Mr Leigh

On a sunny day I like to drive along with the window down, listening to the band 'Bodycount'. I find the track 'Cop Killer' very relaxing

The Police in this country are a mockery of a mockery, most of them cant hack life in the real world, enjoy power trips and probably have small ****** LOL

I never disliked the police until I started driving. I live in a good area, with a good family, never stole anything and never hurt anyone unless it was reciprical. But I dislike Police now almost as much as much as criminals. This is not learned behaviour from parents!

The reason is they isolate themselves. They dont do **** all to protect you, never catch the crimnals who victimise you. The only time you see them is when they are giving you **** for accelerating to fast or speeding. ******* ****** blue bellied *******


Would I pee on a cop if he was on fire? No. I would be to busy running away.

Paul M

Mr Leigh.....You forgot to mention....who won the bl**dy war anyway ....and those communists..Ooh and what about the unemployed.. bunch of layabouts they are.
Classic generalisations and anecdotes ....Dont you just love 'em.
Heres a good one...Foxhunting conserves the fox popoulation. Discuss

pslewis

Wow, well thats strong Leigh!!!

It is how a lot of people feel however My wife and I are not pleased to undo our respect for the police. As a point of fact - the respect has all been lost on the highway ... the traffic police do 'lord it' generally and make condescending remarks, which doesnt help the whole police case. I got stopped the other day by a highway officer - he 'thought' I had my front fog lights on?????????? so pulled me over - he was quite pleasant (older) but the jumped up little squirt partner wasnt so generous (he was younger and had to be calmed down by the other officer) I can tell you if he wasnt wearing a uniform he may well have had a hospital bed booked for him!!

Pete

Mr Leigh

Paul. My comments are not generalizations to me! I suspect most other peoples veiws are also heavily based on personal experiences, but I dont want to generalize

I agree Pete. Its sad to dislike the police, when there cause is good. But I do dislike them.

GranTurismo

I do not hate police.

I have only had very few dealings with them and always found them to be polite and sensible.

From what I have seen of the world I would rather have our coppers than any other country.

Andy Gough

Yaers ago I got stopped for speeding. Naturally enough, it was on a wide road, good visibility, good conditions etc.ect.

When I asked the pleasant enough Plod why he had decided to nick me, he replied that by slowing me down, he was going to prevent an accident.

Well O.K.

Except, how many of you have heard of, or been involved in a shunt, the police arrive, suss out no ones hurt, and say no problem, everyones OK, Bye.

I got stopped for speeding - no accident- no problem -3 points. Have an accident because your incompetent - no problem - no points!

Another point. I got nicked by a radar gun. He said I was doing 38mph. Bollards. I was doing over 45mph. (call me a to55er, mad, irresponsible,blah , blah blah) made me just 1mph under the limit for a personal appearance for me (and Plod) at the local Magistrates.

Funny how Plod wouldn't let me look at his previous 5 tickets. I reckon they get a mate to drive by at 38mph and then keep that radar readout on the gun. It could have been there for days before I arrived on the scene, but as there is no time/date stamp on the readout, your stuffed. I may be cynical but it sounds ok doesn't it?

Dave T-S

He he he, this thread is turning into a Scoobynet special ( ), not criticising, it's a free country (still, despite dear old Tone and co's efforts ).

The police merely enforce the law. Bloody civil servants and politicians dream it up in the first place. Their interpretation is different from officer to officer, in the same way that if I posted on here that black was black someone else would give me 50 good reasons why it should be white.....

My plate is technically illegal. The numbers and letters are pushed close together. Not because I am trying to make it read something else, but because those plates that read "B 7 ABC" or similar look a bit lonely. If I get stopped with it I will argue it ( ). If I get done, fair cop, it's illegal, I tried to get out of it. End of story.

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DEEDEE

I do not object to the £30 fine I accept I took a risk and it backfired. But the attitude in which it was presented, the plate was standard except the gap. He could have warned me even bo****ked me for an hour but it was sheer attitude on his behalf. It does prove though that the plod of today (not all) are on a power trip and don't give a s**t about the general publics welfare. How good they must look when they hand in their note books full of trival matters I wonder if they get a merit like my son at junior school. One day they might police this country like it should be done then trival matters would be accepted with open arms. He could even have been jelous that makes me feel happier.

Stuart H

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Andy Gough:
<B>Funny how Plod wouldn't let me look at his previous 5 tickets.[/quote]

Not funny at all. They are confidential documents which had nothing to do with your stop. <B>That's</B> why he wouldn't show them to you.

TKH

Got stopped for speeding in GTR Manchester at the weekend at 84 mph i was pleasant and did not give the p.c. any s***e he explained to me that there was i high level of accidents and deaths on the particular road which i sympathised with then due to my initial hands up approach he let me off with a verbal proving that not all plod are as we may think and i will now save my gusto for track days as its a f*****g long walk to work and it always seems to be raining.

p.s. Andy G are you going to Croft

Regards

Tim

Daryl

Stuart H

This isn't a dig or anything, but do you apply the letter of the law or use your discretion when confronted with someone who has commited an offence. I would guess it's the latter, depending on the seriousness of the offence and the circumstances involved.

The reason a lot of people are wary of the police, IMHO, is because some (a minority perhaps) do not use their discretion. I suppose you could call it Zero Tolerance Policing

ex-webby

For goodness sake!

Surely nobody is really stupid enough to think so bad of the police. Nobody like the police when they've just been done for speeding or similar, but *SURELY* you have to think deeper than that?

What would you prefer? To be restricted to a safe speed and punished (once in a blue moon - when you are caught) if you excede it.. or have to send your loved ones out in a car when you know that the road is filled with people legally doing 100mph through your village, to allow you children to walk with your wife down a high street when you know that people will be legitimately racing through it, to be constantly terrified that around the next blind bend there could be a Astra GSi doing 120MPH on your side of the road????

And then.... have to drive around dead bodies and automotive carnage because nobody was there to pick them off the road? And we'll know that next time we are unlucky enough to be involved in a car accident, there will be nobody around to help us.

It really REALLY grips me when people display this anti-police attitude. By all means be anti-current-legislation, fine... but the police are doing their job, simple as that.

We often hear the words "If they spent as much time solving real crimes we would be in a far better state!!!", well think about it...

I bet that the percentage of speeding offenses caught is a tiny tiny fraction of the percentage of other crimes solved. Have a think if you were caught every time you went over the speed limit? It's only because we do it so often that it becomes the norm to us!

If Stuart H (a HUGE supporter of this board and us all, and a traffic police officer (sorry don't know the proper term)) was to publish an image diary of his average week I am sure most of us would find it impossible to look after two or three picture. Yet he and thousands of others have to deal with that carnage every day so we don't have to. "can't hack it in the real world" HOW REAL DO YOU WANT IT?

There is nothing wrong with freedom of speech so I am not closing this thread, however, the recent relaxed attitude that seems to be appearing about this subject will be closely monitored.

Best reards

Simon

ex-webby

I will also add...

of course there are times when some of our boys in blue mess it up... sometimes they are too harsh...

this does not mean they are all ****ers, it just means they are human.

Mike@PD

Its all petty isn't it. That is until you have a dead child on the road and the car has vanished. If it was your child and the number plate given to police was so badly displayed it can't be identified and traced, then all of a sudden you have a different view on things ! See who you then consider to be the real criminals? For information, I have two such investigations on the go at the moment. Ask Stuart H, its such a common scenario and when its a member of your family, thins arn't quite so trivial !

Dave T-S

SDB
Thank you.


And what is the point of anyone else asking Stuart to comment on hypothetical discretion situations - they are all different and you don't know how you would deal with it until you get there.

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pslewis

Webmaster - maybe some of the posts have been a little heated (I hope that mine have not been) - it was not intended.

What the point of all this seems to be is a warning to the police that (SOME) need to be less 'smart-4rsed' when pulling you over. When I say warning I mean reminding them that some of their colleagues by their very attitude to drivers are allienating the 'honest' public.

My last point about my front fogs on - The older, sensible officer had to admit that what they probably saw as I passed them was the sun reflecting in my fog lamps - the younger, 4rsehole copper (and I dont apologies for that!) started having a go at me, just because you have a smart car dont think you can go around taking the p155 ... I know you just turned the fogs off when we pulled you!!! what a complete Bar Steward!!

I must also say that the young cop jumped into the car and the older one just said sorry for that sir, he was SURE you had your fogs on ...... I gave NO mouth at all - just said that my Fogs cant come on without the side lights at least being on.

So there we have it, Webmaster - its a cry for a selection in the police to stop behaving light little Hitlers, I have to say that most coppers are fair and I have no problems with them and what they do. But cant they throw out of the force the jumped up idiots???????

Pete

Daryl

Dave TS

That was exactly my point! Some police officers do not use their discretion and give the rest a bad name.

Presumably everybody on this BBS is entitled to an opinion, as long as it's yours

logiclee

As I have said B4 I have total respect for 90% of our Police officers, unfortunatly its the 10% that get posted about.

On top of that the Police get blamed for the CPS, courts, political moods and lack of manpower resources.

I know that most of us only see the Police when we have slipped up slightly but everyone would still hit 999 in an emergency.

Lee

Gary Foster

It upsets me to read threads like this. I would say the majority of us are upstanding members of the community yet we think like this.

I had every respect for the Police whilst I was a child, but since turning adult, gradually all respect for the police force in has dissapeared. To the point where I think in the same manner others have described here thinking about it, this is only because before turning adult I had no dealings with the police

Some I have found to be OK, some to be incompetent (and the percentage is not hopeful).

By far the worst problem has been the attitudes of a number of them. I don't understand why the police force attracts people who lack any social skills, and treat you with such obvious distain / disrespect !! I've never experienced such down right bad manners in any other profession !

Really sorry to bad mouth the Police in general as I know there are also some normal human beings that work in the force, you guys must surely notice it too - you have to work with these people day in day out ! I do not envy you

Dave T-S

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Daryl:
<B>Dave TS

That was exactly my point! Some police officers do not use their discretion and give the rest a bad name.

Presumably everybody on this BBS is entitled to an opinion, as long as it's yours [/quote]

Ooh - handbags at dawn . I don't think you got my point at all. You are asking a hypothetical question - i.e. one that cannot be accurately answered under the circumstances thus is not worth asking - but i'm not speaking on Stuart's behalf. In any case i'm on the side of Stuart and the Webmaster on this one.

As for you and everybody else on this BBS having to agree with my opinion, well, if you'd like to go back and read my 1966 or so previous posts I think you will find I am not like that at all.

I was actually just being supportive of Stuart. He has a sh.ite job at times, one I am probably not capable of doing (nor would I want to) and as SDB says he is very supportive of this BBS and many of us on it, despite all the "all coppers are ba5tards" crap that gets posted on here on a far too regular basis. No, it isn't personal to him, but if the "all insurance companies are robbing ba5tards" threads are anything to go by then it gets a bit tiresome. In both cases it seems to be fuelled by either ignorance or narrow mindedness.

And no this is not having a go at you, or looking for an argument, just stating my own personal opinion......which invariably will differ with yours, but luckily because we live in a democracy we can both express them on this BBS.

Chins

Most IT people I meet are little stuck up Hitlers full of their own importance. Why most IT people are kept in full time employment is beyond me. However there is the odd good one.

Most companies I visit have this attitude to this form of life called the IT/IS.

Its not just the police that are not liked

Jonathan

whos in sales and not liked either.

Mr555

[QUOTE]i will now save my gusto for track days as its a f*****g long walk to work and it always seems to be raining.
QUOTE]

At long b****y last, someone with some sense...

ndouglass

Chins,
You must be meeting the wrong IT people, we're a good bunch really but there are some t0ssers out there. Must be permanent brain dead techies, not like us brainy, hated contractors

Back to the subject though.......

I was coming home the other night when a Police car appeared behind me and pulled me over. I checked my speedo and I wasn't speeding, I got out and he said your brake lights aren't working. I went to the back of the car whilst he pressed the pedal for me, he was right and I was confused as they were working 5 mins previous. I stopped at traffic lights at the red glow from my lights lit up the girlie in the car behind

He said it looks like your fuse may have gone and said did I want to check, he got his torch from the car and I went in search for the fuse. I couldn't find it as the writing on the fuse panel is japanese, he asked how far I was going and I told him 3 miles. He said he'd follow me home so nobody ran into the back of me when I was braking, just use my rear fog lamp to let him know when I was braking.

So, I've gotta say there's some nice coppers out there that get a bad name from the rare bad copper.

Leigh

[QUOTE]Originally posted by pslewis:
[B]Wow, well thats strong Leigh!!!

It is how a lot of people feel however

Pete!!
Err, that wasn't me slagging the police off!
It was "Mr Leigh"! Similar name, even from the same county as me, but NOT me!!
I'm not generally a huge fan of traffic police actions, such as hiding on slip-roads of empty dual carriageways, but police are NOT all to$$ers by any means, in the same way that not ALL subaru drivers are I.T. bods, just most of em!
You can guess from the above how I got caught speeding...

Leigh

NOT Mr Leigh

Dave T-S

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Blow Dog:
<B>Policemen are hero's.

Politicians are wa.nkers.

[/quote]

LOL

Blowdog's philosophical quote of the day.....

PS I agree.....

Paul Frank

OK, not quite on topic . . . .

Did anyone watch the ITV police prog tonight? see the car squad guys with that **** who had been stealing cars & chopping 'em for spares?

& what did he get (multiple offences) - £500 & a bit of community service . . . I thought the copper was going to cry. UNBELIEVEABLE.
Did you see it Stuart? Comment? or would you rather not?

IMHO don't blame the police - it's the old gits on the bench (round here no MOT / no licence / no insurance gets you £70-£120 fine & 3 points - GO FIGURE!)

Dunno how Stuart et al keep motivated with pathetic support like that . . .

FWIW
Paul

PS only 1 speeding in 25 years, never understood why the officer altered my speed on his statement. Well actually I do, but only if I believe my (local) solicitor - however I'd rather not 'cos it would make you all rant!

& then this thread would get killed

Billbill

Well lads, I may be an old rascal/radical but I come by it legitamately.
Been on both side of the law.
Have enforced and been forced.

Now for the constant complainers.
Sure now, lets get rid of all the coppers.
We could have another alternative of law enforcement. They would be dressed in olive drab, khaki, or camo uniforms.
And there would be the ever present rifle or automatic weapon to press their point.

Law enforcement not only enforces the laws and ordinances of the land but they defend our legitimate rights to a peaceful existance.

Those who complain the most should be given the opportunity to shadow an officer on his daily rounds of your highways (or whatever you call them over there) and observe the daily carnage created by minor infractions.

We all have anecdotal dissertations both positive and negative.

The brake lights for instance. Had mine go out once and ignored the fact for a day until I had to slam on the brakes for a bicycle. The heavy truck (lory?) behind me relieved me of a possible defective equipment citation. But I knew why I was hit.

The negative bickering, that is all encompassing of a dedicated SERVICE oriented organization, comes from a narrow perspective and possibly narrower mind that is incapable of focusing on reality.

Give yourself a break and expand your horizons of life.

Dave T-S

Treat this man with respect. He knows what he is talking about. Just because he spends his life in the Muppet forum with the rest of us don't jump to conclusions .....without giving too much away he was over here in 1940 risking his life as a young kid for us and it is because of people like Billbill we are able to come on this BBS today and post a load of old tosh (personally speaking, natch ) and get away with it.....

Here's to feeling another spring sun on your back Billbill.....

Richard F

It seems the problem is that people generally only talk about things when there is a problem. Reminds me of Matrix when they said how the 1st Matrix was a failure because the world was made a really lovely place and the Human mind couldn't cope with stuff being nice the whole time...

Yeah there's @rsehole coppers (like the one I knew who challenged my friend to a fight by holding my friend's arm behind his back and said things like "2 hits - me hitting you, you hitting the floor") and there's also alright ones (like the one who let me off for 38 in a 30 and praised my awareness from when I'd seen him in an unmarked car )

The problem is that people *expect* a fantastic service, nothing less and whenever something happens to shake that image, they'll talk about it. They pay their taxes and to a certain extent I think that attitude is justified. I certainly respect coppers and wouldn't want their job for twice the money but there is a genuine sneaking suspicion in a lot of people that some of them, only some mind, join up purely because they want the power trip. One final thing, isn't it true that even "regular" plod don't like Traffic?

Blow Dog

Policemen are hero's.

Politicians are wa.nkers.