Depends on the person Paul , some people like to wave the card when ever possible
16 March 2009, 05:25 PM
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our troops shouldnt of been in there in the first place the afganies are no threat to me or my family,
im more scared of the police than taliban,
people are scared of walking the streets of tottenham or london or even manchester. hospital emergency rooms waiting times 3-4 hours on average.
knife and gun crime gone up.
drugs are used more.
and there much more we started with the taliban. i dont give a crap about america they dont do nothing for me or my family.
im more scared of the police than taliban,
people are scared of walking the streets of tottenham or london or even manchester. hospital emergency rooms waiting times 3-4 hours on average.
knife and gun crime gone up.
drugs are used more.
and there much more we started with the taliban. i dont give a crap about america they dont do nothing for me or my family.
16 March 2009, 05:30 PM
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As my post was response to someones comments (as quoted) then i think most people have the capacity to work out that the comment is aimed at the person being replied to - not rocket science is it
Why do you feel the need to point out riosingh is a Sikh (with a capital 'S' BTW), what relevance or bearing does this have?
Why do you feel the need to point out riosingh is a Sikh (with a capital 'S' BTW), what relevance or bearing does this have?
16 March 2009, 05:31 PM
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16 March 2009, 05:34 PM
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At no point did I accuse either of being Taliban members.
16 March 2009, 05:45 PM
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My post was to outline the whole reason we're over there, trying to give the people of Afganistan a future that does not revolve around training terrorists and alowing the Taliban to supress it's people... and by attacking bluenose with a throw away comment about killing people who do not agree with him seamed petty and required a comment.
At no point did I accuse either of being Taliban members.
At no point did I accuse either of being Taliban members.
16 March 2009, 06:13 PM
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According to radio1 today; 6/10 people aren't convinced with the reasons we are in Afghanistan. Then someone from the army, came on to say how the negative public opinion, was not good for morale. A lady who lost someone said we shouldn't be policing the world.
I think after 911 most people were in support of rooting out Osama and his fellow ex-CIA operatives.
But then for bul****e reasons we attacked Iraq.
I think after 911 most people were in support of rooting out Osama and his fellow ex-CIA operatives.
But then for bul****e reasons we attacked Iraq.
16 March 2009, 06:17 PM
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My post was to outline the whole reason we're over there, trying to give the people of Afganistan a future that does not revolve around training terrorists and alowing the Taliban to supress it's people... and by attacking bluenose with a throw away comment about killing people who do not agree with him seamed petty and required a comment.
At no point did I accuse either of being Taliban members.
At no point did I accuse either of being Taliban members.
fair play ok lets all get back to the topic there is a saying in arabic sort your house out before you sort your neighbours house. why is my taxes been waisted in afghanistan when im living here can some one explain to me? we started with them. i dont remmember afghanistan or taliban bombing the uk does anyone in here?
16 March 2009, 06:18 PM
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Even more reason to support our troups in my books.... do we want another vietnam when US citizens disowned their troups?.. God forbid we're better than that.
16 March 2009, 06:19 PM
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According to radio1 today; 6/10 people aren't convinced with the reasons we are in Afghanistan. Then someone from the army, came on to say how the negative public opinion, was not good for morale. A lady who lost someone said we shouldn't be policing the world.
I think after 911 most people were in support of rooting out Osama and his fellow ex-CIA operatives.
But then for bul****e reasons we attacked Iraq.
I think after 911 most people were in support of rooting out Osama and his fellow ex-CIA operatives.
But then for bul****e reasons we attacked Iraq.
well said matey finaly some one that sees both sides of the coin
16 March 2009, 06:23 PM
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we all know the americans are a bunch bullies, if they jump of a cliff should we do it too???
the war against vietnam or japan was the americans just been bullies, it all comes down to absaloute power and control.
16 March 2009, 06:26 PM
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Do you think they are chasing Osama's shadow? or just grasping at straws and targeting everything middle Eastern...
Pakistan still has Taliban training camps inside her boarders, it seams that country is compromised beyond belief when it comes to Western/Eastern politics
Pakistan still has Taliban training camps inside her boarders, it seams that country is compromised beyond belief when it comes to Western/Eastern politics
16 March 2009, 06:27 PM
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i think the war against Japan started with the Japs bombing Pearl Harbour
16 March 2009, 06:30 PM
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but they leporised and shunned all Viet servicemen on their return because they didn't want to admit to themselves it was their doing... I'm saying we're better than that.. our troups deserve our support...without question.... it's the government's job to sort this mess out... lobby them not the troups...
16 March 2009, 06:44 PM
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Probably right...
but they leporised and shunned all Viet servicemen on their return because they didn't want to admit to themselves it was their doing... I'm saying we're better than that.. our troups deserve our support...without question.... it's the government's job to sort this mess out... lobby them not the troups...
but they leporised and shunned all Viet servicemen on their return because they didn't want to admit to themselves it was their doing... I'm saying we're better than that.. our troups deserve our support...without question.... it's the government's job to sort this mess out... lobby them not the troups...
16 March 2009, 06:49 PM
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that war clearly doesnt benfit any of us here and most of us a tax payers. thats whats pissing me of the government does what it wants if you carried out a survey up and down the country 90% of people wouldnt want war any person in the right state of mind wouldnt want war.
sorry to sound rude but frankly im sick of it.
sorry to sound rude but frankly im sick of it.
16 March 2009, 06:55 PM
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i feel sorry for all the lifes lost on both sides if anything the government should send over PEOPLE THAT ARE SPENDING LIFE SENTENCE IN PRISONS TO GO AND FIGHT WARS NOT YOUNG PEOPLE THAT DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE CONFLICT IS ABOUT.
16 March 2009, 07:00 PM
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Right,
Back from work and can finally post, cant at work as MOD has blocked it,lol
If i offended anyone by wanting to shoot the taliban, i apologise but still would within the rules of engagement.
The reason i said it was that i get really angry with ppl tryig to slag off any of the forces for what we are doing abroad.
Make no mistake here, none of us want to be there fighting day to day for what the government tell us, however that is my job and i will do it with no complaints as i was the one that chose that career path.no one else.
I do not dislike Muslims or any other religious people and its peoples right to protest, however their protests should be aimed at the ones in charge, no other.
There are certain trolls who shall remain nameless but appear at every thread on Iraq etc and have lists of cut and paste statements that they put in when the thread was nothing to do with what their views are, you cannot have ANY forces thread up here without someone having a go.maybe i should not rise to it and bite my tounge,lol
If i offended anyone i am sorry, it was not meant, so please accept my apologies to all except La bang Prang or whoever it is as you are a troller of all threads Military.
P.s Thanks Paul
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Back from work and can finally post, cant at work as MOD has blocked it,lol
If i offended anyone by wanting to shoot the taliban, i apologise but still would within the rules of engagement.
The reason i said it was that i get really angry with ppl tryig to slag off any of the forces for what we are doing abroad.
Make no mistake here, none of us want to be there fighting day to day for what the government tell us, however that is my job and i will do it with no complaints as i was the one that chose that career path.no one else.
I do not dislike Muslims or any other religious people and its peoples right to protest, however their protests should be aimed at the ones in charge, no other.
There are certain trolls who shall remain nameless but appear at every thread on Iraq etc and have lists of cut and paste statements that they put in when the thread was nothing to do with what their views are, you cannot have ANY forces thread up here without someone having a go.maybe i should not rise to it and bite my tounge,lol
If i offended anyone i am sorry, it was not meant, so please accept my apologies to all except La bang Prang or whoever it is as you are a troller of all threads Military.
P.s Thanks Paul
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16 March 2009, 07:14 PM
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Right,
Back from work and can finally post, cant at work as MOD has blocked it,lol
If i offended anyone by wanting to shoot the taliban, i apologise but still would within the rules of engagement.
The reason i said it was that i get really angry with ppl tryig to slag off any of the forces for what we are doing abroad.
Make no mistake here, none of us want to be there fighting day to day for what the government tell us, however that is my job and i will do it with no complaints as i was the one that chose that career path.no one else.
I do not dislike Muslims or any other religious people and its peoples right to protest, however their protests should be aimed at the ones in charge, no other.
There are certain trolls who shall remain nameless but appear at every thread on Iraq etc and have lists of cut and paste statements that they put in when the thread was nothing to do with what their views are, you cannot have ANY forces thread up here without someone having a go.maybe i should not rise to it and bite my tounge,lol
If i offended anyone i am sorry, it was not meant, so please accept my apologies to all except La bang Prang or whoever it is as you are a troller of all threads Military.
P.s Thanks Paul
Mac
Back from work and can finally post, cant at work as MOD has blocked it,lol
If i offended anyone by wanting to shoot the taliban, i apologise but still would within the rules of engagement.
The reason i said it was that i get really angry with ppl tryig to slag off any of the forces for what we are doing abroad.
Make no mistake here, none of us want to be there fighting day to day for what the government tell us, however that is my job and i will do it with no complaints as i was the one that chose that career path.no one else.
I do not dislike Muslims or any other religious people and its peoples right to protest, however their protests should be aimed at the ones in charge, no other.
There are certain trolls who shall remain nameless but appear at every thread on Iraq etc and have lists of cut and paste statements that they put in when the thread was nothing to do with what their views are, you cannot have ANY forces thread up here without someone having a go.maybe i should not rise to it and bite my tounge,lol
If i offended anyone i am sorry, it was not meant, so please accept my apologies to all except La bang Prang or whoever it is as you are a troller of all threads Military.
P.s Thanks Paul
Mac
thats a very good speech and very brave i totaly respect that you have to do your job, i think maybe you would of been better as a police officer as you would of been more use to this country than been in the other side of the world fighting a silly conflict.
a soldiers duety is to protect his country and unfortunately follow orders. i understand where your coming from and i respect it as it not an easy job to do. but my personal opinion is we shouldnt be there in the first place.
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i think you and lua should kiss and make up lol and agree to disagree and both of you to respect eachothers views and opinions.
peace
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16 March 2009, 08:39 PM
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Right, lets get things right shall we.
The "War in Afghanistan" led by the US in 2001, was a direct response to the 9/11 attacks, its purpose was to capture Osama bin Laden, destroy al-Qaeda, and remove the Taliban regime, also, if any other nation maintained or supported al-Qaeda in any of itss forms, they to would be subjected to military action.
There are also two military operations going on in Afghanistan, these were going to go ahead (in different forms) regardless of the 9/11 attacks, these are..
and
All ops ground forces have mostly been supplied by the United Islamic Front for the Salvation of Afghanistan (Northern Alliance) created by the Islamic State of Afghanistan to fight against the Taliban. These people, the mujahideen fighters had previously defeated the communist government but were defeated over a decade ago by the Taliban. They are not perfect due to breaches of human rights that have been reported, which is another reason NATO are there, but infinitely better than the Taliban/Al Qaeda/IMU.
Mus, if you are saying the Coalition (40+ country's) shouldn't be there, then I believe you don't actually know why we are there in the first place. It is insanely complex, but one thing is for sure, if the Coalition (which we are apart of) were not there along side the Northern Alliance and the Afghan security forces, there would be anarchy.
Civil war in Afghanistan (1992?1996)
The "War in Afghanistan" led by the US in 2001, was a direct response to the 9/11 attacks, its purpose was to capture Osama bin Laden, destroy al-Qaeda, and remove the Taliban regime, also, if any other nation maintained or supported al-Qaeda in any of itss forms, they to would be subjected to military action.
There are also two military operations going on in Afghanistan, these were going to go ahead (in different forms) regardless of the 9/11 attacks, these are..
Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF) is a United States combat operation involving some coalition partners and currently operating primarily in the eastern and southern parts of the country along the Pakistan border
The second operation is the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), initially established by the UN Security Council at the end of December 2001 to secure Kabul and its surroundings.
Mus, if you are saying the Coalition (40+ country's) shouldn't be there, then I believe you don't actually know why we are there in the first place. It is insanely complex, but one thing is for sure, if the Coalition (which we are apart of) were not there along side the Northern Alliance and the Afghan security forces, there would be anarchy.
Civil war in Afghanistan (1992?1996)
17 March 2009, 02:16 AM
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Personally i would like to congratulate our troops fighting in Afghanistan serving queen and country.
The fact they are coming home and having these shoe throwing idiots being allowed to abuse them on our own streets is a disgrace and an outrage , Everyone of them should have been arrested and deported.
The fact they are coming home and having these shoe throwing idiots being allowed to abuse them on our own streets is a disgrace and an outrage , Everyone of them should have been arrested and deported.
17 March 2009, 03:51 AM
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That is an outrage. People need to realize that soldiers do not decide the policies of their government and join the military for many different reasons. Besides, regardless if their mission could be a negative one, it does not mean they are acting in a horrific manner as these protesters are implying
17 March 2009, 06:06 AM
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How about this as a "concept" just to invoke some thought
WMD - We knew they were there because we sold them to Saddam in the first place, in the 70's.
Apparently it was us, the Western World who were partially instumental in Saddam's rise to power as well and when he started getting a bit silly we, decided to dispose of his little regime and put him back in his box so to speak.
And while we were at it, we "secretly" got rid (on the quiet - ssshhhh) of all the WMD as well, as ultimately, there are only a few places that make these things after all. It's not like you can go to the local WMD supermarket and pick your favourite Nuke and get one free, so it could stand to reason that the signature/markings/serial numbers were traceable back to the US/UK Government.
Not withstanding though, To demonstrate against British Troops on a home coming parade is just despicable.
As has been said, in this country you have the right to protest against what you like, and I have no problem with that but imo, this was not protesting against the war, these guys were personally attacking the Poachers to get nothing more than media attention to highlight "Their Cause"
I would be interested to see out of all those Anti-War/Soldiers protesters who class themselves as British and have lived here all their lives, how many of them have actually been to Iraq and have actually seen British Soldiers killing babies in Basrah - I could take a wild guess at this one and comfortably state that none of them have, they are just talking sh!te.
To physically drive out of the gates at SLB brings an incredible range of emotions for all Soldiers involved, many of those emotions your average civvy has no concept or grasp of, but it's not his fault, he's not done it. Probably 80% of your serving Soldiers have done it though.
So for those civvies to sit in their fat, comfortable armchair's or protesters (who protest about something they have been told to protest about by someone who is not even there - the instigators are rarely about to get themselves in trouble) and moan about what they are seeing on the news (because thats all they see and know of the Iraq situation) and then think they are qualified to target a British Soldier and tell him what a bad man he is - You have no idea what you are talking about.
riosingh: You have stated earlier in this thread that you take offence to the statement of ‘go back to your own country, if you don’t agree with us’ sentiment.
Well, tbh, I don't personally see that as being applicable to you, you have stated that you are a business man (successfull at that) and are a regular tax payer, in the same way that I am.
That to me gives you the same rights as I get, the point i'm trying to make, is that it's not the guys who come here and make things work for themselves, who have the accumen to create a living for themselves at the stupidity of the lazy that the majority of the public have an issue with, it's the "spongers" who come here with **** all, want everything for nothing, and then try to tell us how we should run our country and that we should stop offending them by waving the Union Jack in their faces, why shouldn't we.
It's our national flag, and we ARE proud of it and of what it means.
(this is not a pop at you Rio, just an observation and my opinion)
JonMc: When were you at UQ mate? Spent 6 months there on T7
WMD - We knew they were there because we sold them to Saddam in the first place, in the 70's.
Apparently it was us, the Western World who were partially instumental in Saddam's rise to power as well and when he started getting a bit silly we, decided to dispose of his little regime and put him back in his box so to speak.
And while we were at it, we "secretly" got rid (on the quiet - ssshhhh) of all the WMD as well, as ultimately, there are only a few places that make these things after all. It's not like you can go to the local WMD supermarket and pick your favourite Nuke and get one free, so it could stand to reason that the signature/markings/serial numbers were traceable back to the US/UK Government.
Not withstanding though, To demonstrate against British Troops on a home coming parade is just despicable.
As has been said, in this country you have the right to protest against what you like, and I have no problem with that but imo, this was not protesting against the war, these guys were personally attacking the Poachers to get nothing more than media attention to highlight "Their Cause"
I would be interested to see out of all those Anti-War/Soldiers protesters who class themselves as British and have lived here all their lives, how many of them have actually been to Iraq and have actually seen British Soldiers killing babies in Basrah - I could take a wild guess at this one and comfortably state that none of them have, they are just talking sh!te.
To physically drive out of the gates at SLB brings an incredible range of emotions for all Soldiers involved, many of those emotions your average civvy has no concept or grasp of, but it's not his fault, he's not done it. Probably 80% of your serving Soldiers have done it though.
So for those civvies to sit in their fat, comfortable armchair's or protesters (who protest about something they have been told to protest about by someone who is not even there - the instigators are rarely about to get themselves in trouble) and moan about what they are seeing on the news (because thats all they see and know of the Iraq situation) and then think they are qualified to target a British Soldier and tell him what a bad man he is - You have no idea what you are talking about.
riosingh: You have stated earlier in this thread that you take offence to the statement of ‘go back to your own country, if you don’t agree with us’ sentiment.
Well, tbh, I don't personally see that as being applicable to you, you have stated that you are a business man (successfull at that) and are a regular tax payer, in the same way that I am.
That to me gives you the same rights as I get, the point i'm trying to make, is that it's not the guys who come here and make things work for themselves, who have the accumen to create a living for themselves at the stupidity of the lazy that the majority of the public have an issue with, it's the "spongers" who come here with **** all, want everything for nothing, and then try to tell us how we should run our country and that we should stop offending them by waving the Union Jack in their faces, why shouldn't we.
It's our national flag, and we ARE proud of it and of what it means.
(this is not a pop at you Rio, just an observation and my opinion)
JonMc: When were you at UQ mate? Spent 6 months there on T7
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I think this is one case where every one can’t or won’t see other people’s point of view.
The Muslim protestors can’t see (or don’t care) that that solders aren’t policy makers. And how there vicious name calling offends everyone.
The general public can’t see that the Muslims are protesting about what they feel are injustices.
Also the average white person can’t see how raciest comments offend, average non-extremist brown people.
Anti war protesters can’t see how the name calling is hurtful to the solders. (No matter if it was a peaceful protest or not).
I think the inability to understand each others needs is the major problem here.
Not just here but in everyday life.
E.g. when a husband comes home from work with a million things on his mind, all he wants is to sit in peace. Where as the wife after looking after the kids all day wants him to interact with her and the kids. Each has needs, but each is unable to acknowledge, much less understand the needs of the other.
The Muslim protestors can’t see (or don’t care) that that solders aren’t policy makers. And how there vicious name calling offends everyone.
The general public can’t see that the Muslims are protesting about what they feel are injustices.
Also the average white person can’t see how raciest comments offend, average non-extremist brown people.
Anti war protesters can’t see how the name calling is hurtful to the solders. (No matter if it was a peaceful protest or not).
I think the inability to understand each others needs is the major problem here.
Not just here but in everyday life.
E.g. when a husband comes home from work with a million things on his mind, all he wants is to sit in peace. Where as the wife after looking after the kids all day wants him to interact with her and the kids. Each has needs, but each is unable to acknowledge, much less understand the needs of the other.
