scoobyboy

i'm with paul on this one, i think if a party wants to change leader then there should be an election so the people of this country can decide if they want the person the party is nominating to be prime minister to govern them.

SunnySideUp

Oh I am, I am, I am

And I do not defend them for anything .....

Up until 18 months ago we were all enjoying the best wealth we had ever known ... yes, it was on the back of borrowing, but I saw very few people complaining about their new cars, their houses increasing in value faster than their pay.

Us older folk did, however, look on with some panic ... I just couldn't see how it was all happening so well. Where was all this money coming from - how was it going to be re-paid?

I come from a time and era when you saved for what you wanted - consequently I have no debt to speak of and a pot of money now earning next to no interest! I am suffering for the excesses of the masses and I'm not happy about it!

But, to say that Labour - by giving us all freedom to do what we like - is somehow to blame for the mess is very simplistic ..... the excessive borrowers are to blame and the Bankers who made the money easy to get.

I will not vote Labour because they went back on the word of Parliment reference my Pension - and that back-stabbing is costing me £300 a month every month! and is likely to increase! I am NOT happy - as it is not of my own doing.

To say that we need to vote for a Leader as well as a party is fair enough ... I don't mind - but, that's not how it is at the moment.

Therefore Gordon Brown has been elected in the correct way and he leads his party in the correct way .... that party leads the country, not Gordon Brown.

The fact that the Tories are not way, way ahead worries me somewhat - in that we have no real alternative, the Tories are a bunch of no-hopers with little experience and even less ability.

The Lib-Dems .... if led by Vince Cable, would get my vote next time around!

unclebuck

Not on any evidence I've seen...

warrenm2

currently number 12 in the the most popular list.....

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Other than for novelty value do any of you take these petitions seriously? Do you really think that even if 20 million people bothered to sign it that the powers that be would take any notice whatsoever. What is this petition telling Gordon Brown and Labour that they don't deep down already know? Nothing which is why they are all just a waste of time.

"Let's put up a petition site so the population will think they can have a say and then carry on doing exactly what we want "

Leslie

Yes you are right when you say that people, like this lot in charge, overborrowed seriously amd are now paying the price for that. Cheap money encouraged them to do that but it is as ever down to them in the final say.

I was also brought up to save for whatever I wanted as you say you were and still follow that now. Never liked the idea of being in debt except for a very good reason.

What really upsets me is what has and still is happening to this country. We are a broken society in so many ways with a destroyed economy and with world debts which will be being paid off by our descendants. What kind of a legacy is that? If they had really been prudent as they kept telling us, and had done the job of running the economy properly and monitoring the crooks running the banks correctly, we would be so much better placed to withstand this recession. NL policies have also degraded moral attitudes to thosse of the gutter.

Les

[-(o)-]

iTrader: (1)

BTTT and signed for comedy value.

Even if calling for his resignation suggests there might be a hint of legitimacy to his position...

warrenm2

moved up to number 6 most popular now......

Bets for when it reaches number 1?

SunnySideUp

Les, come on now ......

You saying that the Gimme, Gimme, Gimme - get rich quick - I'm all right Jack attitude of the last Tory Government had nothing to do with the downfall of the Moral fabric of our society??

You are blinkered if you say that the Tories were innocent of introducing greed as a 'good attribute' to have!

All our troubles of today stemmed back in Maggies Era - the greed, the easy money, the rich getting richer, the decline of moral standards, the increase in crime, the decrease in state education, the shutting of UK as a Manufacturing nation ............ the list goes on.

Anyone who wants to see the Tories back in are either kiddies who cannot remember or those who have been brainwashed into thinking there is another way ... there isn't, this is it - whatever colour rosette it wears!

jasey

They can't even organise a petition - what a shower

ERROR

The requested URL could not be retrieved


While trying to retrieve the URL: http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/please-go/EGsn2zEi4Zu2D53taBAKCJF
The following error was encountered:

• Unable to forward this request at this time.

This request could not be forwarded to the origin server or to any parent caches. The most likely cause for this error is that:

• The cache administrator does not allow this cache to make direct connections to origin servers, and
• All configured parent caches are currently unreachable.

Your cache administrator is webmaster@mysociety.org.
Generated Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:09:41 GMT by water.ukcod.org.uk (squid/2.6.STABLE5)

Leslie

Pete,

Moral attitudes does not apply purely to money and the greed that goes with it. I agree with what you say about the leaning towards greed, or more accurately the profit motive in earlier times, but MP's and those in charge of the financial establishments have developed it to a fine art now, with the cognisance of your heroes. They even knighted the bankers for their own purposes! MP's are supposed to be trustworthy and that expectance was applied to the rules over the expenses that they are able to claim. How can any of them justify their use of the expenses system and the rules in the way they are maximising their claims?

I cannot believe that you are quoting state education as an example. we see school leavers who cannot express themselves in correct English, many of whom cannot write even, and the grades that they get have been lowered to a standard which means nothing any more. Universities have to put entrants through a special cramming course just to try to get them up to a standard where they can actually start a degree course! Those children who are bright and want to learn are deliberately held back to try to get all children to a similarly low standard. The old 11 plus system was very good and it allowed the more intelligent children to get to a grammar school where they could maximise their abilities. That was an old labour scheme and was a very good one- now they want to kill the grammar schools and not allow the clever children to advance as they should.

This lot have completely abandoned their responsibilities to the people of this country, their policies have destroyed any moral standards, and they are permanently busy furthering themselves at our cost! They want us all to be at the same low level, except themselves of course!

Les

James Neill

iTrader: (1)

Yeah, but remember, there has been no election when he was at the healm.

warrenm2

This petition has, in the last few minutes, become the most popular on the No. 10 website

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

So what? It isn't going to change anything sadly.

escott

iTrader: (1)

I tend to agree, although I feel I would be voting for the party I dislike the least, rather than the one I like the most.

In fact, my whole political outlook is so shallow that if someone was to ask me my preference the honest answer is 'not Tory' and nothing more. And although I try and stay away from the personality issue, having David Cameron as leader of a party won't exactly encourage me to change my mind.

It's a shame about New Labour, I was genuinely excited when they won in '97 and the honeymoon period after that was great. Over the years though they have slowly become just another long term government, with all the usual flaws that this brings. I don't particularily dislike Brown but I can't see him making major improvements, especially given the current climate.

Can we vote Democrat and get Obama over here instead?

Martin2005

This is the problem with our 2 party politics in my view, for healthy politics a government should be in power no more than 2 terms. Of course you cant have that with a parliamentary system, because that would mean effectively handing over power, rather than a democratic process.
This government have gone on too long, the last 2 years have been nothing short of agony. We need a change.

As for the poll, well it might be something for the SN usual suspects to get all hard with mischieveous excitement over, but it's just more nonsense and trivia, do we really want the PM of this country (whoever it may be) to resign based upon a bleedin petition? That is why we have elections isn't it?

I agree Brown should be VOTED out of office when the time arises.

Then we can all set about attacking the next government.....oh no hang on a minute, I guess that we might be in for the biggest about turn in the history of internet forums when next government comes in. They'll be heroic Tories desparately fighting against all the ills they inherited from the previous lot, nothing will be their fault, they will do no wrong.

Leslie

Well with a post like that Martin, particularly your final remarks, one can only say that the power of ScoobyNet has changed you into an enlightened person at last!

Its all so true as well.

Les

Snazy

It just made Sky News

pwhittle

if it's good enough for William Large *********, it's good enough for me.
Signed.

Simon K

Hi

Enjoyed reading Sunnysideup's comments, very accurate and I tend to agree with him. I will vote Tory, never liked Labour, but cant honestly say that Im voting due to policies, but for how much I hate labour. Wasnt this the case of most people 12 years ago, had enough of tory rule, so voted labour ?

Hutton_d, I agree with what he said, labour have been in power now for 12 years, so people harping on about Maggy, and torys is a little out of date. 12 years is a long time, long enough for policies, new rules, ideas to be implemented and results to be seen.

Also, it cant be forgotten that torys did hand over a country that was in a better position financially, morally and stronger in regards to the world. Ok times have changed, and moved along, but its the decisions made in the last 12 years that have modelled this country now.

Im not saying the tory's will be any better, but at least the possibiltiy of a new Labour leader, or a new Govn, it gives us hope, which is what we need. Brown was the man holding the purse strings for 10 years, it was his financial decisions that he's trying to clear up now.

I was listening to radio 4 the other day, and it seems that a Labour govn always hands back a ruined country. And as for greed, I read a tremendous comment, think it was on the `Wall Street` thread, with out greed, we'll still be living in caves !

Tory's, or Lib Dem, cant get any worse can it ?

SBK

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

LOL at the Tories giving us a morally better country

As for the greed and living in caves comment, I think you are confusing progress and desire for a better society with individual greed and a 'dog eat dog' mentality - Maggie's lasting legacy

Simon K

Maybe I am, maybe Im not. :-)

Lucky some of us are like this, greedy, wanting to make tons of money, as its our taxes, wealth that the lazy dhs ponces live off."

The only thing left to say, is.................... "Look at my wod, loadsamoney "

SBK

Tidgy

question is, who would you rather have instead, don't think any of the current shower that is mp's could do a better job anyway