Our unelected PM.......
04 June 2009, 12:46 PM
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Some key facts:
John major: Came in to power in November 1990 During the Gulf war
Brown : Came in to power in June 2007, there was no war (apart from a total mess in the middle East).
Major: called an election in April 1992; After 15 months in power
Brown: Not yet called an election; Has been in power for nearly 24months
Major: Won the general election with 14,093,007 votes in 1992
Tony Blair won with 13,518,167 votes in 1997 ( "landslide" yeah right as a percentage, yes. But Major still had more votes in 1992
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Repeat general election reults for Blair are: 10,724,953 in 2001 and 9,562,122 in 2005 ALL less than the number of votes Major had in 1992 .
Brown: Most likely not to win any election
I'm sure there is some more little factoids I can dig up
(And FYI, I'm a right wing Marxist 
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John major: Came in to power in November 1990 During the Gulf war
Brown : Came in to power in June 2007, there was no war (apart from a total mess in the middle East).
Major: called an election in April 1992; After 15 months in power
Brown: Not yet called an election; Has been in power for nearly 24months
Major: Won the general election with 14,093,007 votes in 1992
Tony Blair won with 13,518,167 votes in 1997 ( "landslide" yeah right as a percentage, yes. But Major still had more votes in 1992
)Repeat general election reults for Blair are: 10,724,953 in 2001 and 9,562,122 in 2005 ALL less than the number of votes Major had in 1992 .
Brown: Most likely not to win any election
I'm sure there is some more little factoids I can dig up
(And FYI, I'm a right wing Marxist )Facts facts facts
04 June 2009, 01:07 PM
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Do you think that Billy's undoubted skills at manipulation of the electorate had nothing to do with the election of his party in the first place? He even had you fooled Pete, he was your hero on a pedestal, and look what he did for the country!
Of course the party leader is one of the big factors in an election.
Les
Of course the party leader is one of the big factors in an election.
Les
And who the hell is Billy?
04 June 2009, 01:09 PM
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Geezer is quite correct ....... we do not elect a leader in this country, we elect a party - and we elected Labour.
We have what we elected, end of.
Looks very much like our economy will be the first to emerge from the turmoil .... not something which would have happened under the Tories (who, you may remember, suggested that we do absolutely nothing!).
People are feeling rather well off at the moment, and outside of the Tory loving SN, people are intelligent enough to see who runs the economy best - that's Labour!
I'm not going to vote Labour again .... and the Tories have not a chance in hell of attracting my vote. But, out of the two - Labour are the better choice.
We have what we elected, end of.
Looks very much like our economy will be the first to emerge from the turmoil .... not something which would have happened under the Tories (who, you may remember, suggested that we do absolutely nothing!).
People are feeling rather well off at the moment, and outside of the Tory loving SN, people are intelligent enough to see who runs the economy best - that's Labour!
I'm not going to vote Labour again .... and the Tories have not a chance in hell of attracting my vote. But, out of the two - Labour are the better choice.
Oh, and Labour have an awesome track record in running the economy don't they. Having the IMF take over the country's finances in the 70's. Also, despite taking over a very healthy ecomony in the late 90's, managed to preside over a period of highly dubious (not to mention greedy) banking policy which directly lead to the near collapse of the economy.
I presume you are either being ironic, or you are on some form of drugs which make you delusional.
04 June 2009, 01:30 PM
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People are feeling well off at the moment are they? Exactly which people - outside of grasping MP's - are feeling well off? The same people that aren't buying cars because of uncertainty with the ecomony and job security?
Oh, and Labour have an awesome track record in running the economy don't they. Having the IMF take over the country's finances in the 70's. Also, despite taking over a very healthy ecomony in the late 90's, managed to preside over a period of highly dubious (not to mention greedy) banking policy which directly lead to the near collapse of the economy.
I presume you are either being ironic, or you are on some form of drugs which make you delusional.
Oh, and Labour have an awesome track record in running the economy don't they. Having the IMF take over the country's finances in the 70's. Also, despite taking over a very healthy ecomony in the late 90's, managed to preside over a period of highly dubious (not to mention greedy) banking policy which directly lead to the near collapse of the economy.
I presume you are either being ironic, or you are on some form of drugs which make you delusional.
Both party's have presided over economic disasters in the past 2 decades. Arguably the last conservative governments ERM disaster was far more of their own making than the current mess is this governments.
04 June 2009, 01:31 PM
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That'll be Billy Liar, or Tony B. Liar to you
As for the unelected PM, via DK at The Devil's Kitchen here's an article from the Private Eye archives, from 4th May 1984... even back then he'd been found out!
"... Dr Gordon Brown
The new Labour member for Dunfermline East, Dr Gordon Brown, is typical of the brand of mediocre, middle-class careerists who make up an increasing proportion of the undistinguished lobby-fodder and whom Labour habitually returns from Scotland, though he has greater academic pretensions than most.
Brown shot to provincial fame on being elected as Edinburgh University’s first student Rector in the late 1960s and ever since his ambition has outstripped his ability. Although, in a tribute, his old history tutor Dr Paul Addison has stated that Brown was “always more than a swot”, it appears that he lacked certain essential social graces. He never fully recovered from his rejection as suitor by the lovely Princess Marguerita of Romania (who works as a computer programmer in the University’s Computer Department) and ever since has devoted himself obsessively to his political career.
Before becoming Labour’s Scottish Chairman (a meaningless appointment made on the “Buggins’ Turn” principle) Brown worked on a series of current affairs documentaries for Scottish TV which were so excruciatingly dull that he was mercifully taken off the air (he has two brothers in the Scots media).
Once again he has been exceeding his limitations in his new role as a Scots lackey in the outer limits of Kinnock’s kitchen cabinet. A recent Sunday Times article which he had ghosted for the new labour leader had to be withdrawn as “hopeless” by Kinnock’s press officer, Patricia “Harpie” Hewitt.
In June, Brown will enjoy a three-week CIA freebie trip to the USA (he will get $60 a day pocket money while out there.) Kinnock felt obliged to approve this unfashionable hostage to fortune because he himself had been on a similar trip some years ago ..."
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That'll be Billy Liar, or Tony B. Liar to you
As for the unelected PM, via DK at The Devil's Kitchen here's an article from the Private Eye archives, from 4th May 1984... even back then he'd been found out!
"... Dr Gordon Brown
The new Labour member for Dunfermline East, Dr Gordon Brown, is typical of the brand of mediocre, middle-class careerists who make up an increasing proportion of the undistinguished lobby-fodder and whom Labour habitually returns from Scotland, though he has greater academic pretensions than most.
Brown shot to provincial fame on being elected as Edinburgh University’s first student Rector in the late 1960s and ever since his ambition has outstripped his ability. Although, in a tribute, his old history tutor Dr Paul Addison has stated that Brown was “always more than a swot”, it appears that he lacked certain essential social graces. He never fully recovered from his rejection as suitor by the lovely Princess Marguerita of Romania (who works as a computer programmer in the University’s Computer Department) and ever since has devoted himself obsessively to his political career.
Before becoming Labour’s Scottish Chairman (a meaningless appointment made on the “Buggins’ Turn” principle) Brown worked on a series of current affairs documentaries for Scottish TV which were so excruciatingly dull that he was mercifully taken off the air (he has two brothers in the Scots media).
Once again he has been exceeding his limitations in his new role as a Scots lackey in the outer limits of Kinnock’s kitchen cabinet. A recent Sunday Times article which he had ghosted for the new labour leader had to be withdrawn as “hopeless” by Kinnock’s press officer, Patricia “Harpie” Hewitt.
In June, Brown will enjoy a three-week CIA freebie trip to the USA (he will get $60 a day pocket money while out there.) Kinnock felt obliged to approve this unfashionable hostage to fortune because he himself had been on a similar trip some years ago ..."
Dave
As for the unelected PM, via DK at The Devil's Kitchen here's an article from the Private Eye archives, from 4th May 1984... even back then he'd been found out!
"... Dr Gordon Brown
The new Labour member for Dunfermline East, Dr Gordon Brown, is typical of the brand of mediocre, middle-class careerists who make up an increasing proportion of the undistinguished lobby-fodder and whom Labour habitually returns from Scotland, though he has greater academic pretensions than most.
Brown shot to provincial fame on being elected as Edinburgh University’s first student Rector in the late 1960s and ever since his ambition has outstripped his ability. Although, in a tribute, his old history tutor Dr Paul Addison has stated that Brown was “always more than a swot”, it appears that he lacked certain essential social graces. He never fully recovered from his rejection as suitor by the lovely Princess Marguerita of Romania (who works as a computer programmer in the University’s Computer Department) and ever since has devoted himself obsessively to his political career.
Before becoming Labour’s Scottish Chairman (a meaningless appointment made on the “Buggins’ Turn” principle) Brown worked on a series of current affairs documentaries for Scottish TV which were so excruciatingly dull that he was mercifully taken off the air (he has two brothers in the Scots media).
Once again he has been exceeding his limitations in his new role as a Scots lackey in the outer limits of Kinnock’s kitchen cabinet. A recent Sunday Times article which he had ghosted for the new labour leader had to be withdrawn as “hopeless” by Kinnock’s press officer, Patricia “Harpie” Hewitt.
In June, Brown will enjoy a three-week CIA freebie trip to the USA (he will get $60 a day pocket money while out there.) Kinnock felt obliged to approve this unfashionable hostage to fortune because he himself had been on a similar trip some years ago ..."
Dave
This just exposes the posters mental state and one-sided view of the world, and of course does absolutely nothing for improving the quality of political discourse.
I'll never understand this
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04 June 2009, 02:48 PM
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As for name calling, ever asked yourself what the problem is if almost EVERYBODY is doing it? They live up to their caricatures and childish names - you just couldn't make up the cr*p that's happening now. All cheapening our democracy and pointing out the obvious deficiencies with our present system.
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But that's only to do with sending people to get killed for their country. Nowt important there then .... And people wonder why politicians are held in such low esteem or some people, mentioning no names, resort to 'caricatures' or 'name calling' ....
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YOU asked who 'Billy' was! I was just putting you out of your misery so you could sleep peacefully tonight ...
As for name calling, ever asked yourself what the problem is if almost EVERYBODY is doing it? They live up to their caricatures and childish names - you just couldn't make up the cr*p that's happening now. All cheapening our democracy and pointing out the obvious deficiencies with our present system.
Dave
As for name calling, ever asked yourself what the problem is if almost EVERYBODY is doing it? They live up to their caricatures and childish names - you just couldn't make up the cr*p that's happening now. All cheapening our democracy and pointing out the obvious deficiencies with our present system.
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04 June 2009, 04:27 PM
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If you see what I mean ...
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04 June 2009, 04:50 PM
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I read somewhere that if 650 members of the general public were put in the same position, the expected outcome would the same....something to do with human nature i expect, I'll try and find it.
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Surely you must agree that this isn't an MP thing, it's a human nature thing, to suggest otherwise would is bizarre as it would suggest that MPs either aren't human, or that they deliberately targeted a career in politics so they could claim questionable expenses
04 June 2009, 05:34 PM
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I am intrigued though, by the implication that I'm always on here spouting off one sided posts. I didn't realised I posted that much for someone to form such an opinion, certainly not for quite a while anyway. Moaning old crap, yes. But one sided political commentary...
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If Labour pull us out of the current economic climate and into the sunny dawn of a brave new world of wealth in abundance once again ...... then they will have pulled off the greatest economic feats of modern times.
On that, alone, they should be re-elected for another 4 years!
On that, alone, they should be re-elected for another 4 years!
04 June 2009, 08:10 PM
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If Labour pull us out of the current economic climate and into the sunny dawn of a brave new world of wealth in abundance once again ...... then they will have pulled off the greatest economic feats of modern times.
On that, alone, they should be re-elected for another 4 years!
On that, alone, they should be re-elected for another 4 years!
right on cue...
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If Labour pull us out of the current economic climate and into the sunny dawn of a brave new world of wealth in abundance once again ...... then they will have pulled off the greatest economic feats of modern times.
On that, alone, they should be re-elected for another 4 years!
On that, alone, they should be re-elected for another 4 years!
What a load of pis*, as usual you total and utter
Get a grip ffs.......
Bring back the insta ban, please Lord
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