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27 July 2009, 10:39 PM
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Thanks Scoobyhoo, but I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that a daytona will prove a future good investment? But the gold and silver mix ones are available slighly used at less than rrp. The SS daytona still commands a premium but they are hardly rare, I myself
Know 3-4 people who have them, so I don't see the rarity or the history behind them that would make them collectable
Thanks for your help
Know 3-4 people who have them, so I don't see the rarity or the history behind them that would make them collectable
Thanks for your help
Although it is easy to find a SS model they are the rarer and less produced, hence they hold and gain value more. The older pre-2000 (but modern case, not the vintage style) model with the Zenith movement is rarer still and worth more (by about £1k now). You can walk into most ADs and buy a bi-metal or Solid precious metal Daytona, you can't buy a SS one anywhere off the shelf in an AD and they've stopped accepting orders for them as the waiting time was at around 7-8 years. That's why they are worth more - simple supply and demand.
27 July 2009, 10:40 PM
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Thanks Scoobyhoo, but I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that a daytona will prove a future good investment? But the gold and silver mix ones are available slighly used at less than rrp. The SS daytona still commands a premium but they are hardly rare, I myself
Know 3-4 people who have them, so I don't see the rarity or the history behind them that would make them collectable
Thanks for your help
Know 3-4 people who have them, so I don't see the rarity or the history behind them that would make them collectable
Thanks for your help
It's the same movement in all the Daytona range, after 2001, and Rolex cater for the world market which prefers the precious metals over steel. Hence more produced less the after market sales.
Plus Rolex have a better margin in the gold models.
Deep Singh if you can find a Grade A with full history, paper work and boxes from 2001-2 in s/steel then as an future investment that's the one thats still affordable. But be quick.
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27 July 2009, 10:48 PM
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27 July 2009, 11:18 PM
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Not me squire. Good as gold me. 18k. Shaped Daytona stylee.. 
I must admit this thread has been a goldmine (damn, another precious metal link) of information and I have nothing to apologise for....
I've enjoyed every post. It's also keeping me from nipping down to WoS.. so saving me a bloody fortune too!
I must admit this thread has been a goldmine (damn, another precious metal link) of information and I have nothing to apologise for....
I've enjoyed every post. It's also keeping me from nipping down to WoS.. so saving me a bloody fortune too!
27 July 2009, 11:28 PM
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28 July 2009, 07:04 AM
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1)Nat you mention that the pre 2000 with zenith movement is the rarer sub type of the daytona. But Scoobyhoo you recommend buying a 2001-2002 model, why is that?
2) In fantasy land now. If you could buy any vintage rolex, at any price, which you felt would be a good punt on rising in value which one would it be?
Thanks
2) In fantasy land now. If you could buy any vintage rolex, at any price, which you felt would be a good punt on rising in value which one would it be?
Thanks
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28 July 2009, 07:25 AM
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Scoobyhoo (or others) a couple of quickies
1) you mention that the pre 2000 with zenith movement is the rarer sub type of the daytona. But then you recommend buying a 2001-2002 model, why is that?
2) In fantasy land now. If you could buy any vintage rolex, at any price, which you felt would be a good punt on rising in value which one would it be?
Thanks
1) you mention that the pre 2000 with zenith movement is the rarer sub type of the daytona. But then you recommend buying a 2001-2002 model, why is that?
2) In fantasy land now. If you could buy any vintage rolex, at any price, which you felt would be a good punt on rising in value which one would it be?
Thanks
Good punt for the future, look at 17014 Oysterquartz Datejust.
Any watch Hard one that.
28 July 2009, 09:45 AM
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Good punt for the future, look at 17014 Oysterquartz Datejust.
28 July 2009, 09:47 AM
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1)Nat you mention that the pre 2000 with zenith movement is the rarer sub type of the daytona. But Scoobyhoo you recommend buying a 2001-2002 model, why is that?
2) In fantasy land now. If you could buy any vintage rolex, at any price, which you felt would be a good punt on rising in value which one would it be?
Thanks
2) In fantasy land now. If you could buy any vintage rolex, at any price, which you felt would be a good punt on rising in value which one would it be?
Thanks
Nat will get back to you on the any watch
28 July 2009, 09:54 AM
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Next time i see one i like in the UK i'm going to buy it.
28 July 2009, 10:21 AM
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Everman and his dog has a mobile phone ( which nearly always tell the time ) so unless youve an insecure ego or are going diving / some other sport why would you need one anyway
28 July 2009, 10:35 AM
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One (two at a push) nice watch i can understand, a collection baffles me, although i collect stuff which to some people might seem utterly pointless too. But collecting watches, which all essentially do the same thing, to the same degree, seems strange to me.
28 July 2009, 10:49 AM
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28 July 2009, 10:52 AM
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The very nature of a "collection" of anything means that the individual items will be essentially the same, otherwise it wouldn't be a collection. Each to their own, but at least with watches you have a collection of a useful item, and watches are useful for telling the time whether you have a phone or not
Yes i get what you mean, but i've never quite understood why you'd spend thousands on something which a £5 Casio can do just as well, and probably more reliably. Having said that i like my two "posh" watches, but i have no desire to add to them as i know i'd never wear them enough. There are only so many times you can check the time just for the sake of it!!
28 July 2009, 01:15 PM
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Ok well I'm ordering
1) One modern Daytona, and a bimetal blue sub, these will be for everyday use
2) One james bond sub in 10/10 condition
3) One proper Paul Newman cosmograph.
That should get me started in this watch collecting marlarkey!
1) One modern Daytona, and a bimetal blue sub, these will be for everyday use
2) One james bond sub in 10/10 condition
3) One proper Paul Newman cosmograph.
That should get me started in this watch collecting marlarkey!
28 July 2009, 02:39 PM
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Well, all this Rolex "activity" got me thinking and prompted a trip round the local AD's today 
Gotta love the economic chaos. Plenty of previously had to get models readily available, but the weak pound makes them even more expensive ...
Plenty LV Subs, a 14060M Sub, GMTII Ceramics, a couple of Milgauss and several yellow gold/two tone/white gold Daytonas. Saw a new blue W/G sub and a couple of two tone blue subs, together with a couple of Explorer IIs (one white, one black) and the usual plethora of non sports models.
Most expensive that I looked at was the W/G blue sub at over £18,000. Nice, but a S/S version will be harder wearing. Still struggling with the relationship between the lugs and the bracelet on the new big case models though. Asthetically its poor, IMO.
Not yet a fan of the GMTII ceramic either. Same case/bracelet relationship and with the glossier bezel insert and the date cyclops. together with the polished centre links, it was significantly "blingier" than pics on the web would make it appear.
Handled (and nearly bought a GMT Anniversary) model when first out. Strangely, to me, the Ceramic GMT looks better as a two tone watch than S/S. Maybe it will grow on me
At the end of the day, discounting the white gold Daytona (cost aside, I'd rather have Steel)the two that were the most tempting were the LV Sub (maxi dial plus older case style work very well IMO) and, asthetically my favouriteof the day, the 14060M (non date) Sub.
Which is, I guess, why I can't see past my 16600 Seadweller (until the opportunity for a Deap Sea comes along, I suspect )
Gotta love the economic chaos. Plenty of previously had to get models readily available, but the weak pound makes them even more expensive ...
Plenty LV Subs, a 14060M Sub, GMTII Ceramics, a couple of Milgauss and several yellow gold/two tone/white gold Daytonas. Saw a new blue W/G sub and a couple of two tone blue subs, together with a couple of Explorer IIs (one white, one black) and the usual plethora of non sports models.
Most expensive that I looked at was the W/G blue sub at over £18,000. Nice, but a S/S version will be harder wearing. Still struggling with the relationship between the lugs and the bracelet on the new big case models though. Asthetically its poor, IMO.
Not yet a fan of the GMTII ceramic either. Same case/bracelet relationship and with the glossier bezel insert and the date cyclops. together with the polished centre links, it was significantly "blingier" than pics on the web would make it appear.
Handled (and nearly bought a GMT Anniversary) model when first out. Strangely, to me, the Ceramic GMT looks better as a two tone watch than S/S. Maybe it will grow on me
At the end of the day, discounting the white gold Daytona (cost aside, I'd rather have Steel)the two that were the most tempting were the LV Sub (maxi dial plus older case style work very well IMO) and, asthetically my favouriteof the day, the 14060M (non date) Sub.
Which is, I guess, why I can't see past my 16600 Seadweller (until the opportunity for a Deap Sea comes along, I suspect
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28 July 2009, 03:11 PM
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Though I'm no watch collector, there's no way I could comment on a watch collection being baffling when I collect Marvel Silver Age comics...
The Mobile phone argument is similarly moot. Simply taker a look at you clothes and explain why you buy the shoes you wear and the jacket that keeps the rain and cold out.. they all do it to better standards, looks and engineering. May as well but a Matalan special than that Goretex windstopper...
28 July 2009, 03:18 PM
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Because, simply put, Alan, i can't personally see enough of a difference between watches to justify an expenditure of thousands. If it was the odd few hundred quid then yeah, ok, different watch to suit various outfits, but when every single one comprises a dial, two hands and twelve numbers, however ingeniously arranged, i just don't get it. If an expensive watch told the time "better" in some respect then i'd also find it easier to understand, but they don't!
I sometimes think watch collection comes at the point of blokes having run out of other things to buy.
I sometimes think watch collection comes at the point of blokes having run out of other things to buy.
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Because, simply put, Alan, i can't personally see enough of a difference between watches to justify an expenditure of thousands. If it was the odd few hundred quid then yeah, ok, different watch to suit various outfits, but when every single one comprises a dial, two hands and twelve numbers, however ingeniously arranged, i just don't get it. If an expensive watch told the time "better" in some respect then i'd also find it easier to understand, but they don't!
I sometimes think watch collection comes at the point of blokes having run out of other things to buy.
I sometimes think watch collection comes at the point of blokes having run out of other things to buy.
)But your surely missing the point on rarity value or simple engineering? I don't argue against the fact that a platinum of WG watch does stray into the jewellery sector, but you can't argue against engineering brilliance allied to rarity and simple market forces from a renowned brand (and yes, brand stature pushing prices up has a part in this)..
That's why people buy BM, Merc, Rolls, Bentley etc etc as they seek that difference in exclusivity and engineering as well as history and brand awareness.