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08 February 2001, 12:06 PM
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Being new to this board, it appears that a lot of people treat the police scooby members as their parents, i.e. "is it alright Dad if...".
Others make a point based on personal experience (usually bad).
Until 4 months ago, I was a great supporter of the police. Sadly, I have had an experience that might mean I go to the PCA, if I have the stomach for it.
We are all human and not all humans are pleasant, including some police officers.
Not criticisms, just observations.
Others make a point based on personal experience (usually bad).
Until 4 months ago, I was a great supporter of the police. Sadly, I have had an experience that might mean I go to the PCA, if I have the stomach for it.
We are all human and not all humans are pleasant, including some police officers.
Not criticisms, just observations.
08 February 2001, 01:07 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Richard F:
<B>One final thing, isn't it true that even "regular" plod don't like Traffic?[/quote]
That's why we're nicknamed "The Black Rats"!
<B>One final thing, isn't it true that even "regular" plod don't like Traffic?[/quote]
That's why we're nicknamed "The Black Rats"!
08 February 2001, 01:27 PM
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take a step back...there's always a small minority of people in a given profession who behave poorly and cause resentment, whether they be bizzies, estate agents, journalists or independent financial advisors.
even though police are different because they enforce the law, the human factor always means bad apples. it's people that are idiotic, not the job they do.
the problem as i see it lies solely with politicians and civil servants. they are the law makers and the budget holders and to be frank, they are truly useless in the way they mis-manage and mis-prioritise what the police do.
they work on three settings only:
- money
- political expediency
- both
and serve whichever pressure group or lobby shouts loudly enough, long enough or which has the deepest pockets. Amoral and corrupt, just as it has always been - only being british, we do it more politely and more plausibly. though not as stylishly or brazenly as the french, perhaps.
the judiciary? a lapdog: couldn't punish its way out of a paper bag. so use your vote and use it well, nationally and locally because that's all we have.
this is turning into a potentially endless rant so i'm stopping here. kick the MPs not the coppers. we-eell, only if they deserve it.
even though police are different because they enforce the law, the human factor always means bad apples. it's people that are idiotic, not the job they do.
the problem as i see it lies solely with politicians and civil servants. they are the law makers and the budget holders and to be frank, they are truly useless in the way they mis-manage and mis-prioritise what the police do.
they work on three settings only:
- money
- political expediency
- both
and serve whichever pressure group or lobby shouts loudly enough, long enough or which has the deepest pockets. Amoral and corrupt, just as it has always been - only being british, we do it more politely and more plausibly. though not as stylishly or brazenly as the french, perhaps.
the judiciary? a lapdog: couldn't punish its way out of a paper bag. so use your vote and use it well, nationally and locally because that's all we have.
this is turning into a potentially endless rant so i'm stopping here. kick the MPs not the coppers. we-eell, only if they deserve it.
08 February 2001, 01:41 PM
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The police cannot win can they? They are an organisation created to stop people doing things they like doing, whether that be burgling, mugging, conning old people or speeding etc. etc.
You try to stop somone doing something they like doing (all you parents out there know what I mean) and I guarantee they will immediately express their respect and admiration for you!
Oh, yeah Mr Frank, I saw that prog last night too. Unbelieveable swaggering arrogant criminal detritus. I could have cried for the policeman. I was apoplectic.
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You try to stop somone doing something they like doing (all you parents out there know what I mean) and I guarantee they will immediately express their respect and admiration for you!
Oh, yeah Mr Frank, I saw that prog last night too. Unbelieveable swaggering arrogant criminal detritus. I could have cried for the policeman. I was apoplectic.
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08 February 2001, 01:55 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Daryl:
<B>do you apply the letter of the law or use your discretion when confronted with someone who has commited an offence.[/quote]
Depends on a wide range of factors. It's a bit pointless going into hypothetical situations, but on the most part I use my powers of discretion. The fact that I haven't had a complaint made against me in 8 years shows I've got to be doing something right!!
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Paul Frank:
<B>Did anyone watch the ITV police prog tonight? see the car squad guys with that **** who had been stealing cars & chopping 'em for spares?
& what did he get (multiple offences) - £500 & a bit of community service . . . I thought the copper was going to cry. UNBELIEVEABLE.
Did you see it Stuart? Comment? or would you rather not?[/quote]
Lets put it this way, I was three quarters of the way through a 12 pack of Stella at this point
, and as my better (?) half was only to quick to point out this morning, I was having an argument with the telly!! 
Sadly, that's life. We don't make the rules, we only enforce 'em according to the directives received from on high. We don't get to dish out the punishments either
. You do sometimes feel it's been a waste of time, but usually with people like that there's always next time.
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<B>do you apply the letter of the law or use your discretion when confronted with someone who has commited an offence.[/quote]
Depends on a wide range of factors. It's a bit pointless going into hypothetical situations, but on the most part I use my powers of discretion. The fact that I haven't had a complaint made against me in 8 years shows I've got to be doing something right!!
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Paul Frank:
<B>Did anyone watch the ITV police prog tonight? see the car squad guys with that **** who had been stealing cars & chopping 'em for spares?
& what did he get (multiple offences) - £500 & a bit of community service . . . I thought the copper was going to cry. UNBELIEVEABLE.
Did you see it Stuart? Comment? or would you rather not?[/quote]
Lets put it this way, I was three quarters of the way through a 12 pack of Stella at this point
, and as my better (?) half was only to quick to point out this morning, I was having an argument with the telly!! Sadly, that's life. We don't make the rules, we only enforce 'em according to the directives received from on high. We don't get to dish out the punishments either
. You do sometimes feel it's been a waste of time, but usually with people like that there's always next time.[This message has been edited by Stuart H (edited 08 February 2001).]
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I don't understand why people are getting so overheated about this. If you speed and get away with it you feel smug. If you get caught then they are perfectly entitled to feel smug and act like 'little Hitler.' I have had plenty of run in's with the law. I take my chances and pay the price if I get caught. I also don't like the fact that some dozy police officer doesn't allow me print my own money instead of working. This is also a victimless crime....
For those of you who are bitching about use of discretion. What would you suggest is a reasonable speed limit for motorway traffic?
For those of you who are bitching about use of discretion. What would you suggest is a reasonable speed limit for motorway traffic?
08 February 2001, 07:47 PM
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For those on this thread who are convinced that the police do nothing, please read this extract from the Metropolitan Police news log:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>Three people have been arrested today 7/2 following a major Metropolitan Police Operation involving both Divisional and Flying Squad officers in Twickenham.
The men are being questioned about a number of serious offences in South London including attempted armed robbery, kidnapping and assaulting a police officer.
The string of incidents began at approx 03:30 when three male suspects broke into a flat above the Halifax Building Society in Percy Rd Twickenham.
They tied up the flat's three occupants - two males and one female and severely beat them. One of the occupants received a stab wound to the shoulder.
The suspects remained in the flat for over five hours, while they waited for the building society to open.
Some time around 0900 the men tore up the floorboards and made entry to the building society below.
The branch had just opened and staff were terrified when the three suspects leapt though the ceiling above them.
They proceeded to beat and kick two female assistants and continued to assault them when their demands for cash were not met.
One of the women sustained serious leg injuries and had some of her hair pulled out in the attack.
Having failed in the robbery, the suspects fled the building society.
They were disturbed by a patrolling police constable who was pushed to the ground as he tried to detain them.
The officer, who was not injured, gave chase but the suspects got into a waiting black Rover car , and drove away towards Hospital Bridge Rd.
The Rover was then involved in a collision with two other vehicles in Powder Mill Lane.
Having got out of the vehicle, two of the suspects tried to hijack a car parked in a nearby drive.
They pulled the female driver out of the car and threw her to the ground.
Unable to start the car they made off on foot and were arrested nearby.
The third suspect fled to a nearby garage, where he was traced by a police dog.
The suspect threatened the dog and his handler with a knife - trying to stab them both. Fortunately neither were injured, and the man was quickly arrested.
The police dog is being seen by a vet and the officer will be seen by a doctor.
DCI Peter Fitzpatrick from Barnes Flying Squad said:" This was a particularly vicious attack on a number of innocent members of the public.
"These men were quite prepared to use extreme violence and five people are in hospital as a result of their callous actions.
"The Flying Squad is extremely skilled in dealing with this type of offence and will not tolerate this sort of violence. "
Three men are in custody at Twickenham, Richmond and Kingston police stations where they will be interviewed later today.[/quote]
Thankfully the officer and his dog Monty are fine. If it wasn't for the lovely people that we deal with daily.......
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>Three people have been arrested today 7/2 following a major Metropolitan Police Operation involving both Divisional and Flying Squad officers in Twickenham.
The men are being questioned about a number of serious offences in South London including attempted armed robbery, kidnapping and assaulting a police officer.
The string of incidents began at approx 03:30 when three male suspects broke into a flat above the Halifax Building Society in Percy Rd Twickenham.
They tied up the flat's three occupants - two males and one female and severely beat them. One of the occupants received a stab wound to the shoulder.
The suspects remained in the flat for over five hours, while they waited for the building society to open.
Some time around 0900 the men tore up the floorboards and made entry to the building society below.
The branch had just opened and staff were terrified when the three suspects leapt though the ceiling above them.
They proceeded to beat and kick two female assistants and continued to assault them when their demands for cash were not met.
One of the women sustained serious leg injuries and had some of her hair pulled out in the attack.
Having failed in the robbery, the suspects fled the building society.
They were disturbed by a patrolling police constable who was pushed to the ground as he tried to detain them.
The officer, who was not injured, gave chase but the suspects got into a waiting black Rover car , and drove away towards Hospital Bridge Rd.
The Rover was then involved in a collision with two other vehicles in Powder Mill Lane.
Having got out of the vehicle, two of the suspects tried to hijack a car parked in a nearby drive.
They pulled the female driver out of the car and threw her to the ground.
Unable to start the car they made off on foot and were arrested nearby.
The third suspect fled to a nearby garage, where he was traced by a police dog.
The suspect threatened the dog and his handler with a knife - trying to stab them both. Fortunately neither were injured, and the man was quickly arrested.
The police dog is being seen by a vet and the officer will be seen by a doctor.
DCI Peter Fitzpatrick from Barnes Flying Squad said:" This was a particularly vicious attack on a number of innocent members of the public.
"These men were quite prepared to use extreme violence and five people are in hospital as a result of their callous actions.
"The Flying Squad is extremely skilled in dealing with this type of offence and will not tolerate this sort of violence. "
Three men are in custody at Twickenham, Richmond and Kingston police stations where they will be interviewed later today.[/quote]
Thankfully the officer and his dog Monty are fine.
If it wasn't for the lovely people that we deal with daily.......[This message has been edited by Stuart H (edited 08 February 2001).]
08 February 2001, 10:32 PM
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Oh well. There's naff all you can do about the Police, so why bother moaning.
We all know we love them really, they are such a balanced group of chaps generally,
( chips on both shoulders, get outa my way, blue lights on, my pies are goin' cold).
They have a hard job to do, under adverse conditions, underpaid, overworked, underappreciated, misunderstood,taken for granted, subject of bad press etc.ect.
We all know we love them really, they are such a balanced group of chaps generally,
( chips on both shoulders, get outa my way, blue lights on, my pies are goin' cold).
They have a hard job to do, under adverse conditions, underpaid, overworked, underappreciated, misunderstood,taken for granted, subject of bad press etc.ect.
09 February 2001, 01:45 PM
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Whilst they are being questioned I think this is a case where a blind eye should be turned if Old Bill communicates with these "creatures" in the only language those bstards understand.
09 February 2001, 03:05 PM
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Well, I wonder if the lady who had her hair torn out and her head kicked in at work, or the occupants of the flat who were beaten and stabbed would like the perpetrators to have some "counselling".
Yes, that's the way forward. My ****.
Yes, that's the way forward. My ****.
09 February 2001, 03:09 PM
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Wow! What a result. It must be a first that they actually caught a REAL criminal, even if it was by there own doing
The police are paid to do a job, I dont feel any sympathy for them, either for the things they see or the injuries they receive in the line of duty. They chose that proffesion and the risks involved.
The police are paid to do a job, I dont feel any sympathy for them, either for the things they see or the injuries they receive in the line of duty. They chose that proffesion and the risks involved.
09 February 2001, 03:34 PM
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Mr Leigh.
I would love to see you say that to the face of the officers family who died protecting the members of the public in Essex yesterday by slowing cars after a crash. That would take some real *****. Posting that u have no sympathy for Police and how they put their lives on the line for other is total ****e. Its offensive to those on here to represent the law and also shows that you have not had the aid of the Police.
There is a certain Police officer on here who last week (on the way to meet me for a drink) had to get under a London underground train to look at the body of someone who jumped in front of a Tube train. Part of his job he says to me (not on duty I hasten to add) but you really have crossed the line and sincerley hope that you retract your thoughts for those who know people who risk their life and limbs doing their jobs, be they military/paramedics/fire brigade/police etc etc. The risk becomes pride for these guys, it makes them proud that no other would do what they do in their given situation.
Being shot at/stabbed/beaten up is a weekly occurance for these guys who protect the people you love.
God forbid that one day, you need one of these guys in a situation whereby they need to take a risk to save your ****.
Think before you speak. You may be entitled to an opinion but no way will you treat these guys with so much disrespect on this BBS.
Ronnie
I would love to see you say that to the face of the officers family who died protecting the members of the public in Essex yesterday by slowing cars after a crash. That would take some real *****. Posting that u have no sympathy for Police and how they put their lives on the line for other is total ****e. Its offensive to those on here to represent the law and also shows that you have not had the aid of the Police.
There is a certain Police officer on here who last week (on the way to meet me for a drink) had to get under a London underground train to look at the body of someone who jumped in front of a Tube train. Part of his job he says to me (not on duty I hasten to add) but you really have crossed the line and sincerley hope that you retract your thoughts for those who know people who risk their life and limbs doing their jobs, be they military/paramedics/fire brigade/police etc etc. The risk becomes pride for these guys, it makes them proud that no other would do what they do in their given situation.
Being shot at/stabbed/beaten up is a weekly occurance for these guys who protect the people you love.
God forbid that one day, you need one of these guys in a situation whereby they need to take a risk to save your ****.
Think before you speak. You may be entitled to an opinion but no way will you treat these guys with so much disrespect on this BBS.
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09 February 2001, 03:51 PM
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BarryK,
What these people need is a short sharp shock in prison. And then, maybe, not so short.
We DO NOT want to get into the situation where the police dish out summary justice. It is for the courts to decide how people are punished, once proven guilty.
While in prison, they should be punished, not given 5 star gym facilities, computers, etc..
Ronnie,
Mr Leigh is entitled to his opinion. As are you and me.
C
What these people need is a short sharp shock in prison. And then, maybe, not so short.
We DO NOT want to get into the situation where the police dish out summary justice. It is for the courts to decide how people are punished, once proven guilty.
While in prison, they should be punished, not given 5 star gym facilities, computers, etc..
Ronnie,
Mr Leigh is entitled to his opinion. As are you and me.
C
09 February 2001, 04:56 PM
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Ron,
Watch your blood pressure mate
I do agree with you though ... 110 % as you know.
Look, let's leave the discussion about 'cops are good / cops are bad' out of the way. I'm sure that you all have excellent skills on how to judge this. Foreigners, cops, nurses, lesbos, communists, we all have so incredibly well informed opinions about them :eek. It's called democracy.
But ...
Mr. Leigh, maybe you might just (slightly) want to show a bit more respect for Stuart. Of course, he is one of those pigs, sure, know what you mean, wink wink, nudge nudge. Coppers, uh ?
BUT ...
He gives *great* information on this BBS, he is a fellow car nut, and never ever plays the "I'm the daddy" role. He even uses his muppetize button with restraint
He is a fellow Scoobynet member, and he deserves a bit more respect - let alone attention - to his posts.
This is starting to get downright insulting, and I'm sure you didn't mean it that way.
Right ?
Theo [a non-copper, and about to be flamed by Webmaster again LOL]
Watch your blood pressure mate
I do agree with you though ... 110 % as you know.
Look, let's leave the discussion about 'cops are good / cops are bad' out of the way. I'm sure that you all have excellent skills on how to judge this. Foreigners, cops, nurses, lesbos, communists, we all have so incredibly well informed opinions about them :eek. It's called democracy.
But ...
Mr. Leigh, maybe you might just (slightly) want to show a bit more respect for Stuart. Of course, he is one of those pigs, sure, know what you mean, wink wink, nudge nudge. Coppers, uh ?
BUT ...
He gives *great* information on this BBS, he is a fellow car nut, and never ever plays the "I'm the daddy" role. He even uses his muppetize button with restraint
He is a fellow Scoobynet member, and he deserves a bit more respect - let alone attention - to his posts.
This is starting to get downright insulting, and I'm sure you didn't mean it that way.
Right ?
Theo [a non-copper, and about to be flamed by Webmaster again LOL]
09 February 2001, 05:44 PM
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Cem, maybe I forgot a hyphen here or there 
Please remember that I'm not writing in my own language... I'm not as talented as you are with your conversations with P1WR
But I did not mean the Greek island, no
Theo
[editing some more spelling mistakes, aargh, can't win LOL ]
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Please remember that I'm not writing in my own language... I'm not as talented as you are with your conversations with P1WR
But I did not mean the Greek island, no
Theo
[editing some more spelling mistakes, aargh, can't win LOL ]
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RonaldoH - I am aware of the good the police do. I hear it on the news the same as everyone else.
I have close family in the police and the forces and I am not ignorant of the Forces ethos myself
Proud of the risks they take. This does not make for a good police officer. If you are proud or enjoy the risk you become a risk.
Proud that they do what no other would do in there situation. The officer that has that attitude is typical. Them civilians and us Cops. Obviously being a police officer does not make you a better person.
Dont assume that you know everything about a person and there history because of a few lines you read on a computer screen Muppet.
EvilBevel - You are right, I did not write that post to offend people, my veiws offend people. So be it. I will post no further on the subject. In truth, obviously I would even put out a policeman if he were on fire - using an extinguisher
To anyone else that wants to jump on the Mr Leigh is Dr Evil soap box, take a bow and kiss my ***
I have close family in the police and the forces and I am not ignorant of the Forces ethos myself
Proud of the risks they take. This does not make for a good police officer. If you are proud or enjoy the risk you become a risk.
Proud that they do what no other would do in there situation. The officer that has that attitude is typical. Them civilians and us Cops. Obviously being a police officer does not make you a better person.
Dont assume that you know everything about a person and there history because of a few lines you read on a computer screen Muppet.
EvilBevel - You are right, I did not write that post to offend people, my veiws offend people. So be it. I will post no further on the subject. In truth, obviously I would even put out a policeman if he were on fire - using an extinguisher
To anyone else that wants to jump on the Mr Leigh is Dr Evil soap box, take a bow and kiss my ***
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Alike any kind of profession you get good people / bad and some who play everything by the book to cover there own back.
So yes unfortunately there is plod out there that will play everything by the book and will pull you over for doing 34 in a 30 limit or having a small piece of mud on your number plate or in your case having a small space in between your plate. and will fine you without any question.
These type of plod are usually new to the job, young and inexperienced they also have a huge ego problem / chip on the old shoulder and can be vindictive.
The next type of plod is one who will pull you for minor offences i.e. slightly speeding but although they know you are breaking the law will take into consideration their own judgment of your character, i.e. if your cheeky ,offensive to them or not honest they will see right through you and issue you with a fine/points. However if you come across as a reasonably nice person they will let you go Scott free. This type of plod is respectable in my eyes.
The next level of plod is the hero type , who are only concerned in the big stuff , i.e. high speed car chase / and catching thiefs breaking into cars. These are known as the highly respectable plod.
So there you have it not all coppers are *~*
you just hit unlucky
Oh btw I am not a copper.
So yes unfortunately there is plod out there that will play everything by the book and will pull you over for doing 34 in a 30 limit or having a small piece of mud on your number plate or in your case having a small space in between your plate. and will fine you without any question.
These type of plod are usually new to the job, young and inexperienced they also have a huge ego problem / chip on the old shoulder and can be vindictive.
The next type of plod is one who will pull you for minor offences i.e. slightly speeding but although they know you are breaking the law will take into consideration their own judgment of your character, i.e. if your cheeky ,offensive to them or not honest they will see right through you and issue you with a fine/points. However if you come across as a reasonably nice person they will let you go Scott free. This type of plod is respectable in my eyes.
The next level of plod is the hero type , who are only concerned in the big stuff , i.e. high speed car chase / and catching thiefs breaking into cars. These are known as the highly respectable plod.
So there you have it not all coppers are *~*
you just hit unlucky
Oh btw I am not a copper.
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Thank you for all the response, deep down I know they are not all bad just the few on ego trips. I was wrong and big enough to admit it, but it was the attitiude of the PC that got my back up. So come on all the good Coppers who can use common sense, discretion and want the respect from Joe Public try to teach these A Hitlers the error of their ways. Cheers for all good sensible cops. PS number plate back to standard don't want a Q reg.
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