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30 July 2009, 02:08 PM

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Allan whatever you buy, and however much research you carry out, I guarantee you will make another watch purchase within 12 months, thats how it is.

Out of all the many people who have PMed me RE watch purchases 90% of them buy again within 12 months....not necessarily the same brand, but another watch purchase all the same.

If you buy a GMT MasterII as I suggested on page 1, you will then want a busier watch maybe a chronograph.......

If you were to start with a SUB you would then move to a GMTII for the upgrade of the 24 hour pointer, and then on again.

This is the complications mountain you will begin to climb......

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Yoza

You may be right mate! As you know I have the IWC, Speedmaster & Oris, so you're probably preaching to the converted (or damned).

But I'm not drawn to the GMT for the collection sake, rather than the engineering appeal and I'm happy to take my time finding the right one... But that sounds very much like I'm in denial of the obvious.......

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30 July 2009, 06:05 PM

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If you lot are going to start buying nice watches remember to pronounce things right when you're trying to sound knowledgeable in the dealers

Watch terms -

anglage
ahn GLAHZH (the “ge” at the end is pronounced like the “Zs’s” in “Zsa Zsa Gabor”)

carrée
care AY

chablon
sha BLOHN (The “OHN” is pronounced with a nasal sound for which there is no exact equivalent in English. The “N” is not pronounced fully.)

chaton
sha TOHN (The “TOHN” is pronounced with a nasal sound for which there is no exact equivalent in English. The “N” is not pronounced fully.)

chronometer
kruh NOM ih ter

Contrôle officiel des Suisse Chronomètres
kon TROLE oh fish ee ELLE day SWEESE kro no MET

côtes de Genève
KOTE duh je NEV

dauphine
doe FEEN

ébauche
ay BOSHE

feuille
foy

foudroyante
foo droy AHNT

fusée
fyu ZAY

guilloché
gee (hard “g”) oh SHAY

ligne
LEEHN ye (The “ye” is cut off so quickly that it is almost inaudible.)

manufacture (as in “Patek Philippe is a manufacture.”)
man u fak TUHRE

monopoussoir
mah no poo SWAHR

perlage
pur LAHZH (See “anglage” above.)

Poinçon de Genève
pwan SOHN duh je NEV (The “pwan” is pronounced with a nasal sound that has no precise equivalent in English. The “n” at the end of the syllable is not pronounced completely.)

quantième perpétuel
KAHNT ee em per PEH tyoo ELLE

rattrapante
rah trah PONT

remontoir
ruh mon TWAHR

repassage
ray pah SAHZH (See “anglage” above.)

réserve de marche
ruh ZERV duh MARSH

sonnerie
sohn ur EE

tachymeter
tak IH muh ter

telemeter
tel EM ih ter

tourbillon
TOUR bee ohn

Watch Brands

A. Lange & Söhne ah LAHN guh und ZO nuh
Alpina al PEE nuh
Armand Nicolet are MAHND NIK o lay
Audemars Piguet AWE duh mahr PEE gay
Baume & Mercier BOWM and MURSE ee ay
Bédat BAY dah
Blancpain BLAHNK pan
Bovet BO vay
Breguet BREH gay
Breil BRILE
Breitling BRITE ling
Bulova BULL uh vuh
Bulgari BUL guh ree
Carl F. Bucherer Bucherer: BOO kur ur
Cartier KARR tee ay
Chase-Durer CHASE DUR ur
Chopard show PARD
Corum KOR um
Cuervo y Sobrinos KWER vo ee so BREE nohs
Custos COO stohs
Cyma SEE muh
Daniel Roth Roth: ROTE
De Bethune deh bet OON
DeWitt deh VITT
Doxa DOX uh
Dubey & Schaldenbrand due bay and SHALL den brand
Ebel ee BELL
Favre-Leuba FAHV LUBE uh
F.P. Journe Journe: ZHURN
Franck Muller FRAHNK MYOU ler
Frédérique Constant FRED ur eek con STAHNT
Gérald Genta Genta: JEN tuh
Girard-Perregaux zhee RAHRD PAIR uh go
Glashütte Original glass HOO tuh or ig in AHL
Glycine GLY seen
Greubel and Forsey GROIB uhl and FORCE ee
Hublot U blow
Hysek HIGH sek
IWC Schaffhausen Schaffhausen: shaff HOWZ in
Jaeger-LeCoultre zhey ZHER leh KOOLT
Jaquet Droz ZHOCK ay DROH
Jean Dunand ZHAHN due NAHND
JeanRichard zhahn ree SHARD
Kobold KO bald
Limes lee MEZ
Longines LAWN jeen
Louis Érard loo ees air AHRD
Louis Moinet loo ee mwah NAY
Louis Vuitton lou ee vwee TAHN
Maurice Lacroix Lacroix: LAH KWAH
Mido MEE doe
Milus mee LOOSE
Montblanc MOHNT BLAHNK
Moser MO zer
Movado muh VAH doe
Mühle Glashütte MEW luh glass HOO tuh
Nomos NO mose
Officine Panerai off ih CHEE nay PAN ur eye
Omega o MAY guh
Parmigiani Fleurier pahrm ih ZHAH nee FLUR ee ay
Patek Philippe pah TEK fill EEP
Paul Picot Picot: pih CO
Perrelet PAIR eh lay
Piaget pee ah ZHAY
Rado RAH doe
Ralph Lauren Lauren: LOR en
Richard Mille REE shard MEEHL
Roger Dubuis roe ZHER do BWEE
Seiko SAY ko
Sinn ZIN
TAG Heuer TAG HOI ur
Tissot TEE so
Tutima TOO tih muh
Ulysse Nardin you LEESE nahr DAN (The last syllable is spoken with a short, nasal “a” with no real equivalent in English. The “n” is not pronounced fully, but cut off in the back of the mouth as soon as it begins.)
Universal Genève Genéve: jeh NEV
Vacheron Constantin VASH er ahn kon stan TAN (For last syllable, see note for “Ulysse Nardin.”)
Van Cleef & Arpels Arpels: ahr PELL
Victorinox vick TOR ih nox
Vulcain VULL CAN
Wenger WEN ger
Wittnauer WIT now ur
Wyler Genève VEE ler jeh NEV
Xemex ZEM ex
Zenith ZEH nith

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30 July 2009, 06:24 PM

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Who won the war?
I'm from the Black Country, proud of it, and will pronounce it how I bloody well like...seeing that I'm parting with the best part of a decent wedge then I'll also change the names to suit too

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30 July 2009, 06:26 PM

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I think if I was to buy another watch it would be the simplicity of an IWC or a Panerai. I already have two chunky chronometers.

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30 July 2009, 07:11 PM

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How come Oris isn't in that list ?

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30 July 2009, 07:50 PM

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Good spot mate.. here's my Titanium and carbon TT3 with ETA 2836-2

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30 July 2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nat

If you lot are going to start buying nice watches remember to pronounce things right when you're trying to sound knowledgeable in the dealers

Well done with this Nath.
But which of the above manufacture the complete watch in house, case, movement and bracelet?
Perhaps the guys out there might be interested to know as a lot use the ETA movement. Not to belittle a very good movement in anyway.

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30 July 2009, 09:09 PM

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Hublot?

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30 July 2009, 11:01 PM

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Hublot?

Panerai?

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30 July 2009, 11:32 PM

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I have a 40mm Big Crown....

...and a 44mm XXL as well as a Maurice Lacroix. And a £22 Sekonda for every day

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30 July 2009, 11:42 PM

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Dunno about Hublot as i can't stand them.

Panerai use Eta a lot, but also some of their own movements.

The only maker who uses 100% their own EVERYTHING is Rolex.

Makers who 100% use their own movements on that list that i reckon (or know anything about) -

Rolex
Patek
A Lange Sohne
AP
Breguet
JLC
Piaget
Seiko
VC
Zenith

Makers who use ETA - after this October will only be Swatch group companies as from this time they will not supply any company that is not in the group.

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31 July 2009, 08:45 PM

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The only maker who uses 100% their own EVERYTHING is Rolex.

That's what set's them apart and fires the collecting bug.

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01 August 2009, 12:44 AM

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This will kick the fakers into the long grass (especially those marketing their fakes as powered on legit ETA/Valjoux movements), but that's surely going to force many makers into a major decision to either go into the Swatch group or look elsewhere?

Is there anywhere else they can go as I'd assume other movement makers are either a closed shop or simply not up to the grade that some brands hold themselves in...

I don't know enough to say if movement makers like Unitas, Le Coultre etc are closed shops themselves or in a position to grab some brands?

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01 August 2009, 09:57 AM

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This is exactly what I ended up doing

Bought my GMT II c in January and picked up a SS White Face Daytona couple of weeks ago.

Personally I like the polished centre links on the GMT but I think the general consensus is that they're too "blingy"

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01 August 2009, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan C

I have been digging around as I have found this subject of replica watches facinating.

Allan, the below link is a factory where most highend replicas are built/assembled.

They do manufacture their own movements, but also buy from PTS, they machine their own cases/case backs/bezels/links/clasps etc, including intricate laser etch/and machine engraving.
They have advanced plating technology and can basically replicate any watch they want, on site.
They have the technology to produce everything from lenses including AR coatings to fingers/faces etc, and they use superluminova technology in their face an finger applications.
They build in a similar environment as all the big Swiss brands do.
Contrary to what I first belived they do vary their serial numbers and they are not all the same stamp for each model run.
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The below link is where they scource their highend movements from.
PTS Resources Limited

The movements pictured are only a small glimps at what they make, the movements that are aimed at replicating Rolex/Breitling/Panerai etc are not shown but are available.
They are exaclty the same including engravings/engine turnings and colouration of escapement.

There is so much more to Replica watches than first meets the eye, the harder you look, the higher the quality.

And if you have got the ***** to gamble and buy a proper amount you can buy a highend circa $400-$500 replica watch for $40-$50.

But at the end of the day BLAG is BLAG but credit were credit is due, these guys can build exceptional movements.

There is an epic thread somewhere started by SalsaKing which is an eyeopener were Replica Watches are concerned, worth a read.

Hello Chris, sorry I didnt respond to your PM RE Daytona, I was away and having log in problems with my O2 dongle thing, when you said you had been offered a Daytona at list and you were wondering what to do.....I actually shouted out loud... BUY IT !

So Im glad you did.

SORRY LINKS DONT WORK, BUT DO IN ORIGINAL THREAD.

Later Yoza

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01 August 2009, 10:13 AM

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This is exactly what I ended up doing

How do you find the GMT mate?

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01 August 2009, 10:20 AM

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Yoza, the link is corrupted mate...

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01 August 2009, 10:27 AM

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Have a trawl through this..

https://www.scoobynet.com/non-scooby...you-think.html

Post #152 or there about...... shocking really.

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01 August 2009, 12:04 PM

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The rep makers have perfectly copied the ETA/Valjoux 7750, the 2836, 2824 and 2834 (and prob more) movements so they are sorted. The top 1% of reps have real Swiss movements in them, it's these that will no longer be available from the factories. All the specialist rep makers have been amassing ETA movements for the last year or so. I know most have a stash in the hundreds now so they will be alright for a while too (they only produce to order a couple of watches a week). The cheap 21j reps all have chinese movements in them and it is these that account for 90% of rep sales so they are not gonna have any bother either.

It is the legit makers who relied on ETA group that will now be screwed though. They have all also been hoarding movements from every source they can get them from.

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01 August 2009, 12:12 PM

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Oh, and one of the reasons that ETA are going to stop selling movements (that they won't admit) is because their biggest Swiss customer in the group (Omega) is now switching to using all it's own movements rather than ETA sourced ones. They have just produced the base movement that will be modded and have complications applied to it to power all their watches. Only the moonwatch will keep it's old movement for historical reasons. So all the ETA employees who were making all Omegas ETA movements will now be making Omegas own movements. They will have a lot less capacity to make the ETA movements so couldn't supply them to other companies even if they wanted to.

This is all part of Omegas Three point plan to be seen as equal to Rolex that they initiated in the 90s'.

Point 1 - Increase watch prices to equal Rolex - this has been going on for a few years now and will accelerate soon...

Point2 - Celeb endorsements and sponsorship. Well underway for few years now - Bond, super models, sports stars etc...

Point3 - Produce all their own movements and parts like Rolex do - has been under development for years and has just produced their main movement that will power all their watches.

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01 August 2009, 12:21 PM

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How do you find the GMT mate?

I absolutely love it, I think it's one of the best looking SS models you can buy but then I would say that

Purists say the bezel and bracelet are too flash but I don't think it is.

The only thing with the polished centre links is that they will scratch easily, I've worn my a lot and don't worry about it anymore but the first few sratches hurt

Go and try one on but if you do I guarantee you will buy it.

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01 August 2009, 07:46 PM

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Only just come accross this thread and i love my Rolex watches i got a black submariner and a oyster perpetual day date
i brought em together 1 for everday use and 1 for outings
the submariner has been scratched on the strap due to day 2 day wear was gutted when 1st happened but now i'm gonna get a new strap or polished when it's worse
tempted 2 buy a daytona but need 2 finish my car 1st

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01 August 2009, 08:51 PM

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Welcome to the SNET Fine Watch Chapter...

I popped into Goldsmiths in Meadowhall Sheffield to try on a GMT I'd seen there a while ago. They had several empty stands and no GMT.

Salesman said that there was a few month waiting list for another batch.

Hinted that this was a growing occurance for the GMT

Time to buy one then...

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01 August 2009, 09:21 PM

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Welcome to the SNET Fine Watch Chapter...

Four of the watches that are rare to see in any Rolex window are
1. Stainless Steel Daytona (100% never see)
2. LV Green bezel Submariner (95% never see)
3. Milguass Green glass (90% never see)
4.Stainless Steel GMT (60% never see)
Which reflects the current demand.

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01 August 2009, 09:51 PM

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I'm off out through Heathrow tomorrow and was wondering what 'duty free' prices the Mappin & Web store would give..?

Edit:
Just read I should get VAT off as a minimum as I'm flying out of the EU... That sounds pretty cool if they have a GMT in of course.. will ring tomorrow..

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02 August 2009, 12:04 AM

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There's a Greeny LV in Oxford AD window right now. There was also one this time last year but that was soon mine. There hasn't been one since until now, so i recks one a year for a small town AD?

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02 August 2009, 09:28 PM

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Guess what?
Mappin & Webb Heathrow have no SS Sports at all. They sell them as fast as they get them. I can order one, pay full price (minus the VAT) and pick it up next time I'm out of the country....

Seems they are becoming quite rare...

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02 August 2009, 09:30 PM

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Loads of people are buying and gambling on more price increases which will give them a quick profit.

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02 August 2009, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nat

Loads of people are buying and gambling on more price increases which will give them a quick profit.

Do you think Omega will win the battle and get to that same status?

They now have James Bond on side and are building up their 'star list'; and as that is how Rolex started I feel that if the product holds up, then they could have a good stab at it.

I won't be buying from Heathrow BTW, I'll have to go to the High Street.

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