Fedex MD-11 Crashes at Narita
23 March 2009, 04:39 PM
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Jumping into a thread and telling people to shut up as soon as their view differs from the majority is not how you do it.
As soon as someone questions the norm and sticks their head above the water on here the mods jump on them in an instant. Heavens forbid there be any heartfelt discussion or strongly held feelings.
As soon as someone questions the norm and sticks their head above the water on here the mods jump on them in an instant. Heavens forbid there be any heartfelt discussion or strongly held feelings.
23 March 2009, 04:57 PM
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I do find the BBC news feeds a bit too sensationalist. Theres two articles for the US plane crash, one suggesting the plane was manned and passengered entirely by children and the other suggesting a probe is required because something might be afoot. The "children die" headline irritates me. Terrible news from around the world seems to attract rather over the top journalism.
23 March 2009, 05:21 PM
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Sky news didn't do too well on the Fedex crash this time round.
Their headline being "Cargo Plane Bursts Into Flames In Tokyo"
Errm, no it crashed on landing, bursting into flames.
Sadly the 2 stories can almost be compared to 2 papers running a similar story about janet jackson's boob flash, and maybe Britney in the other.
1 with pictures, 1 without.... which will get the most reads ?
Loss of life is loss of life. Adult, child, male, female.......
23 March 2009, 08:55 PM
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Most of the accidents have been down to weather or in the case of the Swiss event, due to messing around with the IFE wiring.
24 March 2009, 11:11 PM
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I really like the MD-11/DC-10 series planes. It is a shame that it still has a bad rep. and still kills people, but it seems the reasons are very rarely technical.
Most of the accidents have been down to weather or in the case of the Swiss event, due to messing around with the IFE wiring.
Most of the accidents have been down to weather or in the case of the Swiss event, due to messing around with the IFE wiring.
I'd disagree with the "rarely techical" comment, the rear cargo door and it's inadequate locking pins for a start, it blew out on at least 2 planes and in doing do severed wiring, IIRC an AA aircraft made it down safely but the Turkish one didn't after leaving Paris. There was also the one in ORD where the AA DC-10 lost the port side engine on take off during rotation, again no one survived
DC-10 in a different guise, fighting fires
24 March 2009, 11:31 PM
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A pretty plane to look at but far too many accidents, these accidents made airlines choose other aircraft, the DC-10/MD-11 should have sold far more than they did, the lack of sales virtually finished McDonnell-Douglas off, Boeing ended up buying them out.
I'd disagree with the "rarely techical" comment, the rear cargo door and it's inadequate locking pins for a start, it blew out on at least 2 planes and in doing do severed wiring, IIRC an AA aircraft made it down safely but the Turkish one didn't after leaving Paris. There was also the one in ORD where the AA DC-10 lost the port side engine on take off during rotation, again no one survived
DC-10 in a different guise, fighting fires
I'd disagree with the "rarely techical" comment, the rear cargo door and it's inadequate locking pins for a start, it blew out on at least 2 planes and in doing do severed wiring, IIRC an AA aircraft made it down safely but the Turkish one didn't after leaving Paris. There was also the one in ORD where the AA DC-10 lost the port side engine on take off during rotation, again no one survived
DC-10 in a different guise, fighting fires
25 March 2009, 07:32 PM
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A pretty plane to look at but far too many accidents, these accidents made airlines choose other aircraft, the DC-10/MD-11 should have sold far more than they did, the lack of sales virtually finished McDonnell-Douglas off, Boeing ended up buying them out.
I'd disagree with the "rarely techical" comment, the rear cargo door and it's inadequate locking pins for a start, it blew out on at least 2 planes and in doing do severed wiring, IIRC an AA aircraft made it down safely but the Turkish one didn't after leaving Paris. There was also the one in ORD where the AA DC-10 lost the port side engine on take off during rotation, again no one survived
DC-10 in a different guise, fighting fires
I'd disagree with the "rarely techical" comment, the rear cargo door and it's inadequate locking pins for a start, it blew out on at least 2 planes and in doing do severed wiring, IIRC an AA aircraft made it down safely but the Turkish one didn't after leaving Paris. There was also the one in ORD where the AA DC-10 lost the port side engine on take off during rotation, again no one survived
DC-10 in a different guise, fighting fires
The engine loss was caused due to numpty dumbass people that forgot to replace the bolts and sorts when they replaced the engine........it did not fall off earlier by chance.
The Swiss crash was due to the fact that they did not perform the IFE upgrade in a proper manner and etc etc............
25 March 2009, 08:20 PM
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Having a chat with a mate (CPL) and he reckons the main gear on the left side was probably damaged on the initial touch down and that lead to the more serious failure on the second hit.
A really odd accident and not really the kind you can predict is going to happen till the last second, could have been a 747 with 400 pax.. gulp.
A really odd accident and not really the kind you can predict is going to happen till the last second, could have been a 747 with 400 pax.. gulp.
25 March 2009, 08:37 PM
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Having a chat with a mate (CPL) and he reckons the main gear on the left side was probably damaged on the initial touch down and that lead to the more serious failure on the second hit.
A really odd accident and not really the kind you can predict is going to happen till the last second, could have been a 747 with 400 pax.. gulp.
A really odd accident and not really the kind you can predict is going to happen till the last second, could have been a 747 with 400 pax.. gulp.
Will be interesting to read the report on this one.
25 March 2009, 08:43 PM
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Yup thats the understanding I had on it too.
Was actually saying at work on the morning after it happened, we (Fedex) know the planes are serviced well, and you always seem to expect the big crashes to be the smaller airlines that skip maintainance etc.....
Scary to think that a perfectly serviced and functioning plane, with a good crew can just fail like that with the right weather etc.
I know its pretty obvious it can happen, but just not the sort of thing that you imagine everyday. ( not non aviation people like me anyway lol)
Was actually saying at work on the morning after it happened, we (Fedex) know the planes are serviced well, and you always seem to expect the big crashes to be the smaller airlines that skip maintainance etc.....
Scary to think that a perfectly serviced and functioning plane, with a good crew can just fail like that with the right weather etc.
I know its pretty obvious it can happen, but just not the sort of thing that you imagine everyday. ( not non aviation people like me anyway lol)
25 March 2009, 09:11 PM
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It seems to have a slightly undesirable habit of bouncing, breaking and flipping.
Look at the pics in this link:
The McDonnell Douglas MD-11 Accident History
And compare with this pic of the Narita one:
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/...fpdxW/610x.jpg
I can't help thinking that it is lucky that most of them are freighters these days.
Look at the pics in this link:
The McDonnell Douglas MD-11 Accident History
And compare with this pic of the Narita one:
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/...fpdxW/610x.jpg
I can't help thinking that it is lucky that most of them are freighters these days.
27 March 2009, 05:52 PM
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Thought those in the aviation world might appreciate this.
An official communication received regarding the repatriation of the pilots from the crash.
An official communication received regarding the repatriation of the pilots from the crash.
As all of you know, one of the fallen pilots was based on San Antonio. First Officer Tony Pino is a retired Air Force officer and has been flying with FedEx for a little over 3 years. He usually flew international and was primarily flying out of ANC. On Friday the 13th of this month, Pino jumpseated out of San Antonio for the last time with a promise to his wife that he would be home Thursday the 26th. Today, we received about 12 of the Pino family and friends on the ramp along with 35 uniformed pilots and approx 70 of our FedEx family to fulfill that promise.
In Narita, Japan there were a number of pilots in full uniform to present the remains of both pilots to the aircraft and see the flight off. In Oakland for a “gas and go” there were 25+ full uniformed pilots that went up the stairs and paid respects to the fallen ones. In MEM a full color guard received the two and took them to a hangar where Fred Smith, Dave Bronczek and a large number of executives received 400-500 pilots and personnel that were bused to pay respects. My understanding is that Mr. Smith was there for the duration. People signed a book for each family.
After which, Captain Mosely was flown to Portland Oregon this morning where the Ramp Team received the family and had approx 80 employees lined up on the nose dock. Their operation was without any issues or concerns and was a very moving presentation according to the Senior Manager.
F/O Pino was taken to a MEM funeral home and escorted for 12 hours by 2 crew until time for the dayturn show time. A full honor presentation accompanied the loading. Flowers were also sent to the MEM funeral home and all of those were loaded on our flight 379 along with crewmen (2 were formal escorts). Our pilots were not ever left without escort from Japan until the funerals and will not be unless the family requests otherwise.
At San Antonio, it rained today until approx 1400hrs, skies cleared and the sun came out. It was a beautiful afternoon. We received the family and parked them on the tarmac at approx 1650hrs along with the guests and uniformed crew. We made arrangements to have the flight land on the closest runway and touched down straight across from our ramp with a perfect landing. The aircraft blocked at 1734hrs and the flowers from Mr. Smith (gorgeous 6’ tall arrangement) and the book signed by all in MEM were presented to the widow and 3 boys. Tony’s mother and other family were also present.
The body was covered with the American flag and the pilots and honor guard stayed at full attention then moved to salute when the pallet started in motion forward. It was lowered and the honor guard stepped up on the loader. Mrs. Pino came forward with her son, hugged the casket and spent a few moments with her late husband. She retreated and the transfer was completed to the hearse with proper respect and military bearing.
I have a ramp agent that indicated in his 32 years with FedEx it was the proudest moment he has experienced. Our FedEx Team did an exceptional job of honoring these two pilots and I am proud also to report that the SATR Team was able to finish equally strong. Our loader operator, stairs, marshaller and others were absolutely perfect in their execution. One of the pilots I authorized to be here was in full UPS uniform and he was absolutely awed by the respectfulness.
In Narita, Japan there were a number of pilots in full uniform to present the remains of both pilots to the aircraft and see the flight off. In Oakland for a “gas and go” there were 25+ full uniformed pilots that went up the stairs and paid respects to the fallen ones. In MEM a full color guard received the two and took them to a hangar where Fred Smith, Dave Bronczek and a large number of executives received 400-500 pilots and personnel that were bused to pay respects. My understanding is that Mr. Smith was there for the duration. People signed a book for each family.
After which, Captain Mosely was flown to Portland Oregon this morning where the Ramp Team received the family and had approx 80 employees lined up on the nose dock. Their operation was without any issues or concerns and was a very moving presentation according to the Senior Manager.
F/O Pino was taken to a MEM funeral home and escorted for 12 hours by 2 crew until time for the dayturn show time. A full honor presentation accompanied the loading. Flowers were also sent to the MEM funeral home and all of those were loaded on our flight 379 along with crewmen (2 were formal escorts). Our pilots were not ever left without escort from Japan until the funerals and will not be unless the family requests otherwise.
At San Antonio, it rained today until approx 1400hrs, skies cleared and the sun came out. It was a beautiful afternoon. We received the family and parked them on the tarmac at approx 1650hrs along with the guests and uniformed crew. We made arrangements to have the flight land on the closest runway and touched down straight across from our ramp with a perfect landing. The aircraft blocked at 1734hrs and the flowers from Mr. Smith (gorgeous 6’ tall arrangement) and the book signed by all in MEM were presented to the widow and 3 boys. Tony’s mother and other family were also present.
The body was covered with the American flag and the pilots and honor guard stayed at full attention then moved to salute when the pallet started in motion forward. It was lowered and the honor guard stepped up on the loader. Mrs. Pino came forward with her son, hugged the casket and spent a few moments with her late husband. She retreated and the transfer was completed to the hearse with proper respect and military bearing.
I have a ramp agent that indicated in his 32 years with FedEx it was the proudest moment he has experienced. Our FedEx Team did an exceptional job of honoring these two pilots and I am proud also to report that the SATR Team was able to finish equally strong. Our loader operator, stairs, marshaller and others were absolutely perfect in their execution. One of the pilots I authorized to be here was in full UPS uniform and he was absolutely awed by the respectfulness.
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