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20 July 2009, 04:03 PM
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D Type replica, C Type replica, Kouger Monza or Kouger sport.XK120 with 4.2 straight six in it.E Type 3.8 lightweight here
Coys : 1964 Jaguar E Type Series I 3.8 Lightweight
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1015756.htm
XK120
Paul Roach and Partners : Xk120
XKR 450 Grand Prix
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/787819.htm
Coys : 1964 Jaguar E Type Series I 3.8 Lightweight
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1015756.htm
XK120
Paul Roach and Partners : Xk120
XKR 450 Grand Prix
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/787819.htm
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20 July 2009, 04:41 PM
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MY Dodge Viper RT10 1994/95 are sneaking under the 30k mark now.
Dodges for Sale
2004 Dodge Viper SRT in yellow, 6,800 miles £39,995
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1104170.htm
Dodges for Sale
2004 Dodge Viper SRT in yellow, 6,800 miles £39,995
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1104170.htm
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20 July 2009, 04:50 PM
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21 July 2009, 09:33 AM
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I'd go for the GT3, whats your daily car by the way as that may well influence the decision, I'm guessing your not just going to own 1 of your above choices with nothing else given the atom and the 7?
21 July 2009, 10:23 AM
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Sorry to burst the rose tinted bubble but E-Types, though stunning to look at and an icon are actually not that much fun to drive, I used to drive my father in laws V12 roadster quite a bit, it was nice but a bit of a dollop, fine if you want to cruise and enjoy it slowly but press on and you should prepare for some heart in mouth, the steering does not appear to be connected to the front wheels, over light, no feedback like a sevenies american car or Japanese barge in the mould of a Datsun Laurel.
The V12 is too much engine for the chassis as standard, its just too much of a heavy lump up front so understeer is the order of the day, exacerbated by the total lack of knowledge of what the font wheels are doing, that said lurching oversteer is available either on command in lower speed corners when a bit damp or if you are tanking on, liable to end up as an undignified tank slapping session and potentially an expensive hedge excursion, not for the ham fisted. Remember they are long, skinny and have pram wheels, I know that they arnt really meant to be driven that fast its just if you do meet a corner too fast, well basically dont meet a corner too fast.
The engine generates masses of heat and you start to slowly cook as the entire car heat soaks, especially on a hot day, the heat haze from the bonnet vents is quite funky though.
These things are pretty unreliable, the V12 versions were from the BL era, the top of it is covered in pipes and linkages, they have four carbs and they tend to go off tune and the engine fluffs and can be hard to start once hot, cooling was marginal when new and with a few years of silt they struggle and once overheated tend to warp heads.
The brakes are hopeless, well the ones on my father in laws were, ok around town but after a few heavy stops, forget it.
That said, you get looks like nothing on earth, very few people try to gob on you and you get lots of people smiling at you if you drive it round in it with a baby in a baby seat
They sound pretty awesome, when its working it shifts, you only really need third for most occasions, a modern hot hatch would have the measure of it in a straight line though.
Though I have only driven the V12 I think the straight sixes would be a better proposition and only if "modernised", bit of tuning, some big AP brakes, decent tyres, something done to the PAS to give more feel and some suspension mods, I do like the Roadster but I do have a soft spot for the 2 + 2, like a sixties BMW M coupe.
The V12 is too much engine for the chassis as standard, its just too much of a heavy lump up front so understeer is the order of the day, exacerbated by the total lack of knowledge of what the font wheels are doing, that said lurching oversteer is available either on command in lower speed corners when a bit damp or if you are tanking on, liable to end up as an undignified tank slapping session and potentially an expensive hedge excursion, not for the ham fisted. Remember they are long, skinny and have pram wheels, I know that they arnt really meant to be driven that fast its just if you do meet a corner too fast, well basically dont meet a corner too fast.
The engine generates masses of heat and you start to slowly cook as the entire car heat soaks, especially on a hot day, the heat haze from the bonnet vents is quite funky though.
These things are pretty unreliable, the V12 versions were from the BL era, the top of it is covered in pipes and linkages, they have four carbs and they tend to go off tune and the engine fluffs and can be hard to start once hot, cooling was marginal when new and with a few years of silt they struggle and once overheated tend to warp heads.
The brakes are hopeless, well the ones on my father in laws were, ok around town but after a few heavy stops, forget it.
That said, you get looks like nothing on earth, very few people try to gob on you and you get lots of people smiling at you if you drive it round in it with a baby in a baby seat
They sound pretty awesome, when its working it shifts, you only really need third for most occasions, a modern hot hatch would have the measure of it in a straight line though.
Though I have only driven the V12 I think the straight sixes would be a better proposition and only if "modernised", bit of tuning, some big AP brakes, decent tyres, something done to the PAS to give more feel and some suspension mods, I do like the Roadster but I do have a soft spot for the 2 + 2, like a sixties BMW M coupe.
21 July 2009, 10:31 AM
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Rubbish Must have been a duffer you drove?
All the 4 V12's i've driven have been lovely to drive.
THEY ARE NOT SPORTS CARS.
Once you accept that then you can move onto enjoying them. They need an extra manually activated cooling fan to keep them sweet. No problems with this, can't believe some don't have it yet.
They need to be driven like a 60's era car, not like a modern car, try to drive one like a modern car and you will have a big fail. Brakes work fine if you use them properly with correct engine braking, cadance braking techniques and don't just stamp on them all the time.
The heat soak issue is the same as any large engined old car. No where near as bad as an old V8 Aston or RR/Bentley though.
They are as quick as a 540i on the m-way.
Must have been a duffer you drove?All the 4 V12's i've driven have been lovely to drive.
THEY ARE NOT SPORTS CARS.
Once you accept that then you can move onto enjoying them. They need an extra manually activated cooling fan to keep them sweet. No problems with this, can't believe some don't have it yet.
They need to be driven like a 60's era car, not like a modern car, try to drive one like a modern car and you will have a big fail. Brakes work fine if you use them properly with correct engine braking, cadance braking techniques and don't just stamp on them all the time.
The heat soak issue is the same as any large engined old car. No where near as bad as an old V8 Aston or RR/Bentley though.
They are as quick as a 540i on the m-way.
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21 July 2009, 10:33 AM
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If its cool looking weekend driver have a look at a DeTomaso Pantera. They are appreciating at a rate over the last few years, you can get RHD and they sound awesome.
21 July 2009, 11:09 AM
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Rubbish Must have been a duffer you drove?
All the 4 V12's i've driven have been lovely to drive.
THEY ARE NOT SPORTS CARS.
Once you accept that then you can move onto enjoying them. They need an extra manually activated cooling fan to keep them sweet. No problems with this, can't believe some don't have it yet.
They need to be driven like a 60's era car, not like a modern car, try to drive one like a modern car and you will have a big fail. Brakes work fine if you use them properly with correct engine braking, cadance braking techniques and don't just stamp on them all the time.
The heat soak issue is the same as any large engined old car. No where near as bad as an old V8 Aston or RR/Bentley though.
They are as quick as a 540i on the m-way.
Must have been a duffer you drove?All the 4 V12's i've driven have been lovely to drive.
THEY ARE NOT SPORTS CARS.
Once you accept that then you can move onto enjoying them. They need an extra manually activated cooling fan to keep them sweet. No problems with this, can't believe some don't have it yet.
They need to be driven like a 60's era car, not like a modern car, try to drive one like a modern car and you will have a big fail. Brakes work fine if you use them properly with correct engine braking, cadance braking techniques and don't just stamp on them all the time.
The heat soak issue is the same as any large engined old car. No where near as bad as an old V8 Aston or RR/Bentley though.
They are as quick as a 540i on the m-way.
Granted, it isnt the best example, what I was trying to get across, and I think you have said it is that not to expect a modern experience or performance and dont think that because it costs a lot of money to expect it to not blot its copybook or try and kill you if you get carried away.
I would insist on the modernisations, the fan sounds like a really good idea, the one I drove got regularly filled up with tap water when it needed coolant, wonder why it overheats now ?
I personally, wouldnt actually buy one if I could afford it, drove it quite a lot so I have got it out of my system, plus they werent a big thing when I was a kid and I think you go for stuff from your Era, I like Porsche 928's, the XJS was big news back then, neither as iconic or good looking but more relevant to me, sometimes as well I find the E-type is a bit obvious and cliched.
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