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08 April 2009, 06:10 PM
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How come a re-build still costs 2-3k on an old classic when thats all the cars worth in total 
will the price of a re-build ever come down to a sensible level? 
will the price of a re-build ever come down to a sensible level?
09 April 2009, 08:29 AM
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It's basically as the parts/labour for the rebuild will cost the same, whereas a second hand car with an increasing mileage has less sell-on value.
When the gearbox went in my old Scoob, Subaru said for all brandnew genuine replacement parts for a rebuild, I was looking at £2500, plus labour. API did me a reconditioned unit in a swap for my knackered one and £900 on top. It's the same for engines.
Simple really.
When the gearbox went in my old Scoob, Subaru said for all brandnew genuine replacement parts for a rebuild, I was looking at £2500, plus labour. API did me a reconditioned unit in a swap for my knackered one and £900 on top. It's the same for engines.
Simple really.
09 April 2009, 02:31 PM
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It's basically as the parts/labour for the rebuild will cost the same, whereas a second hand car with an increasing mileage has less sell-on value.
When the gearbox went in my old Scoob, Subaru said for all brandnew genuine replacement parts for a rebuild, I was looking at £2500, plus labour. API did me a reconditioned unit in a swap for my knackered one and £900 on top. It's the same for engines.
Simple really.
When the gearbox went in my old Scoob, Subaru said for all brandnew genuine replacement parts for a rebuild, I was looking at £2500, plus labour. API did me a reconditioned unit in a swap for my knackered one and £900 on top. It's the same for engines.
Simple really.
I see what you are saying but the parts should be alot cheaper than what they are for old classic's then. a friend of mine had he's 205 GTI engine fully re-built for £400
so should be 1k max for a classic i think.
09 April 2009, 05:36 PM
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You cannot do any crankshaft work on a Subaru engine without splitting the crank case. By that time, short of taking the valves out of the heads, there is nothing else to undo.
There are almost no aftermarket parts other than gaskets and seals available for it. Sure, ACL race crank bearings are cheaper than Subaru original, but not by enough to make much difference.
AND: many years ago, we tried aftermarket oil seals out and after the rear crank seal fell out of an engine twice, cos it was a gnats thingy too narrow in diameter to stay in place, we went back to genuine Subaru gaskets and seals. Twice we had to collect, repair and return the car to London, to a very pissed off customer, we figured that the saving wasn't worth the hassle.
As for the cost coming down, you need to talk to Subaru about the price of the parts.
A workmanlike repair can be done to most, if it is a crank problem, for somewhere in the order of £1400.00 That's take it out; Fit a new crank, bearings and gaskets/seals, refit to car , all parts and liquids etc. included. PLUS VAT of course. We do a lot of those these days, as people just haven't got the funds for a full rebuild.
It starts to add up though when they want to start tuning it later. If the engine is not in tip top condition, it'll go wrong. Then after doing a 'cheap' repair, we could get into an argument about the fact that it has gone wrong again after the customer pushed the boost up to 1.5 bar on what is basically a worn out engine with a new crank and bearings in it.
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So rather than moaning it's to expensive for a rebuild, think the most part is the parts cost, alongside as David @ API said, a horizontally and therefore more complicated engine.
The early UK cars have the basic same layout as the more modern ones, so you can't expect everything to be half price. I apologise but I just don't see your logic.
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The flat four Subaru engine is extremely labour intensive to repair, as you cannot just drop the oil pan and change the mains and big ends like you would be able to on a regular upright engine.
You cannot do any crankshaft work on a Subaru engine without splitting the crank case. By that time, short of taking the valves out of the heads, there is nothing else to undo.
There are almost no aftermarket parts other than gaskets and seals available for it. Sure, ACL race crank bearings are cheaper than Subaru original, but not by enough to make much difference.
AND: many years ago, we tried aftermarket oil seals out and after the rear crank seal fell out of an engine twice, cos it was a gnats thingy too narrow in diameter to stay in place, we went back to genuine Subaru gaskets and seals. Twice we had to collect, repair and return the car to London, to a very pissed off customer, we figured that the saving wasn't worth the hassle.
As for the cost coming down, you need to talk to Subaru about the price of the parts.
A workmanlike repair can be done to most, if it is a crank problem, for somewhere in the order of £1400.00 That's take it out; Fit a new crank, bearings and gaskets/seals, refit to car , all parts and liquids etc. included. PLUS VAT of course. We do a lot of those these days, as people just haven't got the funds for a full rebuild.
It starts to add up though when they want to start tuning it later. If the engine is not in tip top condition, it'll go wrong. Then after doing a 'cheap' repair, we could get into an argument about the fact that it has gone wrong again after the customer pushed the boost up to 1.5 bar on what is basically a worn out engine with a new crank and bearings in it.
David APi
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www.apiengines.com
01926 614333
You cannot do any crankshaft work on a Subaru engine without splitting the crank case. By that time, short of taking the valves out of the heads, there is nothing else to undo.
There are almost no aftermarket parts other than gaskets and seals available for it. Sure, ACL race crank bearings are cheaper than Subaru original, but not by enough to make much difference.
AND: many years ago, we tried aftermarket oil seals out and after the rear crank seal fell out of an engine twice, cos it was a gnats thingy too narrow in diameter to stay in place, we went back to genuine Subaru gaskets and seals. Twice we had to collect, repair and return the car to London, to a very pissed off customer, we figured that the saving wasn't worth the hassle.
As for the cost coming down, you need to talk to Subaru about the price of the parts.
A workmanlike repair can be done to most, if it is a crank problem, for somewhere in the order of £1400.00 That's take it out; Fit a new crank, bearings and gaskets/seals, refit to car , all parts and liquids etc. included. PLUS VAT of course. We do a lot of those these days, as people just haven't got the funds for a full rebuild.
It starts to add up though when they want to start tuning it later. If the engine is not in tip top condition, it'll go wrong. Then after doing a 'cheap' repair, we could get into an argument about the fact that it has gone wrong again after the customer pushed the boost up to 1.5 bar on what is basically a worn out engine with a new crank and bearings in it.
David APi
Agents for:
Simtek, the most exciting new Ecu for years
Buddy Club exhausts
Eibach suspension
Hybrid front mount intercooler kits
AP Racing brakes and clutches
And of course; the well known APi Performance Exedy organic clutch
www.apiengines.com
01926 614333
But we're not talking about a simple old car like the GTi, which remember is a Peugeot, a very common car. All Peugeot parts in my experience have been cheaper than Subaru parts, for which I also have experience.
So rather than moaning it's to expensive for a rebuild, think the most part is the parts cost, alongside as David @ API said, a horizontally and therefore more complicated engine.
The early UK cars have the basic same layout as the more modern ones, so you can't expect everything to be half price. I apologise but I just don't see your logic.
So rather than moaning it's to expensive for a rebuild, think the most part is the parts cost, alongside as David @ API said, a horizontally and therefore more complicated engine.
The early UK cars have the basic same layout as the more modern ones, so you can't expect everything to be half price. I apologise but I just don't see your logic.
My lodgic is it cost too much
i apologise for moaning 
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