graeme jones

not complaining but to say that they get paid too much or they shouldnt get a good raise is selfish as most people like you say wont get an increase and that includes me so for us that is why she studied hard to get a good job that can support our future and to develop the young.i will be applying for the police force in the summer when it comes back around as they recruite once a year and i wont be getting much of an increase by doing that if im successful in applying but when you want to do something in life you do if the pay was less she'd still be doing it as she loves her job but it isnt all sitting have cups of tea and breaks if you work in a good school that cares for th students they work nearly every minute of the day so if you work it to an hourly rate for a NEW teacher it aint so great

tanyatriangles

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Your usual narrow view of life, then Pete: YOU haven't seen it so it doesn't happen. I HAVE, and it DOES!

There for the asking? Only if the teacher is any good, otherwise, why would you want to retain him/her? And the rerason good teachers can, and do, move frequently? YOUR party's daft ideas on education wrecking schools, , lowering standards, removing all controls from the kids.........

If you DON'T want to use TLR's as a retention tool, don't do it......let's see how long you last against your head.

No mate, they go to the head, who has day to day control and authority. Inly if the head is a problem would you lot of ego trippers be involves and only then out of acourtesy. LEA asdvisers, most of who actually DO know something of education, would do the rest for you.

Move into the real world, Pete. You lose again

SunnySideUp

I hope you took a breath while typing that out

Good luck in your application for the Police Force, I know they are being squeezed on numbers currently and it's tough to get in.

SunnySideUp

OH, dear .... I do believe you have lost the argument.

tanyatriangles

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I think.....................not.

You, however, seem to have run out of silly provocative statements............

BlueBugEye

iTrader: (12)

Only if the governing body/head are weak (which I take it they are in your school).
Again only if the Governing body/head do not do the job they are supposed to, TLRs are only to be used for posts which enhance teaching and learning in the school.

SunnySideUp

I take your points. But, we are informed that we will have a walk out if the Increments are not paid!! Asking at other schools would indicate that we are identical in our approach.

TLR payments ... they make my blood boil if I am honest with you ... 60% of our Teaching Staff are in receipt of them - I would love to know if that is normal?

Of course, those who are not with a TLR now - had one and that is protected for 3 years!! It's a bl00dy gravy train and I think it stinks!

Leslie

As a matter of interest, what would be your advice be to a teacher at your school if he or she was threatened with violence or experienced extreme disobedience?

Les

tanyatriangles

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Teachers should be allowed to do the same as our esteemed police: lash out, belt hell out of offenders, then walk away from it

SunnySideUp

The child would be permanently excluded, the Teacher would receive the full support of the Governing Board.

That child would probably never set foot in the school again. We do not have a major problem despite having a large 'traveller' intake. The 'traveller' parents tend to be very supportive of the school and authority.

The worst parents are the Chavs and druggies ... they are nasty, stupid, vile and violent - scum and pond life basically.

tanyatriangles

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And what would be YOUR take if a child, having been warned, and final warned by the chair of the governors about verbal sexual harrassment of female pupils, continued to do so and, in fact, graduated to doing same with a female member of staff. Said child, on being permanently excluded, then reinstated by the lay panel. Teachers then applied to their unions, (the awful NUT included), and are given permission to "refuse to teach".

LEA then tries to pressure teachers, through governors, to lift their boycott and teach the kid as normal, or be disciplined, telling them it's not their business, (exclusions) and to get on with their jobs.

What would YOU do, as a governor?

SunnySideUp

On one hand you say that the Governors are a bunch of no good ego-trippers and now you are asking what the powerful body would do .....

I suggest that you re-assemble your argument and then come back with a single point of view ... not bending in the breeze and changing like a chameleon when it suits.

tanyatriangles

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No mate, you sidestep, as usual.

I'm asking what your so-called powerful body would do, and I strongly suspect that given the scanario above, you all run around like headless chickens shouting "What can WE do?", (you know Pete, a bit like the Labour party), and then go into hiding.

Rather like the governors in question did..............

Leslie

Thanks Pete, I was hoping you would say something like that.

Les

SunnySideUp

tanyatriangles - Leslie has quoted my answer in his post.

Dave M UK

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Unless your a teacher or know one very well you need to stop moaning about them asking for a pay increase, your facts are totally wrong

I qualified last year and when planning and teaching is added up divided by yearly wages your talking well below minimum wage, i will tell you straight, you start on around 21500 a year and it goes up by about 600 a year.

Why dont you read the facts and do some research instead or listening to the news and media and taking your facts from what the lads down the pub say after 6 pints.

Please dont tell me my figures are wrong, i AM a teacher and am willing to argue over PM with anyone who thinks they know my job better than me

Dave M

SunnySideUp

There are 3 Teachers in my family - I am also jointly reponsible for Teachers pay and the Senior Management pay in a College of 100 Staff and over 1000 Pupils .... my facts are facts.

Oh Dear, Oh Dear, Oh Dear ...... you have a go at me for getting my figures wrong and you show yourself up like that ........ I hope you are not a Maths Teacher!

For everyone to see, the figures are here:-

21,619
23,248
25,037
26,894
28,931
31,138

Everyone can see, quite clearly, that the Increment (as an example, £28,931 to £31,138 is a £2207 automatic increase) that's £2207 - makes your claim of £600 utterly laughable!

Of course, Teachers are also getting a 2.3% Payrise this year IN ADDITION to the Increment payment!! When RPI is negative.

And still they moan!


I have, above shown the figures ..... found, and available from everywhere, here:-

http://www.teachernet.gov.uk/_doc/12...ay%20Scale.doc

You figures are wrong ... proved above

It should, Teacher, be a capital I ......

I appear to know your Terms and Conditions MUCH better than you do!

You are trying to mislead ... and have failed badly.

mystery_machine

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Not all teachers are moaning about the pay increases and not all will strike, my wife belongs to a union that refuses to strike, so try not to tar all teachers with the same brush!

SunnySideUp

Quite true ... it's the NUT who need confronting and destroying.

SunnySideUp

Still awaiting an apology Dave M UK .................

Dave M UK

iTrader: (4)

PM me and we can talk, i did read your response but to be honest just couldnt be bothered to reply and have a debate over a forum, dont provoke me or bother me with this post anymore because if i get my teeth into it its going to take up alot of my time, just let it lye,

If you still cant let it lye then im from a place called Hanley in Stoke-on-Trent, PM me and we will meet up if your anywhere near

By the way did you ever tell the folks what school you work at????

I work at a college in Stoke at the moment on a proportional contract so aint too up on my figures so i apologise for getting them incorrect and not down to the penny, but i dont apologise for defending how hard we work, as for anyone who thinks we get it easy then stop being internet gangsters and mouth pieces and come and see me for a non public chat

Dave M UK

SunnySideUp

I did pm you, that's why you are here.

Your attack on my facts and figures demanded a response, I gave one - we are not talking pennies different, we are talking £1,000's!!!!!

Teachers are extremely well paid .... it's the moaning which cheeses most people off.

Teaching is a great job - really rewarding, in a way that my job can never be .... not my paid job anyway.

You responded on a Public Forum - I assumed that you were willing to discuss things which are in the public domain anyway?

Had I lived nearer you, I would take you up on the offer of a chat - even buy you a pint!

Flaps

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Ignore the **** stirring **** Dave. I bet he's not even a Governor! If he is then he must be one of the oldest ones around, didn't he used to claim he was in his 70's under his other username?

SunnySideUp

Well done on a very constructive post

Flaps

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Thanks! Just pointing out a few facts, didn't expect you to congratulate me on it though!

SunnySideUp

You were stating an Opinion mate, opinion ....... the figures I were quoting are facts ....