Why Did The Tories Not Do MUCH Better?
09 June 2009, 06:25 PM
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There are far too many people with this mentality.
My dad's next door neighbour is an ex miner and he votes Labour....when asked why, he "just does" because he always has, so if they change their policies tomorrow to something totally abhorrent, he will still f**king vote for them
Likewise, (I'm not saying they have), the Tories, like any party could change their views/attitudes/policies to something which suits you personally, but you could never vote for them? Madness
What happened to assessing which party fits nearest to your own views/values - Regardless their past policies?
My dad's next door neighbour is an ex miner and he votes Labour....when asked why, he "just does" because he always has, so if they change their policies tomorrow to something totally abhorrent, he will still f**king vote for them
Likewise, (I'm not saying they have), the Tories, like any party could change their views/attitudes/policies to something which suits you personally, but you could never vote for them? Madness
What happened to assessing which party fits nearest to your own views/values - Regardless their past policies?
In the 80s we were promised this that and the next thing by Thatcher. She failed to deliver on many of those promises and quite appallingly converted this nation into a dog eat dog, greed driven society as well as leading us into a war we didn't need to fight (sound familiar?). Other transgressions like the systematic destruction of the mining communities simply due to a petty argument with an equally twisted miner's leader have left me with an absolute distrust of the Tory party and what they stand for. I don't care what policies they put forward I have zero confidence they will do anything other than use them to get elected and then shaft us up the river again for their own political ends.
Now we move on to the Labour Party. I was so pleased to see them get elected in 1997 and was keen to enjoy the delights of an honest government for the people. How wrong could I have been as slowly but surely they have turned out to be as dishonest and self serving as the Tories before them. To cut a long story short I will never vote for Labour again either.
You ask me 'What happened to assessing which party fits nearest to your own views/values - Regardless their past policies' and I reply to you that what is the point of assessing a pack of lies??? So please don't lecture me as to all this 'there are far too many people with this mentality' tosh - I can see when I am being lied to, when a party will do anything to get elected and will then act like pigs at the trough.
A pity it took me two successive governments to realise it. Luckily I am not dumb enough to vote for the likes of the BNP so I guess I get time off from a trip to the polling booth for ever more or until I manage to emigrate!!!
09 June 2009, 07:57 PM
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No, the pity is that you said something completely different in your original post. There was no mention of never voting Labour again in the section I quoted.
If initial intent was to convey the feeling that you mistrust politicians and therefore won't be voting for any party in the future, you did a VERY poor job of it.
The 'tosh' you refer to is still valid. It's you that has clarified (changed?) your standpoint.
If initial intent was to convey the feeling that you mistrust politicians and therefore won't be voting for any party in the future, you did a VERY poor job of it.
The 'tosh' you refer to is still valid. It's you that has clarified (changed?) your standpoint.
09 June 2009, 08:39 PM
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Because nobody actually knows what the Tories stand for, so no-one wants to vote for them, merely against Labour. The BNP may be a bunch of racist bigots for instance, but everyone knows what their aims are. The Tory manifesto seems to be:
1) We're not Labour.
2) We're definitely not Labour.
3) Honestly, even if a lot of the policies look similar.
M
1) We're not Labour.
2) We're definitely not Labour.
3) Honestly, even if a lot of the policies look similar.
M
09 June 2009, 09:06 PM
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maybe that is because you only quoted the bit about not voting Tory rather than the whole post where I quite clearly state in black and white that I can't vote for either of the main parties!!!! I think Nat has it right. I could never vote Tory as long as I live as I really do think Thatcher's government was the worst this country has ever had, yes even worse than Brown's mob, but it's close.
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My point is having voted for Blair twice I found myself unable to vote for him again. It doesn't matter to me what policies the two main parties claim to have as they are basically dishonest, greedy, short termist, career politicians only interested in saying what they think will get them elected and doing things solely to line their own pockets rather than for the good of the country.
With no other party representing my views I therefore find myself unlikely to ever vote again. Sad, but true.
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My point is having voted for Blair twice I found myself unable to vote for him again. It doesn't matter to me what policies the two main parties claim to have as they are basically dishonest, greedy, short termist, career politicians only interested in saying what they think will get them elected and doing things solely to line their own pockets rather than for the good of the country.
With no other party representing my views I therefore find myself unlikely to ever vote again. Sad, but true.
It then goes on to say With no other party representing my views I therefore find myself unlikely to ever vote again.
How much more clear can it be that I am disillusioned with all parties from that post? I am actually quite bewildered you could read it any other way unless you chose to of course. Forums, great aren't they?
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09 June 2009, 09:14 PM
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Plenty of parties out there now, may not be in with a chance of winning, but there are options. I suspect people will be looking about more now than they have in the past.
09 June 2009, 09:17 PM
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I think if I were to vote at all it would be for a completely independent candidate who is standing for something I believe in and becuase they believe in it and has no party line to tow.
09 June 2009, 09:33 PM
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Given that the economy will be in full swing in June 2010 I am thinking that it will be a very close Election result.
When the Tories have to state their Policies, that will be the moment that the people see that they have absolutely nothing new to offer.
When the Tories have to state their Policies, that will be the moment that the people see that they have absolutely nothing new to offer.
09 June 2009, 10:00 PM
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What like TB Lair and his cohorts had policies in '97 ?
The reason then was that the people believed it was time for a change and the the tories were as corrupt as possible.
Well lookie see , nothing changes , yet again Labour have put the company deep into the red
Only this time theyve mortgaged our grandchildren earnings
Who says 2010 will bring an age of prosperity
The Tories wont need any policies
The reason then was that the people believed it was time for a change and the the tories were as corrupt as possible.
Well lookie see , nothing changes , yet again Labour have put the company deep into the red
Only this time theyve mortgaged our grandchildren earnings
Who says 2010 will bring an age of prosperity
The Tories wont need any policies
09 June 2009, 10:04 PM
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10 June 2009, 12:49 PM
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One thing we have seen from todays news is that they stand for, and alongside, the NHS.
The amount that has been pumped into the NHS since 1997 is huge.
Now, you can argue whether the money has gone to the right places within the NHS, but one thing is absolutely clear .... the 18 month waiting lists that were common in the early/mid 1990's are a thing of the past.
It looks like the NHS will need more money than will be available from 2011 onwards .... out of all the parties I could guarantee that Labour will do all they can to keep the system going. I seriously cannot see the other parties having such dedication to it. That's a difference worth fighting for IMO.
The amount that has been pumped into the NHS since 1997 is huge.
Now, you can argue whether the money has gone to the right places within the NHS, but one thing is absolutely clear .... the 18 month waiting lists that were common in the early/mid 1990's are a thing of the past.
It looks like the NHS will need more money than will be available from 2011 onwards .... out of all the parties I could guarantee that Labour will do all they can to keep the system going. I seriously cannot see the other parties having such dedication to it. That's a difference worth fighting for IMO.
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10 June 2009, 12:56 PM
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That's todays news, the elections were last week
I'll agree the 18 month waiting lists are a thing of the past, mainly due to 2 reasons.
1) A lot of the bag log was carried out by the private sector
2) If you don't meet certain criteria the NHS have the right to refuse treatment, a handy way of reducing waiting time!
The waiting list around here is currently 14 to 16 weeks.....
I'll agree the 18 month waiting lists are a thing of the past, mainly due to 2 reasons.
1) A lot of the bag log was carried out by the private sector
2) If you don't meet certain criteria the NHS have the right to refuse treatment, a handy way of reducing waiting time!
The waiting list around here is currently 14 to 16 weeks.....
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