The numbers are in, and Labour are...
05 June 2009, 01:26 PM
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I'm no supporter of Labour .... I will not vote for them, they have stitched me up.
Let's get that absolutely straight.
BUT, I am lending my vast experience of life for the benefit of those a bit wet behind the ears ........ I have seen a Tory Government, lived it, worked through it - and I can assure you that you do not want that over what we have now!
I'm still stuggling to see what Brown has done wrong by the country (yes, he has robbed me of my Pension - but that is personal to me) ........ but it looks like he is about to pull the UK out of the WORLD Economic Crisis - the Tories would have let us stew (in the sure knowledge that their toffie nosed supporters are immune to financial strains).
Maybe we could do with a change next June - June 2010 - but the Tories are NOT the viable option .................
Let's get that absolutely straight.
BUT, I am lending my vast experience of life for the benefit of those a bit wet behind the ears ........ I have seen a Tory Government, lived it, worked through it - and I can assure you that you do not want that over what we have now!
I'm still stuggling to see what Brown has done wrong by the country (yes, he has robbed me of my Pension - but that is personal to me) ........ but it looks like he is about to pull the UK out of the WORLD Economic Crisis - the Tories would have let us stew (in the sure knowledge that their toffie nosed supporters are immune to financial strains).
Maybe we could do with a change next June - June 2010 - but the Tories are NOT the viable option .................
Contradiction seems to be a strong point Pete.
You cant see what he has done wrong, but wont vote for him as he has pissed on your pension. Do you think you are the only person in the UK that has been affected by him and his decision.
Blimey Gordon you could have a battle on your hands for title of biggest ego
Lets keep it real now shall we. Heads of banks were not the ones that actually made the deals that sunk them, they took the fall, head of sicial services did not harm Baby P, took the fall. Football managers dont actually miss open goals, but they take the fall..
Seeing a pattern?
Take the head job, all goes wrong, you take the fall and if gracious, you bow out.... if you are a dick you kick and scream claiming you did nothing wrong and want to "get on with the job"
Bye Gordon.
You say the Tories are not the viable option.. They are not the ones tearing themselves apart internally. Last time they did that, the leader stood aside........... Maybe thats another policy that Labour should "inherit"
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05 June 2009, 01:37 PM
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No, you miss the point completely ....... my Pension was guaranteed by the Government of the day, written in HANSARD even, this Labour Government walked away from that agreement - it IS personal to ME - nowt to do with ego's!!
But no-one else gives a crap about the above .......... and, in looking after the UK he has done well.
But no-one else gives a crap about the above .......... and, in looking after the UK he has done well.
05 June 2009, 01:48 PM
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Right now, failing to resign with a shred of dignity intact is what he's doing wrong. Given the boost to the country's morale that a change of PM would bring - from all sides and for various reasons - staying on in no. 10 is an act of pure selfishness.
05 June 2009, 01:49 PM
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No no, you are missing my point. Are you saying you are the only person to have suffered financially or in any other way over the past 12 years due to decisions made by Labour?
THAT is my point, and where ego comes into it.
You come across as if to say "I have a legitimate reason to be unhappy, unlike the rest of you" Sadly you are gonna need to upgrade that 1 man rowing boat to an aircraft carrier, you aint alone.
THAT is my point, and where ego comes into it.
You come across as if to say "I have a legitimate reason to be unhappy, unlike the rest of you" Sadly you are gonna need to upgrade that 1 man rowing boat to an aircraft carrier, you aint alone.
05 June 2009, 01:50 PM
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And demonstrates clearly some peoples intentions in power.
05 June 2009, 02:42 PM
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I could go on, but I'm sure you will simply refute all this and fall back on more "Tories are upper class" crap.
Admit it, Pete, Lying Labour have fekked us ALL, big time, just like the Labour party ALWAYS do
And yes, I too suffered under Maggie, and loathe the bitch and her policies, but Pete, THE COUNTRY CAN'T TAKE MUCH MORE OF LYING LABOUR.:MAD:
05 June 2009, 02:57 PM
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OK, so it was a good thing to raid the pension funds? It was a good thing to bail out the banks, then let them use the money to shore up their bad debts and pay huge bonuses? It's a good thing that the £ has gone form €1.62 to €1.10? And from over $2 to under $1.50? It was a good thing that he sold 50% of our gold at the lowest possible price? It's a good thing that he, and his stupid governement insist on inflicting every daft EC decision on us in full, while other EC states ignore the ones that don't benefit their population? It's a good thing that we pay the highest excise duty on fuel of any member state, so effectively ruining out haulage industry? It's a good thing that most public sector workers, except MPs, have not had a wage rise higher than the TRUE rate of inflation for years? It's a good thing that Britain, far from being well placed to weather this depression, is actually having the worst of any EC member state? It's a good thing that Scots, Irish and Welsh can set their own laws, then come along and interfere in those for England?
I could go on, but I'm sure you will simply refute all this and fall back on more "Tories are upper class" crap.
Admit it, Pete, Lying Labour have fekked us ALL, big time, just like the Labour party ALWAYS do
And yes, I too suffered under Maggie, and loathe the bitch and her policies, but Pete, THE COUNTRY CAN'T TAKE MUCH MORE OF LYING LABOUR.:MAD:
I could go on, but I'm sure you will simply refute all this and fall back on more "Tories are upper class" crap.
Admit it, Pete, Lying Labour have fekked us ALL, big time, just like the Labour party ALWAYS do
And yes, I too suffered under Maggie, and loathe the bitch and her policies, but Pete, THE COUNTRY CAN'T TAKE MUCH MORE OF LYING LABOUR.:MAD:
05 June 2009, 03:04 PM
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OK, so it was a good thing to raid the pension funds? It was a good thing to bail out the banks, then let them use the money to shore up their bad debts and pay huge bonuses? It's a good thing that the £ has gone form €1.62 to €1.10? And from over $2 to under $1.50? It was a good thing that he sold 50% of our gold at the lowest possible price? It's a good thing that he, and his stupid governement insist on inflicting every daft EC decision on us in full, while other EC states ignore the ones that don't benefit their population? It's a good thing that we pay the highest excise duty on fuel of any member state, so effectively ruining out haulage industry? It's a good thing that most public sector workers, except MPs, have not had a wage rise higher than the TRUE rate of inflation for years? It's a good thing that Britain, far from being well placed to weather this depression, is actually having the worst of any EC member state? It's a good thing that Scots, Irish and Welsh can set their own laws, then come along and interfere in those for England?
I could go on, but I'm sure you will simply refute all this and fall back on more "Tories are upper class" crap.
Admit it, Pete, Lying Labour have fekked us ALL, big time, just like the Labour party ALWAYS do
And yes, I too suffered under Maggie, and loathe the bitch and her policies, but Pete, THE COUNTRY CAN'T TAKE MUCH MORE OF LYING LABOUR.:MAD:
I could go on, but I'm sure you will simply refute all this and fall back on more "Tories are upper class" crap.
Admit it, Pete, Lying Labour have fekked us ALL, big time, just like the Labour party ALWAYS do
And yes, I too suffered under Maggie, and loathe the bitch and her policies, but Pete, THE COUNTRY CAN'T TAKE MUCH MORE OF LYING LABOUR.:MAD:
Spot on.
I expect either no reply or "no, I totally agree, and thats why im not voting Labour" from Pete.
There you go Pete, the every day average persons gripes against both Brown and Labour. Yes all the points have arguing points, but all are valid too.
05 June 2009, 03:13 PM
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An example of getting it wrong on a grand scale...
...we will not see the return to the boom and bust economy...
...that's right, we will see the boom and then a catastrophic destruction instead...
...and how much has Mr Tight **** Fiscal Control borrowed to 'steady' the ship in the current crisis?
...and all the global economic advisers have been very clear that the UK is the worst placed economy to deal with the current financial crisis, at least on a par with the US if not worse.
You are right nothing has gone wrong on his watch...
...we will not see the return to the boom and bust economy...
...that's right, we will see the boom and then a catastrophic destruction instead...
...and how much has Mr Tight **** Fiscal Control borrowed to 'steady' the ship in the current crisis?
...and all the global economic advisers have been very clear that the UK is the worst placed economy to deal with the current financial crisis, at least on a par with the US if not worse.
You are right nothing has gone wrong on his watch...
05 June 2009, 03:36 PM
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"I will not allow house prices to get out of control and put at risk the sustainability of the recovery " 1997
"Under this government there will be no unsustainable dashes for growth. No out of control booms, no risk taking with inflation.No quick fixes and no short term manipulation of the economy for political ends"
"No return to boom and bust"
"In any other decade, a house price bubble would have pushed Britain from boom to bust"
Guess who said all the above statements ? All captured on video if you care to youtube "Gordon Brown - NO MORE BOOM AND BUST!! "
Gordon Brown, you are guilty of selling your countrymen out, of bringing our economy to its knees, of bankrupting a whole nation, and of selling all of us and our children into future debt slavery.
History will not be kind to you, and we the people will not stand your lies for much longer.
"Under this government there will be no unsustainable dashes for growth. No out of control booms, no risk taking with inflation.No quick fixes and no short term manipulation of the economy for political ends"
"No return to boom and bust"
"In any other decade, a house price bubble would have pushed Britain from boom to bust"
Guess who said all the above statements ? All captured on video if you care to youtube "Gordon Brown - NO MORE BOOM AND BUST!! "
Gordon Brown, you are guilty of selling your countrymen out, of bringing our economy to its knees, of bankrupting a whole nation, and of selling all of us and our children into future debt slavery.
History will not be kind to you, and we the people will not stand your lies for much longer.
05 June 2009, 04:45 PM
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No no, you are missing my point. Are you saying you are the only person to have suffered financially or in any other way over the past 12 years due to decisions made by Labour?
THAT is my point, and where ego comes into it.
You come across as if to say "I have a legitimate reason to be unhappy, unlike the rest of you" Sadly you are gonna need to upgrade that 1 man rowing boat to an aircraft carrier, you aint alone.
THAT is my point, and where ego comes into it.
You come across as if to say "I have a legitimate reason to be unhappy, unlike the rest of you" Sadly you are gonna need to upgrade that 1 man rowing boat to an aircraft carrier, you aint alone.
My point, to be clear, is that I have been betrayed by this Government - I supported them for years on here .... as well you know. I have taken years of flak by fighting their corner for them. I AM different than most on here when I say I won't vote Labour ..................... most would have NEVER voted Labour - it's got nowt to do with ego!
05 June 2009, 04:54 PM
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You have missed it again - despite me sitting on the deck of this Aircraft Carrier ........ with everyone else!
My point, to be clear, is that I have been betrayed by this Government - I supported them for years on here .... as well you know. I have taken years of flak by fighting their corner for them. I AM different than most on here when I say I won't vote Labour ..................... most would have NEVER voted Labour - it's got nowt to do with ego!
My point, to be clear, is that I have been betrayed by this Government - I supported them for years on here .... as well you know. I have taken years of flak by fighting their corner for them. I AM different than most on here when I say I won't vote Labour ..................... most would have NEVER voted Labour - it's got nowt to do with ego!
And the spurious argument, "better the devil you know", holds no water, I'm afraid...........if it did, how did this lot get in in '97?
05 June 2009, 04:57 PM
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However, we are to continue for another 12 months under the 'New' Cabinet .... whatever we all say.
The economy looks like the Brown measures will actually work and allow us to prosper again .... troops back from Iraq .... employment will be looking good .... you never know, Labour may get re-elected when the chips are down - the alternative just doesn't bear thinking about really, does it?
The economy looks like the Brown measures will actually work and allow us to prosper again .... troops back from Iraq .... employment will be looking good .... you never know, Labour may get re-elected when the chips are down - the alternative just doesn't bear thinking about really, does it?
05 June 2009, 04:57 PM
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Just my 10P's worth, I know I'll prob get hammered but I' getting really sick or reading re-regurgitated crap from the media on forums.
The media in this country is turning into a complete joke, its like on giant episode of big brother.
When I watch the news I want to be informed, instead I get opinion presented as fact.
Things are always taken out of context and everything is completely over hyped.
Yes this government has done some stupid things and some that completely baffle me.
At the end of the day though I'm not doing that bad at the moment. Take the NHS, I just suffered a major asthma attack and spent a few days in Addenbrooks. The place was amazing, staff were very good, food was very good(and there was a lot of it) the tech I was treated with was very good, the place was extremely well maintained with cleaners washing the wards every few hours. Basically I was very happy with my few days I spent there.
Now the last time I stayed in a hospital was about 15 or so years ago now and it was a very different story....So from my own personal experience and as a matter of personal opinion things in the NHS have improved, if you believed most the stuff you hear in the papers the NHS is a joke.
Education? yep don't agree with a lot of things this government have done but going by my nephews schools and from what I have heard from friends that are parents things have improved there too. Again tho this is probably different for other people I can only go by my personal experience.
I by no means think this has been a great government but at the same time things are not as bad as the media make out. There is always going to be recessions no matter what colour the government. Under the Torys we had a big recession without a global downturn and from what other leaders round the world are doing I don't think Brown has done a bad job of the economy at all on the whole.
His main mistake on the economy was to let the banks do there own thing, as far as I remember the conservatives wanted to give the banks even more freedom tho, so if they were in power we would still be in a mess and it'd prob be worse too judging by there lack of ideas...Debt I hear you cry!. well, the torys left us in a lot of debt, that's why if people care to remember this government didn't spend that much when they got in. Prudent brown was exactly that, the country's debt was actually going down for a lot of years.......I could go on but my girlfriend is giving me a look lol.
Basically I really wish people would stop and think more, fine a lot of people have a right to be upset and angry but getting a tory government in would be a disaster the Cameroon guy is a joke. We nee change real change that is..maybe get rid of party politics?, have the people we elect stand on there own views and beliefs, and represent the people that elect them more directly rather than via a party.
I wish people would stop blindly following the opinions of news paper editors too, there whole agenda is the bottom line, not the well being of you and I.
Believe it or not most MPs get into Parliament to make a difference not a quick buck, my boss of 200 people gets paid More than the guy that is running this country let alone an MP.
An MPs job is not an easy one, they work hard for long hours and personally I think the deserve more pay. Its a minority that are trying there luck and largely due to the low wage they are on. Personally I think a lot of the expenses that have been shown are quite reasonable when taken into context a bit more, I'm shore many of you would do the same.
OK some have taken the mic with moats etc and should be sacked simple as, some may need to be looked into criminally too. I'm as angry as the next person, but again things need to be taken into context, how many MPs is there? 600 odd? very few have news worthy claims. yet the media would have you believe the whole house is at it.........
Sorry if I sound like a preacher and gon on a bit, I realy shouldnt post about theses things.
The media in this country is turning into a complete joke, its like on giant episode of big brother.
When I watch the news I want to be informed, instead I get opinion presented as fact.
Things are always taken out of context and everything is completely over hyped.
Yes this government has done some stupid things and some that completely baffle me.
At the end of the day though I'm not doing that bad at the moment. Take the NHS, I just suffered a major asthma attack and spent a few days in Addenbrooks. The place was amazing, staff were very good, food was very good(and there was a lot of it) the tech I was treated with was very good, the place was extremely well maintained with cleaners washing the wards every few hours. Basically I was very happy with my few days I spent there.
Now the last time I stayed in a hospital was about 15 or so years ago now and it was a very different story....So from my own personal experience and as a matter of personal opinion things in the NHS have improved, if you believed most the stuff you hear in the papers the NHS is a joke.
Education? yep don't agree with a lot of things this government have done but going by my nephews schools and from what I have heard from friends that are parents things have improved there too. Again tho this is probably different for other people I can only go by my personal experience.
I by no means think this has been a great government but at the same time things are not as bad as the media make out. There is always going to be recessions no matter what colour the government. Under the Torys we had a big recession without a global downturn and from what other leaders round the world are doing I don't think Brown has done a bad job of the economy at all on the whole.
His main mistake on the economy was to let the banks do there own thing, as far as I remember the conservatives wanted to give the banks even more freedom tho, so if they were in power we would still be in a mess and it'd prob be worse too judging by there lack of ideas...Debt I hear you cry!. well, the torys left us in a lot of debt, that's why if people care to remember this government didn't spend that much when they got in. Prudent brown was exactly that, the country's debt was actually going down for a lot of years.......I could go on but my girlfriend is giving me a look lol.
Basically I really wish people would stop and think more, fine a lot of people have a right to be upset and angry but getting a tory government in would be a disaster the Cameroon guy is a joke. We nee change real change that is..maybe get rid of party politics?, have the people we elect stand on there own views and beliefs, and represent the people that elect them more directly rather than via a party.
I wish people would stop blindly following the opinions of news paper editors too, there whole agenda is the bottom line, not the well being of you and I.
Believe it or not most MPs get into Parliament to make a difference not a quick buck, my boss of 200 people gets paid More than the guy that is running this country let alone an MP.
An MPs job is not an easy one, they work hard for long hours and personally I think the deserve more pay. Its a minority that are trying there luck and largely due to the low wage they are on. Personally I think a lot of the expenses that have been shown are quite reasonable when taken into context a bit more, I'm shore many of you would do the same.
OK some have taken the mic with moats etc and should be sacked simple as, some may need to be looked into criminally too. I'm as angry as the next person, but again things need to be taken into context, how many MPs is there? 600 odd? very few have news worthy claims. yet the media would have you believe the whole house is at it.........
Sorry if I sound like a preacher and gon on a bit, I realy shouldnt post about theses things.
05 June 2009, 05:00 PM
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Cameron is no Blair and the Tories are still riddled with corruption, moats, duck houses and servants! Anyone who votes for them needs their bumps feeling!
05 June 2009, 05:03 PM
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If you are scared of change, Pete, just say so...........most old folk are
05 June 2009, 05:17 PM
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It's all a side-show ..... the real event, the only one that matters, will be next June.
At that time the economy will be in over-drive, we will all return to the huge wealth we have enjoyed since 1997, the sun will be shining and the Tories will have to roll out some actual Policies!!
THEN we shall see who really wants the Tory Eton Boys in charge!
At that time the economy will be in over-drive, we will all return to the huge wealth we have enjoyed since 1997, the sun will be shining and the Tories will have to roll out some actual Policies!!
THEN we shall see who really wants the Tory Eton Boys in charge!
The reason we are so badly off in this recession is that your new hero screwed up our economy big time and made it look artificially good by overborrowing and doing things like nicking your pension etc.
When the recession bit, as much as anything due to his gross ineptitude in letting the greedy bankers do as they felt like and making enormous fortunes while letting the country down completely, and they are still paying themselves enormous salaries etc., we are not in a position to keep the country going without borrowing money in such quantity that we and our descendants will be paying it off for many years to come. That is of course as well as the billions they are printing after the style of Zimbabwe. That is always an indication of failure! Take a look at their inflation, and look ahead!
So many in this country have found that is was wonderful to be able to buy everything they wanted by going into enormous debt on the plastic only to find that of course it has to be paid back,plus all the interest, and suddely life becomes impossible and off they have to go with all that stuff to see "Uncle".
Where is the difference as far as your hero is concerned?
Les
05 June 2009, 05:39 PM
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You that is.
Brown, shot to pieces
Cabinet, destroyed and turned on their leader
Labour Party, in pieces and devastated.
They cant even find MP's to take cabinet roles now.
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