Why is this summer so...............
16 July 2009, 12:57 PM
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I have followed the weather up here in newcastle everyday for the past 5 years as our trade depends on certain weather conditions, to be honest the past few summers have been a bit sketchy IMO
We got lucky a while back and managed to visit Northampton for a long weekend smack bang in the middle of one of these heat waves, the best part was, that as it was ending on the monday, we were travelling back up north and basically drove in the heatwave all the way home, where we got another full day of heat (was raining at this point down in Northhampton)
Would loved to have said that i planned it, but it was pure fluke
Apart from that, it has been pretty shoite IMO
We got lucky a while back and managed to visit Northampton for a long weekend smack bang in the middle of one of these heat waves, the best part was, that as it was ending on the monday, we were travelling back up north and basically drove in the heatwave all the way home, where we got another full day of heat (was raining at this point down in Northhampton)
Would loved to have said that i planned it, but it was pure fluke
Apart from that, it has been pretty shoite IMO
16 July 2009, 02:09 PM
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There have been very few sunspots for some time now and it is recognised that they do affect the climate. We are at a point in the cycle when there should be far more than there have been. It is only three years to when they should be at a maximum in an 11 year cycle.
It is time that they explained why it seems to get colder and less pleasant when we are supposed to be suffering from GBW!
If we are entering a "Maunder Minima" then they will be encouraging us to buy bigger cars when the ice age arrives!
Les
It is time that they explained why it seems to get colder and less pleasant when we are supposed to be suffering from GBW!
If we are entering a "Maunder Minima" then they will be encouraging us to buy bigger cars when the ice age arrives!
Les
16 July 2009, 03:25 PM
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But it's only a holiday home at the mo, here in N.Lincs is where the rain has been.
16 July 2009, 03:30 PM
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There have been very few sunspots for some time now and it is recognised that they do affect the climate. We are at a point in the cycle when there should be far more than there have been. It is only three years to when they should be at a maximum in an 11 year cycle.
It is time that they explained why it seems to get colder and less pleasant when we are supposed to be suffering from GBW!
If we are entering a "Maunder Minima" then they will be encouraging us to buy bigger cars when the ice age arrives!
Les
It is time that they explained why it seems to get colder and less pleasant when we are supposed to be suffering from GBW!
If we are entering a "Maunder Minima" then they will be encouraging us to buy bigger cars when the ice age arrives!
Les
Let's be brutally frank: they haven't a fappin clue and are just using any old data to scare folk into even more green taxes
16 July 2009, 03:57 PM
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There have been very few sunspots for some time now and it is recognised that they do affect the climate. We are at a point in the cycle when there should be far more than there have been. It is only three years to when they should be at a maximum in an 11 year cycle.
It is time that they explained why it seems to get colder and less pleasant when we are supposed to be suffering from GBW!
If we are entering a "Maunder Minima" then they will be encouraging us to buy bigger cars when the ice age arrives!
Les
It is time that they explained why it seems to get colder and less pleasant when we are supposed to be suffering from GBW!
If we are entering a "Maunder Minima" then they will be encouraging us to buy bigger cars when the ice age arrives!
Les
Have you been checking this place out?:
SpaceWeather.com -- News and information about meteor showers, solar flares, auroras, and near-Earth asteroids
16 July 2009, 03:59 PM
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Explain? You jest, Les? These are the self-same people who were peddling the idea that the next ice age was coming and only about 25% of the world's population would survive it, back in the mid 70's.
Let's be brutally frank: they haven't a fappin clue and are just using any old data to scare folk into even more green taxes
Let's be brutally frank: they haven't a fappin clue and are just using any old data to scare folk into even more green taxes
16 July 2009, 04:16 PM
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OK so my theory for a crappy-ish summer is.......
................the following:
Apart from the Solar minimum we are going through, examplified by the site I posted above: SpaceWeather.com -- News and information about meteor showers, solar flares, auroras, and near-Earth asteroids
Also backed up by the presence of a large amount of NLCs (Noctilucent Clouds):
Noctilucent Cloud Photo Gallery -- Summer 2009: Page 13
There is a "small" matter of an eruption that occurred little over a month ago:Sarychev Peak
This eruption released a lot of debris into the upper atmosphere, such an amount that all the days that I have been "working" I have noticed a very high altitude layer of cirrus type clouds that obscure the light quite noticeably.
They are way above 45,000 ' that is for sure. These clouds are mostly present above 45'N and cover most of europe and the atlantic........
Apart from the Solar minimum we are going through, examplified by the site I posted above: SpaceWeather.com -- News and information about meteor showers, solar flares, auroras, and near-Earth asteroids
Also backed up by the presence of a large amount of NLCs (Noctilucent Clouds):
Noctilucent Cloud Photo Gallery -- Summer 2009: Page 13
There is a "small" matter of an eruption that occurred little over a month ago:Sarychev Peak
This eruption released a lot of debris into the upper atmosphere, such an amount that all the days that I have been "working" I have noticed a very high altitude layer of cirrus type clouds that obscure the light quite noticeably.
They are way above 45,000 ' that is for sure. These clouds are mostly present above 45'N and cover most of europe and the atlantic........
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16 July 2009, 04:20 PM
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Sarychev peak eruption info:
Spaceweather.com Time Machine
Sarychev Peak Eruption, Kuril Islands : Image of the Day
http://www.spaceweather.com/archive....h=06&year=2009
The upper atmosphere contamination:
http://www.spaceweather.com/images20...j7jii2p4rrnrq7
Spaceweather.com Time Machine
Sarychev Peak Eruption, Kuril Islands : Image of the Day
http://www.spaceweather.com/archive....h=06&year=2009
The upper atmosphere contamination:
http://www.spaceweather.com/images20...j7jii2p4rrnrq7
16 July 2009, 06:12 PM
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I'm with Ian Plimer. Global warming is unavoidable, not due to anything we do, but due to our close proximity to a star which will inexorably get hotter. Minor variations which are causing mass hysteria propagated by governments to justify further taxation (Obama alone is wanting $7tn, mainly to try and replace all the cash Bush spent/stole), are down to solar activity and solar orbit cycles. Data for the last two years shows that the previous 30 year warming trend has been fully undone, and concerns of the Ross Ice Shelf melting in Antartica are negated by ice increases across the other 90% of that continent. The fact that the ice caps have only been in existence for the last 20,000 years of the Earth's history substantiate the possibility that the planet doesn't actually need them, whereas we seem to think we do. It got on OK without them before. Overall, the last few years of listening to all the bull$h!t being spouted in the name of revenue generation, I believ those that claim to be conservationists, are actually conservatives. The dictionary definition of which is 'adverse to change', but unfortunately, beyond the control of any of us, the planet will change, continuously, and with little or no influence or effect from our little species, which in time may become extinct should natural cycles cause it to be.
16 July 2009, 06:19 PM
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Weird weather here at the mo'
Was boiling hot this morning, very muggy (NE expression
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This afternoon the heavens opened and the roads were flooded real bad. Of course I had Mr BMW X5 on my rear end. Got to one piece of road where it was about 6" deep and merging in the middle. Everyone was going nice and slow and taking turns to drive in the middle of the road. Mr X5 nearly ended on my back seat when it was my turn to brake and hit the middle of the road. He was so busy talking on his flaming phone to notice the flood
His face was a picture though
Was boiling hot this morning, very muggy (NE expression
)This afternoon the heavens opened and the roads were flooded real bad. Of course I had Mr BMW X5 on my rear end. Got to one piece of road where it was about 6" deep and merging in the middle. Everyone was going nice and slow and taking turns to drive in the middle of the road. Mr X5 nearly ended on my back seat when it was my turn to brake and hit the middle of the road. He was so busy talking on his flaming phone to notice the flood
His face was a picture though
16 July 2009, 06:33 PM
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I'm with Ian Plimer. Global warming is unavoidable, not due to anything we do, but due to our close proximity to a star which will inexorably get hotter. Minor variations which are causing mass hysteria propagated by governments to justify further taxation (Obama alone is wanting $7tn, mainly to try and replace all the cash Bush spent/stole), are down to solar activity and solar orbit cycles. Data for the last two years shows that the previous 30 year warming trend has been fully undone, and concerns of the Ross Ice Shelf melting in Antartica are negated by ice increases across the other 90% of that continent. The fact that the ice caps have only been in existence for the last 20,000 years of the Earth's history substantiate the possibility that the planet doesn't actually need them, whereas we seem to think we do. It got on OK without them before. Overall, the last few years of listening to all the bull$h!t being spouted in the name of revenue generation, I believ those that claim to be conservationists, are actually conservatives. The dictionary definition of which is 'adverse to change', but unfortunately, beyond the control of any of us, the planet will change, continuously, and with little or no influence or effect from our little species, which in time may become extinct should natural cycles cause it to be.
For a good compilation on the human existence/science etc etc, you should read Bill Bryson's book, "A Short History of Nearly Everything".
It basically has a lot condensed info, and some good references.
It refers to a lot of this that is going on.
Yes we are a bunch of pathetic parasitic numptys that think that we have the power to change everyhting...........................
Nonetheless this summer can be possible "worse" than others due to the Sarychev eruption, and lets not forget the Alaskan one a couple of months ago.
Volcanoes have a large impact on atmospheric conditions, which have been proven.
Krakatoa being the most "recent" with very obvious alterations to the weather for a long time.
18 July 2009, 01:10 PM
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Explain? You jest, Les? These are the self-same people who were peddling the idea that the next ice age was coming and only about 25% of the world's population would survive it, back in the mid 70's.
Let's be brutally frank: they haven't a fappin clue and are just using any old data to scare folk into even more green taxes
Let's be brutally frank: they haven't a fappin clue and are just using any old data to scare folk into even more green taxes
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18 July 2009, 01:13 PM
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Absolutely correct!
Have you been checking this place out?:
SpaceWeather.com -- News and information about meteor showers, solar flares, auroras, and near-Earth asteroids
Have you been checking this place out?:
SpaceWeather.com -- News and information about meteor showers, solar flares, auroras, and near-Earth asteroids
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18 July 2009, 08:30 PM
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S'funnee but I was watching one of the 'Walking with Dinosaurs' DVDs from the Beeb recently with my son (5 - so into dinosaurs and fossils ...) and I had to rewind and listen again when the narrator blamed the upcoming (or was that outgoing ?) ice age on the Earth's orbit being further from the sun, as happens periodically ... Almost fell out of my chair. The Beeb of all people mentioning the unmentionable - that man there may be other reasons for climate change than the size of car we drive ...
I may try and get that clip and send it to them and ask for their explanation of why they are now pushing AGW down everybody's throats!
Dave
I may try and get that clip and send it to them and ask for their explanation of why they are now pushing AGW down everybody's throats!
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