Police to face dog death charges
23 July 2009, 11:06 PM
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Not really, I just think folks are over-reacting on way too big a scale. People are too quick to overlook the fact that up until the morning of this tragedy, the dog handler had been regarded as one of the best in his unit for years. I'm not saying he should get away scott-free, but it's hardly the crime of the century is it?
This whole thing has simply been blown way out of proportion for me, and those blowing it out of proportion need to get over it.
This whole thing has simply been blown way out of proportion for me, and those blowing it out of proportion need to get over it.
Either way - I feel a stoning is in order.
24 July 2009, 02:26 PM
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Not really, I just think folks are over-reacting on way too big a scale. People are too quick to overlook the fact that up until the morning of this tragedy, the dog handler had been regarded as one of the best in his unit for years. I'm not saying he should get away scott-free, but it's hardly the crime of the century is it?
This whole thing has simply been blown way out of proportion for me, and those blowing it out of proportion need to get over it.
This whole thing has simply been blown way out of proportion for me, and those blowing it out of proportion need to get over it.
Whether he was an above average handler or not, he still made a gross error for which he was responsible and he of course should have know better. Mistakes to do with one's job which lead to such tragic consequences cannot be ignored. People have to realise that similar errors won't be tolerated in future.
If I had made such an error of responsiblity in my job, it would have probably led to terrbble consequences and I would rightly have been metaphorically "strung up" for it if I was still around afterwards.
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24 July 2009, 06:30 PM
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I don't think having all the press around would really help his mental state.
We've already got one Sgt who chucked himself in front of a lorry after going to one particulararly gruseome job, who is now recovering in unit for people suffering with mental illness. We don't need a second officer in there with him.
24 July 2009, 07:11 PM
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Is it a tragedy? Yes, for the dogs (obviously) and for the relevant people on the force (who love the dogs to bits) and for the guy concerned, who must feel beyond s*it at the moment.
Was it a bloody stupid thing to do? Yes?
Should he have known better? Yes!
Should he be punished? Yes!
Is jail appropriate? No, it just doesn't reflect the nature of the crime and is not in the public interest; we're not talking about deliberate and sustained abuse by a scumbag who set out to harm an animal from the outset. In that instance, jail is appropriate.
We're talking stupid lapse of concentration/common sense/judgment that needlessly caused the death of two dogs.
IMHO He should be fined and banned from working with animals for life. That's enough!
Was it a bloody stupid thing to do? Yes?
Should he have known better? Yes!
Should he be punished? Yes!
Is jail appropriate? No, it just doesn't reflect the nature of the crime and is not in the public interest; we're not talking about deliberate and sustained abuse by a scumbag who set out to harm an animal from the outset. In that instance, jail is appropriate.
We're talking stupid lapse of concentration/common sense/judgment that needlessly caused the death of two dogs.
IMHO He should be fined and banned from working with animals for life. That's enough!
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24 July 2009, 07:23 PM
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We're currently hoping that he stays with us and doesn't take his life.
If he does go through with it, then whatever punishment is decided upon does not matter.
If he does go through with it, then whatever punishment is decided upon does not matter.
25 July 2009, 11:25 AM
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Is it a tragedy? Yes, for the dogs (obviously) and for the relevant people on the force (who love the dogs to bits) and for the guy concerned, who must feel beyond s*it at the moment.
Was it a bloody stupid thing to do? Yes?
Should he have known better? Yes!
Should he be punished? Yes!
Is jail appropriate? No, it just doesn't reflect the nature of the crime and is not in the public interest; we're not talking about deliberate and sustained abuse by a scumbag who set out to harm an animal from the outset. In that instance, jail is appropriate.
We're talking stupid lapse of concentration/common sense/judgment that needlessly caused the death of two dogs.
IMHO He should be fined and banned from working with animals for life. That's enough!
Was it a bloody stupid thing to do? Yes?
Should he have known better? Yes!
Should he be punished? Yes!
Is jail appropriate? No, it just doesn't reflect the nature of the crime and is not in the public interest; we're not talking about deliberate and sustained abuse by a scumbag who set out to harm an animal from the outset. In that instance, jail is appropriate.
We're talking stupid lapse of concentration/common sense/judgment that needlessly caused the death of two dogs.
IMHO He should be fined and banned from working with animals for life. That's enough!
I also hope that he does not become suicidal.
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25 July 2009, 12:03 PM
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Is it a tragedy? Yes, for the dogs (obviously) and for the relevant people on the force (who love the dogs to bits) and for the guy concerned, who must feel beyond s*it at the moment.
Was it a bloody stupid thing to do? Yes?
Should he have known better? Yes!
Should he be punished? Yes!
Is jail appropriate? No, it just doesn't reflect the nature of the crime and is not in the public interest; we're not talking about deliberate and sustained abuse by a scumbag who set out to harm an animal from the outset. In that instance, jail is appropriate.
We're talking stupid lapse of concentration/common sense/judgment that needlessly caused the death of two dogs.
IMHO He should be fined and banned from working with animals for life. That's enough!
Was it a bloody stupid thing to do? Yes?
Should he have known better? Yes!
Should he be punished? Yes!
Is jail appropriate? No, it just doesn't reflect the nature of the crime and is not in the public interest; we're not talking about deliberate and sustained abuse by a scumbag who set out to harm an animal from the outset. In that instance, jail is appropriate.
We're talking stupid lapse of concentration/common sense/judgment that needlessly caused the death of two dogs.
IMHO He should be fined and banned from working with animals for life. That's enough!
Signing a cheque seems crass and so often the easier solution for those that ought to be managing society a bit better (but that's a different thread
)Looking forward to the full story here - still too much guessing. Was he down the pub or saving someone's life maybe whilst the dogs were dying?
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25 July 2009, 02:21 PM
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'He left the dogs while he popped into the office for a few minutes. Unfortunately, he got waylaid and when he returned they were dead. 'He is one of the unit's top blokes. He's devastated.'
Police dog handler to be prosecuted for deaths of two German shepherds left in 116f car on hottest day of the year | Mail Online
Like you say D, it will be interesting to hear the dog-handler's account of this tragedy, assuming he lives through this ordeal.
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25 July 2009, 03:33 PM
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As is now a 'mistake' therefore not deserving of the full force of the legal establishment, I suppose its fine on a similar level of thinking for me to do 15ks worth of damage(believed approx cost of the dogs plus training to the cars of those who feel that its now a minor thing by 'mistake' also
I wonder how much of his suicidal claims are down to the thought of the loss of job and pension?
cheers richie
I wonder how much of his suicidal claims are down to the thought of the loss of job and pension?
cheers richie
25 July 2009, 05:01 PM
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Kinda points to him being not all there IMO ..
I'm not a cop... and I'm not trained to handed dogs ..
but I don't leave mine GSD in the car without me at all ! why ? because its a stupid ****ing thing to do ! and as bad as he feels .. he killed those dogs..
25 July 2009, 07:17 PM
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26 July 2009, 01:37 AM
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I never said I would touch you. You inferred that I was going to set the dogs upon you. I merely meant you could sit in the van and baby-sit them.
If I'd suggested that I was sending a couple to your house for you to run away from, then that'd be slightly worrying.
Top tip - if a police dog is in pursuit, simply stand still as they are trained to only chase moving targets
If I'd suggested that I was sending a couple to your house for you to run away from, then that'd be slightly worrying.
Top tip - if a police dog is in pursuit, simply stand still as they are trained to only chase moving targets
26 July 2009, 09:59 AM
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I never said I would touch you. You inferred that I was going to set the dogs upon you. I merely meant you could sit in the van and baby-sit them.
If I'd suggested that I was sending a couple to your house for you to run away from, then that'd be slightly worrying.
Top tip - if a police dog is in pursuit, simply stand still as they are trained to only chase moving targets
If I'd suggested that I was sending a couple to your house for you to run away from, then that'd be slightly worrying.
Top tip - if a police dog is in pursuit, simply stand still as they are trained to only chase moving targets
and thirdly .. did I have a thirdly ?
26 July 2009, 10:17 AM
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I hope above all else that the tragic death of those two dogs is a lesson for all and will highlight the issue of leaving animals in hot cars unattended.
26 July 2009, 03:00 PM
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cheers richie
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