chocolate_o_brian

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Well said that man. Just invested in Uniroyals which on that little review thing Davy posted, come out on top of many premium brands which your Porker would 'require'. It would seem from that, that buying a so called premium brand would be a waste of money.

That unless you agree, Davy, that different tyres work better on different cars, thus making your snipe at Toyo's and Toyo buyers obsolete.

Now seriously, I'm not going to debate it. You own Porsche's and dream cars, so little lowly me with a french bucket surely can't compete with that, or the 'successful' arrogance you exude

mrtheedge2u2

I can not believe you girls are arguing about tyres...... Davy's snipe was pathetic (at best) and makes him sound a ****.... just ignore him, COB

sarasquares

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I ahve been looking for some popcorn for the last half hour

davyboy

Get real, I own an 04 Signum

J4CKO

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Fulda, Toyo and Falken budget types are ok, its when you plumb the depths of the price list for Nankangs and Wanli's that you compromise safety and performance too far, I have used Nankangs which were made of hard plastic, when we bought our Galaxy they replaced the front tyres and they were "Double Stars" and it would spin the wheels in third in the wet, replaced them with Goodyears (nowehere near the limit) and it transformed it.

I saw a testy comparing premium brands with the low end stuff, stopping distances were up to 50% greater which is the difference between crashing and not, also change them before the legal limit, it is a limit, not a hard and fast rule as to when to change them it is a legal limit at below which you get prosecuted ! replace them when you notice the performance degrading.

There are a lot of variables that contribute to perofrmance but basically you get what you pay for.

chocolate_o_brian

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I wouldn't put Toyo in the same bracket as Fulda or Falken, but again personal choice.

I always thought Toyo as the best mid range tyre brand. Not high end like you Conti's/Bridgestones etc, but the top end of mid way.

I put the Fulda's in particular with the pap like Kumho/Wanli/Linglong etc, your proper lower end budget tyres. (Had Kumho myself and they're awful).

davyboy

Completely agree.

The Signum wears Hancook

dpb

Falken 452 1/2 the price michellin sports i had before and will probably last half the time

G00ner

Davyboy sniping again, what a surprise.

Dayton's are budget Firestone for reference.

A few premium brands have cheaper budget brands, like Bridgestone/Firestone/Dayton/Baja, Pirelli/Courier, Michelin/Kelly tyres, Dunlop and Goodyear are now merged etc.

Toyo is an upper mid range tyre generally, nothing to turn your nose up at.

my06 ppp silver

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is it just me or am i missing something, if they are a "copy"does that not mean the same as i can get a "copy" of a lacoste shirt at my local market but its still gonna fall to pieces compared to the "original". tyres have diffrent compounds offering variable performance so looks can obviously be decieving, dont naively buy them expecting them to be the same.

SiPie

Toyo PROXES T1-R

• Average based on 1055 completed reviews - results
Score: 1-Excellent 6-Terrible
Ø2.4
Grip under dry conditions
1.6
Breaking under dry conditions
1.7
Grip under wet conditions
2.3
Braking under wet conditions
2.4
Grip in snow
4.5
Comfort
2.2
Noise level (internal)
2.2
Noise level (external)
2.2
Tyre wear
2.7

These charts are reviews are from tyres online @ mytyres.co.uk: cheap passenger tyres, summer tyres, winter tyres and tyre dealer and I pretty much agree with their reviews

I’ve ran either Toyo Proxes, Potenza S02 or SO3’s or Goodyear Eagle F1’s since 1998 and driven to the degree that F1’s (fronts) were dead after 4,500 miles, so I feel mildly qualified to assure everyone that Davyboy is indeed talking pish again (shock!)

I’d still rate Michelin Pilot Sports above all of the above but if you are killing tyres so regularly then IMHO you have to find a cost/performance balance and that is exactly what Proxes give you.

As for those that say that the Proxes just break away with no warning then I’d really question that as I’ve always found them ultra progressive and breakaway more gradually than Eagle F1’s which ultimately offer more out and out wet grip but breakaway more suddenly that Lance Armstrong in the good old days....

Proxes are fine in dry and very wet but struggle in damp/greasy conditions more so than some others.

Michelin PILOT SPORT PS2

Test results Tirestest.com
• Tirestest.com:
Average based on 192 completed reviews - results
Score: 1-Excellent 6-Terrible
Ø1.8
Grip under dry conditions
1.2
Breaking under dry conditions
1.3
Grip under wet conditions
1.7
Braking under wet conditions
1.7
Grip in snow
3.2
Comfort
1.6
Noise level (internal)
1.6
Noise level (external)
1.7
Tyre wear
2.0

davyboy

What's this.....more meaningless reviews by amateurs

To be honest I feel we've moved on.

They seem popular in Subaru circles, but not many others....this was my comment to COB. Even Clio drivers think they suck.

tanyatriangles

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When I said, "Copy" I meant the tread pattern.
As far as owt else is concerned, I don't know about their contruction.

I DO know, however, that the Daytons on my wife's Xantia wear VERY well, give good levels of grip in wet and dry conditions, (certainly enough for a 2.0HDi), and don't cost the earth. They are also guaranteed for life Already saved me £65 or so..........

The D300's that look like Toyo tread pattern, well my eldest has a pair on the rear of his Clio 197 Sport, he reports no problems at all.

borderlinechris

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i remember having cheng shun`s on my bmx..( dunno if this helps anyone?)

chocolate_o_brian

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Don't know when to give up



Pop over to 205gtidrivers.com and see their reviews on the Proxies. Some of the guys over there are very very keen trackday/hillclimb enthusiasts (and actually decent drivers), who spend a lot of time and money on their vehicles.

Proxies are very popular amoungst "us" lot over there, but as said I personally have had better wet grip and progressive breakaway as (Si puts it) with the Eagle F1 GSD3's. This is admittedly comparing a 1250-1300kg natural understeering car with a 900kg lift off oversteer shoe box.

I would have loved to have tried the GSD3's on my old Scoob, but since running the Rainsport II's and having a blast this morning on some greasy roads, I'm converted (whilst in the Pug 205 at least). It's not all about brand with me and I was personally sceptical of Uniroyals before. Not a pretty tyre with a fancy lip to protect your wheels, but the dig in grip on roundabouts etc is 100%

fivetide

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COB you want to slow down a bit, save tyres petrol and cash heh

I actually agree with Dave to a point. I looked at Toyo's for mine simply because they were meant to be a good tyre but for a cheap price. That was certianly a consideration because i do most of my miles on the motorway.

In the end thanks to the wet reviews for the Toyos i went with the Falken 452s because i had them on my FTO and they were superb.

Having had them for a bit now i can say they seem much better in the wet than the standard Bridgestones that were on the car although they are wearing a little quicker i think.

So to recap Dave is right, a lot of people get them because they are cheap but i don't think that means that in some ways they aren't possibly better than more expensive options.

5t.

Skoobie Dhu

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Used Toyo's on my classic STi and found them to be good all rounder and predictable in all conditions.
Just fitted a set of Vredsteins, not tried them yet as car is SORN'd at the moment. When I went to fit them the whole assymetric tread thing had me scratching my head. Different tread patterns on the each side of the car - didn't seem logical? Checked on the web and it is correct, just looked odd.

225/40/18's were £108 each fitted, Toyo's slightly cheaper.

Looking forward to trying the Vredsteins, they get good comments both on here and on the RX 8 forum.

SiPie

They know nothing about tyres, far too busy adding oil

WRXBOB

When I had my Scooby I found Toyo Proxes T1-S tyres were most excellent. I have heard the T1-R tyre is not so good.

No longer drive a scooby these days, have Coopers on my present daily driver



Much more fun!

Leslie

With traffic the way it is these days, its difficult to enjoy a bit of cornering on the edge any more, unless you do it in the middle of the night.

Might as well fit something that has excellent wear properties.

Les

chocolate_o_brian

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Sorry Les, I disagree with you there.

I'd rather have a set od decent tyres with excellent wet/dry grip that may wear down in 15,000 miles over some hard tyres which last longer but grip less.

As you say more traffic means more potential for accidnets as it means more idiots on the roads. I would certainly rather have tyres that can cope with a sudden requirement of braking in the wet over something that lasts longer and saves wear.

Just my opinion.

Tidgy

i've alwasy had proxies on mine, i found changing the suspension made the biggest difference to the feel of the car. can tell when its gonna step out (and add a bit more lock hehe)