Brown to 'reform' electoral system
10 June 2009, 12:35 PM
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According to newsnight last night, there are 8 peers directly or indirectly involved with government the latest being "Lord" Sugar. That is 8 UNELECTED people in government.
Perhaps that could be the first reform Gordon makes, elected MP's run the country not party donors.
Perhaps that could be the first reform Gordon makes, elected MP's run the country not party donors.
10 June 2009, 12:49 PM
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According to newsnight last night, there are 8 peers directly or indirectly involved with government the latest being "Lord" Sugar. That is 8 UNELECTED people in government.
Perhaps that could be the first reform Gordon makes, elected MP's run the country not party donors.
Perhaps that could be the first reform Gordon makes, elected MP's run the country not party donors.
I not sure that restricting cabinet positions to MP is an all together good idea though, surely we want the best people in these roles regardless of whether they are politicians or not.
What we need is parliament to hold the government to account more effectively than it current can or does.
10 June 2009, 12:58 PM
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Let's just hope he doesn't use the 'reforms' put in place by Jeb Bush in Florida as his template 
Martin, I personally think an elected upper house is the last thing we need, just take a look at how the US Senate works, if there's a more concentrated collection of crooks, shysters & big corporation lackeys anywhere else on earth, I don't know where it is
Martin, I personally think an elected upper house is the last thing we need, just take a look at how the US Senate works, if there's a more concentrated collection of crooks, shysters & big corporation lackeys anywhere else on earth, I don't know where it is
10 June 2009, 01:00 PM
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" It is thought more likely that Labour's next manifesto will include a pledge to shift to a system of proportional representation, a move that would be supported by the LibDems. "
So what happened to the debate / referendum then??
So what happened to the debate / referendum then??
10 June 2009, 01:05 PM
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Let's just hope he doesn't use the 'reforms' put in place by Jeb Bush in Florida as his template
Martin, I personally think an elected upper house is the last thing we need, just take a look at how the US Senate works, if there's a more concentrated collection of crooks, shysters & big corporation lackeys anywhere else on earth, I don't know where it is
Martin, I personally think an elected upper house is the last thing we need, just take a look at how the US Senate works, if there's a more concentrated collection of crooks, shysters & big corporation lackeys anywhere else on earth, I don't know where it is
I think most of the problems with the US system stem from political funding.
It's not beyond the wit of man to come up with a system that is more representative, with better checks and balances than we currently have. The problem has always been political will, rather the justness of the cause.
10 June 2009, 01:07 PM
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Mean while, "Lord" Mandelson, who was forced to quit goverment TWICE becasue of his dodgy dealings is now back in government through this "loophole" while elected MP's are being forced stand down over their own wrong doings.
You really couldn't make this up!
10 June 2009, 01:08 PM
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Just seen Flash on PMQs. Promised to 'consult widely' on parlimentary reform, including 'all political parties' and 'people widely trusted' by the electorate. Absolutely NO mention of asking the electorate what they think. But then he's not interested in reform unless it benefits him/them. Oh, and looking into whether to put the voting age down. 'cos the only reason to do that is because youngsters are more likely to vote for the left.
At least Cameron has caught onto the public mood in the sense that they/we want an election NOW!
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10 June 2009, 01:12 PM
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It does if the typos mean you can't actually understand what is meant!
Just seen Flash on PMQs. Promised to 'consult widely' on parlimentary reform, including 'all political parties' and 'people widely trusted' by the electorate. Absolutely NO mention of asking the electorate what they think. But then he's not interested in reform unless it benefits him/them. Oh, and looking into whether to put the voting age down. 'cos the only reason to do that is because youngsters are more likely to vote for the left.
At least Cameron has caught onto the public mood in the sense that they/we want an election NOW!
Dave
Just seen Flash on PMQs. Promised to 'consult widely' on parlimentary reform, including 'all political parties' and 'people widely trusted' by the electorate. Absolutely NO mention of asking the electorate what they think. But then he's not interested in reform unless it benefits him/them. Oh, and looking into whether to put the voting age down. 'cos the only reason to do that is because youngsters are more likely to vote for the left.
At least Cameron has caught onto the public mood in the sense that they/we want an election NOW!
Dave
Reading posts like this serves to remind me of just what a thankless and impossible task governing must be
10 June 2009, 01:24 PM
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10 June 2009, 01:56 PM
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Face it, if Brown was head of a public company he would of been sacked a long time ago
10 June 2009, 02:01 PM
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I doubt he would have been sacked at all.
The Company was doing fantastic until outside events deflected its business .... you keep the MD - especially, as it now appears, the measures taken by that MD are showing fruit!
The Company was doing fantastic until outside events deflected its business .... you keep the MD - especially, as it now appears, the measures taken by that MD are showing fruit!
10 June 2009, 02:04 PM
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Pete, also labour was not doing great before the credit crunch.... you make out like the only thing wrong with labour is the CC and that is not their fault.....
So in other words, Nu labia are a victim of circumstance.
So in other words, Nu labia are a victim of circumstance.
10 June 2009, 02:53 PM
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"This tells you all you will ever need to know about the conniving, dysfunctional, delusional bully that inhabits the No 10 bunker with his new found 'friend' Mandy - and the pissy one!!
Because they can't rig the votes that easily on a national scale, they are now trying to rig the electoral system. "
No one in particular really just posts like the above...everyone is entitled to an opinion and I can understand some people being angry, but posts like that are just pure paranoia and fiction.
Martin had a good point about there needing to be reform, its a good idea and as fare as I can tell wanted by most. The priminister raises it as he should and people attack with crp like that.
Any reform will take too long to change the outcome of the next election so even if reform could be used to keep labour in it would be too late. Also all MPs in the house from all parties vote on reform, so how do people think Brown could pass something in his or Labours favour it just stupid.
To all the Tory boys and girls out there, chill out your time is fast approaching.....god help us
Because they can't rig the votes that easily on a national scale, they are now trying to rig the electoral system. "
No one in particular really just posts like the above...everyone is entitled to an opinion and I can understand some people being angry, but posts like that are just pure paranoia and fiction.
Martin had a good point about there needing to be reform, its a good idea and as fare as I can tell wanted by most. The priminister raises it as he should and people attack with crp like that.
Any reform will take too long to change the outcome of the next election so even if reform could be used to keep labour in it would be too late. Also all MPs in the house from all parties vote on reform, so how do people think Brown could pass something in his or Labours favour it just stupid.
To all the Tory boys and girls out there, chill out your time is fast approaching.....god help us
10 June 2009, 07:15 PM
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"This tells you all you will ever need to know about the conniving, dysfunctional, delusional bully that inhabits the No 10 bunker with his new found 'friend' Mandy - and the pissy one!!
Because they can't rig the votes that easily on a national scale, they are now trying to rig the electoral system. "
No one in particular really just posts like the above...everyone is entitled to an opinion and I can understand some people being angry, but posts like that are just pure paranoia and fiction.
Martin had a good point about there needing to be reform, its a good idea and as fare as I can tell wanted by most. The priminister raises it as he should and people attack with crp like that.
Any reform will take too long to change the outcome of the next election so even if reform could be used to keep labour in it would be too late. Also all MPs in the house from all parties vote on reform, so how do people think Brown could pass something in his or Labours favour it just stupid.
To all the Tory boys and girls out there, chill out your time is fast approaching.....god help us
Because they can't rig the votes that easily on a national scale, they are now trying to rig the electoral system. "
No one in particular really just posts like the above...everyone is entitled to an opinion and I can understand some people being angry, but posts like that are just pure paranoia and fiction.
Martin had a good point about there needing to be reform, its a good idea and as fare as I can tell wanted by most. The priminister raises it as he should and people attack with crp like that.
Any reform will take too long to change the outcome of the next election so even if reform could be used to keep labour in it would be too late. Also all MPs in the house from all parties vote on reform, so how do people think Brown could pass something in his or Labours favour it just stupid.
To all the Tory boys and girls out there, chill out your time is fast approaching.....god help us
LOLThe thing is I really don't care who reforms parliament and/or the voting system Tory's, Labour Lib Dems or a combination of all 3. I just know we have a massive democratic deficit in this country that for too long has been ignored by our political classes.
I don't understand why this had to be turned into the usual anti government vitrolic rant.
10 June 2009, 07:18 PM
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No it's a thankless task because no matter what they try they get slammed by people who are not interested in anything other than their own political dogma and/or cynicism
10 June 2009, 07:50 PM
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Meanwhile, after the abysmal Euro vote turnouts and the fact that *most* Euro voting was actually for nationalistic reasons we get the European Commission President saying ... " ... Overall, the results of the June 2009 European Parliament elections are an undeniable victory for those parties and candidates that support the European project and want to see the European Union delivering policy responses to their everyday concerns ... "
( From European Parliament elections ?victory for European project? ? Barroso - Bulgaria abroad - The Sofia Echo )
The guy is as deluded as Flash.
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10 June 2009, 07:57 PM
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No. We just don't believe anything they say. If you do, especially after the last few weeks revelations, then more fool you. The real power is in the EU and unless one of the political parties actually grows some ***** and tells them where to go this country as an independent state, is done for. No matter of *tinkering* with the *democratic process* in the UK will matter. As an example, we're even going to be losing control of the city .. Britain isolated as EU tightens grip on City - Telegraph
Meanwhile, after the abysmal Euro vote turnouts and the fact that *most* Euro voting was actually for nationalistic reasons we get the European Commission President saying ... " ... Overall, the results of the June 2009 European Parliament elections are an undeniable victory for those parties and candidates that support the European project and want to see the European Union delivering policy responses to their everyday concerns ... "
( From European Parliament elections ?victory for European project? ? Barroso - Bulgaria abroad - The Sofia Echo )
The guy is as deluded as Flash.
Dave
Meanwhile, after the abysmal Euro vote turnouts and the fact that *most* Euro voting was actually for nationalistic reasons we get the European Commission President saying ... " ... Overall, the results of the June 2009 European Parliament elections are an undeniable victory for those parties and candidates that support the European project and want to see the European Union delivering policy responses to their everyday concerns ... "
( From European Parliament elections ?victory for European project? ? Barroso - Bulgaria abroad - The Sofia Echo )
The guy is as deluded as Flash.
Dave
I'll say it again, lets have genuine reform. Are you going to join me in supporting this?
10 June 2009, 09:08 PM
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10 June 2009, 09:37 PM
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You do post some bollocks Pete
We are unlikely to see a meaningful reversal of the current economic trentds until 2011 at the earliest, and that's nothing to do with the "measures" taken by the current government.
The economy, left to its own devices, is cyclical, irrespectve of government intervention. Its like those tipping bucket water features. It gets to a point where it has to empty, then it starts again.
All Labour are doing is stopping that bucket from dumping its contents all at once, instead the water is spilling out more slowly. A faster release would see a faster restart and recovery.
Stick to what you know (whatever that is) and refrain from posting sh!te on this BBS
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10 June 2009, 10:19 PM
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11 June 2009, 10:35 AM
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This is just after Flash welcomes him back into the fold after passing the Commons 'are you an honest MP' test with flying colours but refusing to publish the report .... even with personal details blacked out. As I've said the whole lot want putting before the electorate BEFORE any *reforming* that the current snouts in the trough want to do.
But what is really wrong is the fact that they do not listen to the electorate. From Mandelson takes a swipe at 'bunker Britain' for rising anti-EU vote | Mail Online
"... Lord Mandelson will today attack the 'rising mood of national insularity' that led 60 per cent of voters to back anti-EU parties in last week's European elections ... In a speech in Berlin, Lord Mandelson will insist the answer to the economic crisis is closer ties with the EU ..."
I mean, WTF??? The majority of people want to cut ties with the EU as a political entity and the politicians (and I include all the main parties in this - actually after the elctions UKIP are the exception ...) want even closer ones. This is what needs reforming. The rest of it, expenses, number of MPs, voting system, are all minor details. If the politicians don't listen to what the electorate want then whole thing is pointless.
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11 June 2009, 10:37 AM
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Oh, but there is a glimmer of light ... MPs face bleak job prospects, say headhunters - Telegraph
"... There could be a mass clear-out of Labour MPs at the next election, if polls prove accurate, leaving many looking for a new job. However, city recruitment specialists warned scores of backbenchers seeking lucrative private sector jobs could be sorely disappointed. Sam Allen, founder of Sam Allen Associates, which recruits directors for high-profile firms, said companies would not want to be associated with MPs with a "tarnished" reputation ..."
Shame .......
Dave
"... There could be a mass clear-out of Labour MPs at the next election, if polls prove accurate, leaving many looking for a new job. However, city recruitment specialists warned scores of backbenchers seeking lucrative private sector jobs could be sorely disappointed. Sam Allen, founder of Sam Allen Associates, which recruits directors for high-profile firms, said companies would not want to be associated with MPs with a "tarnished" reputation ..."
Shame .......
Dave
11 June 2009, 10:47 AM
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