Solders returning from Afghanistan abused...
12 March 2009, 02:36 PM
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I know the RAFR lads are good soldiers I was just chipping away at Luke for spouting his nonsense.
As for Plymouth its a hell of a place. Many a good night there. I remember drinking in "the bank" and had some proper ding dongs myself, mainly in Blondes nightclub . No idea if they are still there.
One of our lads got a proper battering in there by a few of the doormen.
Our OC more or less ordered us to go back their to get some good old fashioned payback.
One of my favourite haunts was the Fortesque in Mutley Plain I'm still in contact with the landlord at the time who lives in the states now.
Got many happy memories from those days. Some fecking awful ones too. I've been out nearly as long as I was in and to this day I miss it.
It just gets right up my nose when people slag our forces men and women off especially as in Luke's case they claim to be ex forces themselves.
As for Plymouth its a hell of a place. Many a good night there. I remember drinking in "the bank" and had some proper ding dongs myself, mainly in Blondes nightclub . No idea if they are still there.
One of our lads got a proper battering in there by a few of the doormen.
Our OC more or less ordered us to go back their to get some good old fashioned payback.
One of my favourite haunts was the Fortesque in Mutley Plain I'm still in contact with the landlord at the time who lives in the states now.
Got many happy memories from those days. Some fecking awful ones too. I've been out nearly as long as I was in and to this day I miss it.
It just gets right up my nose when people slag our forces men and women off especially as in Luke's case they claim to be ex forces themselves.
As for Luke, he was a Rodney(so it sounds), so he will have no idea if the Regiment boys are good soldiers or not!!
12 March 2009, 02:49 PM
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The last time I wore mine in Public was for a corps bet.
I had to stand on table in an Aldershot Pub, stick on my green lid and announce Para's were *******.
I got biggest hiding I have ever had or ever will have.
Broken Jaw, six weeks carrying side cutters in my pocket incase I puked.
But I got £50 from everyman in my troop, a pat on the back from the CO and a plaque on the ranks mess wall that was there for a good few years after I left.
Happy days
I had to stand on table in an Aldershot Pub, stick on my green lid and announce Para's were *******.
I got biggest hiding I have ever had or ever will have.
Broken Jaw, six weeks carrying side cutters in my pocket incase I puked.
But I got £50 from everyman in my troop, a pat on the back from the CO and a plaque on the ranks mess wall that was there for a good few years after I left.
Happy days
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12 March 2009, 04:39 PM
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It was/is sanctioned by the UN Security Council and it is not an illegal war either, if you think that is the case.
12 March 2009, 04:48 PM
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Another interesting fact for you, after the invasion was finished and saddam toppled Iraq tried to hold elections for local candidates to represent them. These people elected, by Iraqis were denied the right to a political say so by allied troops as the US corporations did not want Iraqis to have any say about the economic reforms that were used to steal Iraq's resouces and gift them to American corporations.
12 March 2009, 04:53 PM
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Another interesting fact for you, after the invasion was finished and saddam toppled Iraq tried to hold elections for local candidates to represent them. These people elected, by Iraqis were denied the right to a political say so by allied troops as the US corporations did not want Iraqis to have any say about the economic reforms that were used to steal Iraq's resouces and gift them to American corporations.
12 March 2009, 05:51 PM
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The facts are that Iraqis tried to start genuine democracy, another fact was that the 'Coalition of the willing' did not allow this to happen, another fact is that the Americans refused to use Iraqi companies to bid on the process of rebuilding. Another fact is that America gave to rights to Iraqi oil to western companies and guranteed them complete withdrwal of funds tax free. Those are all facts. The reasons why this happend are open to debate but I think these facts are only open to a single interpretation.
1441 states what munitions Iraq can have and what Iraq has to do to prove that it has decomissioned and got rid off weapons not allowed by 14441. It details what access inspector have, how many rockets of differeing types Iraq can have etc. It does not in any way allow for an invasion if the terms of the resolution are not all met. Given the exhaustive list of prohibitions it was never going to have been 100 percent complied with any way. The Americans just decided that non compliance of 100 percent of 1441 was an excuse for war if we took this logic with every UN resolution we would be at non-stop war around the world with Israel starting first. THe vote to invade was never taken by the UN and as such made the war illegal. The reason the propsed resolution about invasion was nover voted on was that many countries were agianst it and France and russia stated that they would Veto it on the basis that weapons inspectors found no evidence that Iraq had or was building WMD. The violations were mostly related to things like rocket ranges being over the 150km at up to 180-200km and other largley irrelevant details.
1441 states what munitions Iraq can have and what Iraq has to do to prove that it has decomissioned and got rid off weapons not allowed by 14441. It details what access inspector have, how many rockets of differeing types Iraq can have etc. It does not in any way allow for an invasion if the terms of the resolution are not all met. Given the exhaustive list of prohibitions it was never going to have been 100 percent complied with any way. The Americans just decided that non compliance of 100 percent of 1441 was an excuse for war if we took this logic with every UN resolution we would be at non-stop war around the world with Israel starting first. THe vote to invade was never taken by the UN and as such made the war illegal. The reason the propsed resolution about invasion was nover voted on was that many countries were agianst it and France and russia stated that they would Veto it on the basis that weapons inspectors found no evidence that Iraq had or was building WMD. The violations were mostly related to things like rocket ranges being over the 150km at up to 180-200km and other largley irrelevant details.
12 March 2009, 06:12 PM
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But I do remember that after the march on parliament, Tony Blair went out to convince the British public about the legitimacy of the war. And his key argument was the weapons of mass destruction that could destroy us in 45 mins. He lied.
It was a fabrication. And for this deceit he lost his job.
I can’t say for sure what this war was really about, but I’m sure that the second biggest oil reserve in the world had some thing to do with it.
A rubber stamp from the UN doesn’t change the fact that he lied.
But don’t get me wrong, I’m really grateful to all our boys and girls who died out there, and served out there so that I could have cheap petrol. I drive a powerful car and she gets through a bit. I just wish that the region would stabilise, so that we can enjoy the fruits of you labour. That’s what the ******* in me thinks.
The human in me thinks we should have done more to stop this happening.
You have to ask your self, was all this sacrifice worth a steak in the second biggest oil reserve in the world. Who knows?
12 March 2009, 06:19 PM
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12 March 2009, 07:13 PM
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'kin ell! Not sure I like the idea of our troops setting on each other for the sake of a bit of banter! Surely that kind of thing is par for the course?
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If you think the banter thing is bad you should play in a Para's versus Marines chrarity Rugby match or game of Murder ball
LOL at Fortesque being a gay pub, fecking never knew that!!!
I ended up being good friends with the landlord and his lovely american wife Liz. They now live in LA.
But no good me trying to defend it the damage has already been done LOL
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12 March 2009, 07:20 PM
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Lincoln has come through for our lads.....
Maybe the bayonets put them off?
Two hundred soldiers from the 2nd Battalion the Royal Anglian Regiment marched with colours flying, drums beating and bayonets fixed for their homecoming parade through Lincoln today.
And an estimated 6,000 family members, friends and well-wishers turned out to welcome them home from Iraq.
And an estimated 6,000 family members, friends and well-wishers turned out to welcome them home from Iraq.
Unlike a recent parade in Luton, there was no sign of trouble or protest on Lincoln's streets.
12 March 2009, 09:09 PM
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Still there's no surprises there.
Pete's neg ratings on his post have risen to 3394 at the time of writing.
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12 March 2009, 09:23 PM
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If I don't get red ratings on the Mail site I would start to worry, unless its a carefully constructed dig designed to get green ones. Typically Mail readers are too thick to spot those. If you know what to look for, it happens quite a lot
Its comical the double standards that happen there. When the BNP list got revealed, there was outrage amongst right wingers that some people might lose their jobs for it. A few months later, those same people are screaming for someone to lose thier job for exactly the same reasons
It was a misguided and somewhat foolish demo. But, they were within their rights to do it, one of the boons of living in a free democracy, y'see.
12 March 2009, 10:52 PM
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The facts are that Iraqis tried to start genuine democracy, another fact was that the 'Coalition of the willing' did not allow this to happen, another fact is that the Americans refused to use Iraqi companies to bid on the process of rebuilding. Another fact is that America gave to rights to Iraqi oil to western companies and guranteed them complete withdrwal of funds tax free. Those are all facts. The reasons why this happend are open to debate but I think these facts are only open to a single interpretation.
1441 states what munitions Iraq can have and what Iraq has to do to prove that it has decomissioned and got rid off weapons not allowed by 14441. It details what access inspector have, how many rockets of differeing types Iraq can have etc. It does not in any way allow for an invasion if the terms of the resolution are not all met. Given the exhaustive list of prohibitions it was never going to have been 100 percent complied with any way. The Americans just decided that non compliance of 100 percent of 1441 was an excuse for war if we took this logic with every UN resolution we would be at non-stop war around the world with Israel starting first. THe vote to invade was never taken by the UN and as such made the war illegal. The reason the propsed resolution about invasion was nover voted on was that many countries were agianst it and France and russia stated that they would Veto it on the basis that weapons inspectors found no evidence that Iraq had or was building WMD. The violations were mostly related to things like rocket ranges being over the 150km at up to 180-200km and other largley irrelevant details.
1441 states what munitions Iraq can have and what Iraq has to do to prove that it has decomissioned and got rid off weapons not allowed by 14441. It details what access inspector have, how many rockets of differeing types Iraq can have etc. It does not in any way allow for an invasion if the terms of the resolution are not all met. Given the exhaustive list of prohibitions it was never going to have been 100 percent complied with any way. The Americans just decided that non compliance of 100 percent of 1441 was an excuse for war if we took this logic with every UN resolution we would be at non-stop war around the world with Israel starting first. THe vote to invade was never taken by the UN and as such made the war illegal. The reason the propsed resolution about invasion was nover voted on was that many countries were agianst it and France and russia stated that they would Veto it on the basis that weapons inspectors found no evidence that Iraq had or was building WMD. The violations were mostly related to things like rocket ranges being over the 150km at up to 180-200km and other largley irrelevant details.
Wondered how long it would be till you would make an appearance,every thread that appears with anything to do with Iraq AND Afganistan etc and you suddenly come out of the woodwork, no doubt the cut and pasting will begin.
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13 March 2009, 08:37 AM
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I've got no problem with them protesting...it's a democracy (slightly one sided sometimes I must admit)
But there is a time and a place for everything.... this protest was organised for maximum publicity and insult.. which has (again) created a "them and us" mentality... and will ultimatley lead to riots if not controlled and diffused by both sides of the community.
Next they will be attending the coffin parades in Wootton Bassett and cheering... what ever next..
But there is a time and a place for everything.... this protest was organised for maximum publicity and insult.. which has (again) created a "them and us" mentality... and will ultimatley lead to riots if not controlled and diffused by both sides of the community.
Next they will be attending the coffin parades in Wootton Bassett and cheering... what ever next..
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These ****ers would do well to remember they are merely guests on these shores and should buck up their ideas, if they plan to stay for the long haul.
Regardless of their thoughts on the war, they should engage what little brain cells they have and realise that these men and woman have been out there doing a job. One that the government we put in power sent them to do.
Regardless of their thoughts on the war, they should engage what little brain cells they have and realise that these men and woman have been out there doing a job. One that the government we put in power sent them to do.
13 March 2009, 10:47 PM
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These ****ers would do well to remember they are merely guests on these shores and should buck up their ideas, if they plan to stay for the long haul.
Regardless of their thoughts on the war, they should engage what little brain cells they have and realise that these men and woman have been out there doing a job. One that the government we put in power sent them to do.
Regardless of their thoughts on the war, they should engage what little brain cells they have and realise that these men and woman have been out there doing a job. One that the government we put in power sent them to do.
13 March 2009, 11:17 PM
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However i do think the Muslim community as a whole must put severe pressure on these isolated groups and ensure it doesn't grow into a bigger problem. (than it already is)
13 March 2009, 11:23 PM
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Would you prefer that I did not post without your prior approval ? Or is it just a matter of me posting only if it agrees with your view point ?
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Riosingh Kidda, some solid comments my man but I fear a bit too intelligent and truthful for most people on here.
But worrying, when this spreads out of the forum into the wider public arena, will we have a repeat of history because imo the racist brittian that everyone has worked hard to deny is still there and waiting to kick the "pakis" back home...
But worrying, when this spreads out of the forum into the wider public arena, will we have a repeat of history because imo the racist brittian that everyone has worked hard to deny is still there and waiting to kick the "pakis" back home...
14 March 2009, 01:49 PM
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the way i see it and what some people need to understand for every action theres a reaction, i have nothing against the soldiers as they are TRAINED to follow orders and they are only doing what they told they dont understand the poilitical side of things and they not trained in politics, i have a problem with the people that gave the order.
a lot of lifes were lost on both sides in iraq and all for what????iraq got baltently jacked robbed in other words, it all comes to more money more power and control the simple fact that saddam stoped following orders from the u.s
so much for freedom
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14 March 2009, 02:40 PM
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good question jp
the way i see it and what some people need to understand for every action theres a reaction, i have nothing against the soldiers as they are TRAINED to follow orders and they are only doing what they told they dont understand the poilitical side of things and they not trained in politics, i have a problem with the people that gave the order.
peace
the way i see it and what some people need to understand for every action theres a reaction, i have nothing against the soldiers as they are TRAINED to follow orders and they are only doing what they told they dont understand the poilitical side of things and they not trained in politics, i have a problem with the people that gave the order.
peace
TBH A Lot of Soldiers understand the political implications as they are not complete idiots, they also agree to serve queen and country (meaning the government in effect) and to follow their orders. The British Army is the best in the world, best soldiers and best trained anyway.
Disagreeing with something is fine, protesting and holding banners stating "baby killers" and "murderers go to hell" to brave soldiers returning from their tour is disgusting and disgraceful and bound to incite a equal or nastier response - do you not agree?
As i have stated numerous time before the protesters 'beef' is with the Government and that is who they should be protesting to/at
This disgusting and disgraceful display by UK Muslim extremist was uncalled for and unwanted and was always going to cause a big problem and maybe that was the idea in the first place. The problem was then compunded by the arrest of members of the pro soldier crowd for remonstrating with the extremists - another **** up by the Police and gov't!
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Salaam and peace be upon you and your family
TBH A Lot of Soldiers understand the political implications as they are not complete idiots, they also agree to serve queen and country (meaning the government in effect) and to follow their orders. The British Army is the best in the world, best soldiers and best trained anyway.
Disagreeing with something is fine, protesting and holding banners stating "baby killers" and "murderers go to hell" to brave soldiers returning from their tour is disgusting and disgraceful and bound to incite a equal or nastier response - do you not agree?
As i have stated numerous time before the protesters 'beef' is with the Government and that is who they should be protesting to/at
This disgusting and disgraceful display by UK Muslim extremist was uncalled for and unwanted and was always going to cause a big problem and maybe that was the idea in the first place. The problem was then compunded by the arrest of members of the pro soldier crowd for remonstrating with the extremists - another **** up by the Police and gov't!
TBH A Lot of Soldiers understand the political implications as they are not complete idiots, they also agree to serve queen and country (meaning the government in effect) and to follow their orders. The British Army is the best in the world, best soldiers and best trained anyway.
Disagreeing with something is fine, protesting and holding banners stating "baby killers" and "murderers go to hell" to brave soldiers returning from their tour is disgusting and disgraceful and bound to incite a equal or nastier response - do you not agree?
As i have stated numerous time before the protesters 'beef' is with the Government and that is who they should be protesting to/at
This disgusting and disgraceful display by UK Muslim extremist was uncalled for and unwanted and was always going to cause a big problem and maybe that was the idea in the first place. The problem was then compunded by the arrest of members of the pro soldier crowd for remonstrating with the extremists - another **** up by the Police and gov't!
walikum salam peace be upon you and your family
to be honest i do prefer the british army over the u.s, not been biased but when the u.s troops got exposed for the things they were doing to the iraqi people it was cruel.
theres two ways to look at it by putting banners up and saying baby killer etc,
the british troops might look at it and think what w*****s or they might look in to it and start looking at the other side of the coin and maybe try and understand why people are putting these harsh comments.
dont you love the way the media control things if anything islam related always gets massive headlines, while other things are tucked under the carpets. someone that doesnt understand the conflict would look at it and think "man i hate these muslims" sometimes i think its all cyclogical and the media does it on purpose to creat islamphobia.