Spooky Mulder

I never said the Qu'ran said that - I said that there are those who do espouse such distorted ideas. I have certainly seen tv clips and news clips of various views such as 'death to the infidel' and other more specific statements in the name of the Qu'ran. As well as documentaries of those who will (mis)quote the Qu'ran justifying acts such as 9/11.

Dedrater

So not only being forced into believing religion like being brought up being mentally handicapped, but you also get abused by some nut job along the way.

Great.

dpb

Theyre up their with the best extortionists as well , have been for hundreds of years

Leslie

These are shameful revelations and the people involved are disgusting and deserve the maximum punishment possible.

As Paul Hapgood says, it is unfair to denigrate the entire religion for the crimes of those who did this. I reckon that you will find that such evil people are likely to appear in any organisation which cares for young children. It does not excuse those who covered it up, but it is also behaviour which would never of course be sanctioned by the Catholic religion in its teachings. As ever with so many bad occurreneces, it is down to people and not to the teachings of the Church.

I think that wherever possible, those responsible for those acts, and also those who turned a blind eye should be singled out and severely dealt with.

The attempted jokes do not prove a thing of course and could be applied to many different organisations too of course.

Les

hodgy0_2

but the serious point Les is that the cover up goes right to the top, the very top in fact these priests were continually moved about, country to country even, when accusations were made against them

and as i pointed out, abuses not just by the men, but nuns too and not just in Northern Island, but here in the UK, Southern Island and America. Americe where the Catholic church was sued for millions of dollars for abuses and cover ups going back tens of years

it seems the whole religion is somehow rotten not an isolated few. And its a sorry state if the only defence it to say the the Taliban are pretty bad too

Leslie

I agree with what you say about those in the organisation of the Church and I think it is a shameful episode. Those responsible should be found and sacked! If necessary excommunicated.

I stick to my point though, that is is not part of the teachings of the religion that such behaviour is permissible in any way or should be condoned. Rather in the way that Islam does not teach mayhem,destruction, or terrorism of innocent people.

There is no way that the whole of the membership of that religion can be considered to accept such behaviour. Not even all of our MP's took advantage of the broad-ranging so called "rules".

Les

Leslie

You can say you repent as many times as you like. What really counts though is whether you really mean it sincerely. Just saying it means nothing. The truth of all that of course is between your God and yourself. The priest of course would not know, but the actual forgiveness comes from your God anyway, should you actually deserve it!

Les

subaruturbo_18

I will reply to this thread with a video....


YouTube - Religion on Society

Dedrater

tbh, I don't think I have ever met a Priest, at weddings etc, who I didn't consider to be a pedophile.

+ all the choir boys all walk like John Wayne, whats all that about his films must be popular among church goers I guess

Martin2005

Well as Jesus once said, a tree shall be known by it's fruit....

Catholisism as long sort to rule by fear and predjudice, and has never been shy of using both mental and physical abuse.

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

In reference to the whole religion debate, I'd like to quote South Park:

Jesus: My son.......I'm not touching this with a 10 foot barge pole!

subaruturbo_18

You need to check out the link to youtube i posted a few posts up, south park at its best

moneys

iTrader: (5)

Bloody hell i misread the title for this, i thought it said Charlotte Church

Leslie

That is a gross generalisation Martin, and demonstrates that you don't know enough about the subject to be able to comment accurately and fairly.

Les

Dedrater

It is well documented though Leslie, I think it is accepted fact among scholars (not associated with a religion, laymen) that is what religion was all about, control.

In this day and age it is not so prevalent, we now have a central government that control us.

Martin2005

Well Les given that you have now set yourself up as our expert, please inform me on which bit I have grossly generalised, and put me straight where necessary

Leslie

Not necessarily true about religion as such. Although as we well know there are people who will use a religion as a vehicle to gain control over susceptible people and use them for their own selfish purposes. If you look at the basics of most religions, the teachimgs are such to encourage people to lead good and unselfish lives. The religions were not designed to control people so much as to influence their way of life for the good of others. I am not intending to single out any particular religion in those statements. There are also of course organisations which are set up which very different and which have unfortunate ambitions in mind.

Your point about our leaders is pretty good though!

Martin,

I think it is you who was setting himself up as an expert. My answer above should suffice anyway, but the point I was making is that your statements were factually unfair and inaccurate.

Les