Mclaren are cheats!
04 April 2009, 11:39 AM
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Brilliant for Button. How things change! At least we can now confidently presume that their car should be quick everywhere this year.
Ferrari on the other hand seem to be seriously lacking in direction at the moment. I wonder if the kers really is helping, as the balance on both cars looked awful.
Ferrari on the other hand seem to be seriously lacking in direction at the moment. I wonder if the kers really is helping, as the balance on both cars looked awful.
04 April 2009, 12:27 PM
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personally i think the cars are so evenly matched through qualifying now with 1000`s of a second separating a vast majority of them that the last two qualifying sessions have been the best ive seen, even when the likes of Mclaren and ferrari get the cars running properly they will only be as quick as the rest but not miles ahead as previous seasons
04 April 2009, 01:07 PM
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I think the performance difference between McLaren and Brawn is the amount of time Honda spent on this years car, writing off last season whilst of course McLaren were continually developing last seasons car to secure the championship. And they missed the rear diffuser loophole that will hopefully stand after the enquiry
Also this episode is the reason why Schumi is a legend and Hamilton has a way to go. Schumi would have already known what he was going to say before getting out of the car had he been subject to Hamiltons position - and would have told his manager what to say too! And would have engineered the correct decision!
Also this episode is the reason why Schumi is a legend and Hamilton has a way to go. Schumi would have already known what he was going to say before getting out of the car had he been subject to Hamiltons position - and would have told his manager what to say too! And would have engineered the correct decision!
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04 April 2009, 01:08 PM
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Oh and Nat, stop banging on about your Brawn merchandise until you can get me some 
04 April 2009, 01:16 PM
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I think the performance difference between McLaren and Brawn is the amount of time Honda spent on this years car, writing off last season whilst of course McLaren were continually developing last seasons car to secure the championship. And they missed the rear diffuser loophole that will hopefully stand after the enquiry
Also this episode is the reason why Schumi is a legend and Hamilton has a way to go. Schumi would have already known what he was going to say before getting out of the car had he been subject to Hamiltons position - and would have told his manager what to say too! And would have engineered the correct decision!
Also this episode is the reason why Schumi is a legend and Hamilton has a way to go. Schumi would have already known what he was going to say before getting out of the car had he been subject to Hamiltons position - and would have told his manager what to say too! And would have engineered the correct decision!
I know why brawn are so much better becuase of the development and that....i meant that the fact that Brawn had no Kers (-80BHP) but were still way faster shows just how much faster they are! If they add Kers in a few races time (they have not requested it for definite from MB HPE yet) then they will be even quicker
04 April 2009, 03:32 PM
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Now that we know the full story, I am even more disappointed about the Maclaren debacle. How did the team manager think they could get away with it anyway? It may have been difficult for Hamilton to deny that what the manager said was correct and he should never have been put in that position by the manager. He was stupid in that he has lost his job which he held for so many years. It will take a long time before Hamilton can regain his fans' confidence-if ever. Trulli's attitude to the whole business deserves credit as well of course.
Button has proved that his success last week was by no means a one-off. There is no denying his skill either as so many were doing before he got a decent car to drive again.
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Button has proved that his success last week was by no means a one-off. There is no denying his skill either as so many were doing before he got a decent car to drive again.
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04 April 2009, 04:28 PM
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Only way Lewis (haha not PS Lewis) can get out of this is to get whatever racing time he can with MacDonalds Drive-Thru and then move to another team... he may have to take a drop in ratings and pay with a lower ranked team but might be the only way to repair his career.
04 April 2009, 04:37 PM
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That is completely wrong I'm afraid. Ferrari were told that they could not use the argument that there was no performance advantage. Instead, they used a loophole that stated that the manufacturing of car parts had a 5mm tolerence. Although they exceeded the specificied dimension, the barge boards were within this tolerence, hence why they regained the position. This is clearly stated in the rules and so the disqualification did not stand in a court of law.
The cars as measured by the FIA appointed scrutineers failed scrutineering. End of story or it should have been.
04 April 2009, 11:35 PM
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ferrari cheats
. then again i wouldnt expect anything less of someone that holidays in socks and sandals and gets up early to claim their sunlounger for the day by the pool. ps. im not bitter honest
05 April 2009, 08:42 AM
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) And as for the team orders comment....remember Hakkinen and Coulthard, Melbourne 1998? At the time they said it was a gentlemens agreement but Couthard admitted yesterday that is was a team order. But, they were legal at the time.Schumi was still the best though. He never lied he just said, 'and?' (Apart from the Monaco 2006 parking episode which although being very clever, was also a bit silly.
)It's ok throwing things back at Ferrari, but they have never lied in public before like Hamilton/Mclaren did. I fear that Hamilton will never regain what little credibility he had left.
05 April 2009, 08:54 AM
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05 April 2009, 12:41 PM
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Exactly, that was schumi's decision, not Ferrari's. (I still think Hill was an idiot for trying a bold move on a damaged car! ) And as for the team orders comment....remember Hakkinen and Coulthard, Melbourne 1998? At the time they said it was a gentlemens agreement but Couthard admitted yesterday that is was a team order. But, they were legal at the time.
Schumi was still the best though. He never lied he just said, 'and?' (Apart from the Monaco 2006 parking episode which although being very clever, was also a bit silly. )
It's ok throwing things back at Ferrari, but they have never lied in public before like Hamilton/Mclaren did. I fear that Hamilton will never regain what little credibility he had left.
) And as for the team orders comment....remember Hakkinen and Coulthard, Melbourne 1998? At the time they said it was a gentlemens agreement but Couthard admitted yesterday that is was a team order. But, they were legal at the time.Schumi was still the best though. He never lied he just said, 'and?' (Apart from the Monaco 2006 parking episode which although being very clever, was also a bit silly.
)It's ok throwing things back at Ferrari, but they have never lied in public before like Hamilton/Mclaren did. I fear that Hamilton will never regain what little credibility he had left.
sure she was winding me up though)but lets face it though, if mclaren + ferrari both dont sort themselves out pdq they aint gettin a whiff of victory this year
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