RJM25R

iTrader: (1)

What about the Focus RS? It's not been mentioned once in this thread!

chocolate_o_brian

iTrader: (22)

Hope that was "tongue in cheek"...

Jamescsti

https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/@1.htm

Useful link for the OP to look up Police advice on dogs, it only covers someone being bitten when a dog is in the garden though, not hand through letter box.

As a side issue when I was 13-14 I delivered morning papers on a particuarly rough estate with some big dogs that would jump at doors etc, managed to do it for years without getting bitten, it's not difficult really, think the op's wife should put it down to experience and get off the compensation wagon. Clearly if A&E were not going to see her for 8 hours then if was nothing more than a cut needing a plaster.

spireite

That works both ways, did your wife read a risk assessment before she went out posting leaflets , maybe she needs training

Rob_Impreza99

iTrader: (3)

I don`t agree with that, their have been numerous cases of people defending their own homes against burglars where the burglar has been on their property and the householder has naturally defended themselves against the burgler but its the householder thats been prosecuted quite a few times in the past for assault and actualy bodily harm...

So on the principal above the dog has caused actual bodily harm to someone regardless if they are on their property, dog owners should stop dogs in the early stages when they show signs of going for the letterbox, what if its a small child putting something through the letterbox for the cubs or brownies for bob a job week which i think its called which happens quite a bit round our way.

al4x1

on the other side what if its a pikey trying to see if theres a key in the lock on the other side. I'd have trouble having any sympathy with anyone sticking their hand through my letterbox and getting bitten, a simple lesson on how to post letters or junk mail is all thats needed, or a sign saying please go back to the wheelie bin by the gate and post your unwanted junkmail in there its safer

Jamescsti

Just thinking about this I would have thought the dog would have reacted as soon as someone got near the letterbox, was there any warning from the dog, i.e a rotweiller bouncing off the front door, barking etc?

bish667

iTrader: (1)

Mental note "if breaking into Ian's house use the front door as dog doesnt mind that" joke

StickyMicky

If a dog was to bite me in the ****, then i would be making my own laws

r32

Having done a little posting just lately I did find that many houses have an inner flap (oh dear!) as well as an outside letter flap with a huge spring. Consequently sticking anything thats not rigid (oh dear again) through the letter box requires a couple or three fingers poking through to open up the inner flap. Seems like the Lady in question was not doing anything illegal and it would be expected to have to operate in the manner she did when posting something. Now if she is doing nothing out of the ordinary she should not come to any harm whilst on the persons premises. If she does then the owner has a duty of care to ensure visitors acting in a lawful manner are able to go about their lawful business in safety. She would have a civil claim against the householder and quite probably win.

Its like you cant legally protect your possesions with something that would injure or kill a burglar, like connecting your car up to the mains even when its in the garage. (sad I know).

StickyMicky

I was out spamming letterboxes at start of the year and developed quite a knack of folding the leaflet so i could get it past the inner flap without having a pouch eat my pinkies

it can be done with an A5 135gsm sheet of glossy paper, i assure you that much

Godspeed Brakes

iTrader: (259)

A couple of points to clear up

No the dog didn't bark or jump at the door first , the first my missus knew about it , it was pulling her hand in.

She is not looking to claim anything from the owners , not intersted in compo , more interested in the safety of it , like I have already said , her neice was with them the day before who's 12 , I dread to imagine whet would have happened if it grabbed her , some may find that acceptable on here but I dont.

Trying to compare my comments about anyone breaking into my house being fair game , is hardly a comparison against someone putting something through your letter box , a letter box is there to have letters / junk mail / leaflets ect put through them , if you dont like it , nail it shut

Its not her job , she doesn't have or need one , just helping a friend out who's just started an ironing service

spireite

As said if she had carried out a risk assessment before hand this may never had happened , also is it wise to take young children to work with her does she have any kind of insurance to cover taking young children to work

al4x1

best tell her not to help out again as if you get this much hastle with posting letters through letterboxes I can only imagine the damage she could do with an Iron.

Or is she better qualified for that

Simon K

Im crying with laughter here ! Some of the comments, truely side splitting funny :-)

If this site wasnt around, work would be soooo dull :-)

Im waiting for the next leaflet dropper to pop his or her sticky little pikey paws through my door, see what my dog does. Being 10 years old, I doubt he will do much, unless the hand is holding a cooked roast chicken :-) Mind you, Im straving, so both of us might be biting that hand then !

SBK

Dedrater

For who ever asked, there is only an implied license under English Common Law for people to visit someone on there property without express permission; the postman and people asking for directions (Armstrong v. Sheppard and Short Ltd [1959] 2 Q.B. per Lord Evershed M.R.) So in actual fact, if this were taken to court it would simply be a case of making a counter claim against the op

What I would do if I were the owner of the dog is revoke license under Common Law for the ops wife and any of her representatives to visit me at my property, if she failed to act on this, then she would be liable to damages for a tort of trespass.

Not sure about anyone else, but when I first read the thread, the first thing that came to mind...

spireite

The fact he hasn't replied to my question just shows his wife was in the wrong

Godspeed Brakes

iTrader: (259)

I'm sorting out the tar and feathers now , that'll teach her

spireite

so no risk assessment was taken out before she went posting

Godspeed Brakes

iTrader: (259)

er no , as if !!

spireite

her problem then , cause if she had you wouldn't need to be moaning on here then

Unless she thinks she is exempt from work related accidents .

The fact she takes children to work with her is another matter , but if they got injured i suppose that would be someone elses fault as well .

Godspeed Brakes

iTrader: (259)

ok then you are joking though , you dont really expect someone to make a risk assessment do you , on a leaflet drop lol

spireite

Why not is she exempt from accidents and hazards . Fact is if she had she would have realised the possibilities ,

Godspeed Brakes

iTrader: (259)

thanks mate , thats class lol , ok no need to moan now , thats cheered me right up

spireite

Sorry Ian but your saying the dog owner as not fulfilled their obligations by not displaying signage , but as your wife fulfilled her obligations by doing a risk assessment . it works both ways

Your wife as also been putting young children at risk by taking them to work with her , so hey its time to take a look at yourselves . FFS its your wife putting children at risk thats the problem

Godspeed Brakes

iTrader: (259)

she was walking round houses not taking them down the pit lol I take it you work in risk assessment as you keep harping on and on about it. its made my wife chuckle as well so cheers again

spireite

well luckilly between you no harm came to the children so no case to answer , but if it had i wonder if you would still have posted on here knowing your wife would have been partially to blame

Also makes me chuckle that if she had assessed the job in hand , you would not be here moaning how she'd had her fingers nipped .

Would also like to know why you think the dog owner should display signs , but then think your wife doesn't have a legal duty to look after her own health and safety .
The Godneys must be above the law in Ians eyes

spireite

Yes i'm a H&S consultant ,but i think you should be more worried if there are any child protection people lurking on here

Godspeed Brakes

iTrader: (259)

I think the house should have a sign , as the dog didn't bark , it just snapped at the letterbox , so please enlighten me how you can plan for that , how can that be assessed ?? I would love to hear it.
If the dog barked first , then it would have been assessed to get the hell out of there.

Nurse Gladys

To be honest I'm surprised you haven't received a claim yet from the dogs owner............

Distress to the dog
Replacement hall carpet, blood stained
Replacement front door, teeth mark damage due to her putting her hand through, and encouraging the dog............

Well isn't that how this country works?

At the end of the day the cute little puppy was defending HIS home, and if my rottie bites anyone - god help them as I don't think he'd let go!!