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02 August 2009, 10:14 PM
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With religion being what it is, it is safe to say that at this present time, the Church seats are filling up on a Sunday a heck of a lot more than what they were ten years ago
Is that because of brain washing? No.
It is because some people who one didn't give rats *** about religion, suddenly feel that praying to a God that they didn't give a flying fig about (until they lost their job and sold the house) will actually do them some good.
People are actually at a time where they do feel that praying, believing and having faith will help them.
It's crazy that some people think that they can spend 30 years down the pub on a Sunday and life is all hunky dory, then they can suddenly decide that they need some help, so they get down to their local Sunday service instead.
It's happening though.
Just because someone has faith and wants to follow a religion, it doesn't mean they have been brainwashed.
It simply means they are looking for answers and guidance beyond the material world in which we all live.
Is that because of brain washing? No.
It is because some people who one didn't give rats *** about religion, suddenly feel that praying to a God that they didn't give a flying fig about (until they lost their job and sold the house) will actually do them some good.
People are actually at a time where they do feel that praying, believing and having faith will help them.
It's crazy that some people think that they can spend 30 years down the pub on a Sunday and life is all hunky dory, then they can suddenly decide that they need some help, so they get down to their local Sunday service instead.
It's happening though.
Just because someone has faith and wants to follow a religion, it doesn't mean they have been brainwashed.
It simply means they are looking for answers and guidance beyond the material world in which we all live.
02 August 2009, 10:46 PM
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02 August 2009, 11:02 PM
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For one, it is not a given at all that survival of the fittest means we will eventually all become the same. And even if that were the case, your claim regarding decision making would apply only at this unknown point in the future.
Being less flippant, I am not saying you are wrong. I am saying that you are not necessarily correct. I do, however, think it is unlikely you are correct.
We're debating what *may* happen in the future, and at some undetermined point in the future at that. You have stated that one outcome is inevitable, whereas I believe that it is not necessarily so. Your theory requires one specific outcome, whereas mine allows for all other outcomes, whilst not actually ruling out the possibility that you are correct.
Without even considering that the factors that constitute "fittest" will depend on the specific environment which must be survived, (which will change with geographical location, time of year, etc.), your theory requires that there will be a single, "absolute" fittest that we will all tend towards. I see no reason that there cannot be many "sufficiently fit to survive" configurations. And how does your argument account for the need for two genders to continue the species? Will we tend towards a single gender and asexual reproduction?
How would selling my car to save the life of a child of mine imply I am not a "survival of the fittest type"? You are saying that if I fully supported the idea of survival of the fittest I would not get treatment for my child on the basis that if they die then they were not strong enough to live?
Maybe survival of the fittest in the current day and age also includes factors such as wealth and access to good medical care? After all, life expectancy of wealthy people in Western countries is far better than for poor people in Third World countries. Perhaps having money, for example, has become a part of what "fittest" means?
You seem to have a limited understanding of language and logic, which I feel is going to impact on the benefit of this "debate". I am, therefore, withdrawing.
02 August 2009, 11:06 PM
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As a side note for the religious nuts. Anybody of sound mind can see the evidence that shows we are descendants and linked through evolution to other animals. We just happen to be at the top of the tree currently. Now many religions seperate us from animals as some seperate entity... I find that amazing when you consider the way disease and viruses jump species
02 August 2009, 11:10 PM
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On this planet. I find it arrogant that we would consider that there's no possibility for an more advanced or more intelligent life-form than ourselves. I'm not counting the daytime tv crew in this by the way 
02 August 2009, 11:57 PM
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As a side note for the religious nuts. Anybody of sound mind can see the evidence that shows we are descendants and linked through evolution to other animals. We just happen to be at the top of the tree currently. Now many religions seperate us from animals as some seperate entity... I find that amazing when you consider the way disease and viruses jump species
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03 August 2009, 08:28 AM
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And how does your argument account for the need for two genders to continue the species? Will we tend towards a single gender and asexual reproduction?
I am surprised that someone at your intellectual level has remained unaware that medical science has known for many years that two genders are not required to perpetuate the human species (I prefer race). Woman a quite able to survive without man. This has just scientifically been proven(FACT) that woman (ONLY) carry the building blocks necessary to reproduce both male/female offspring.
Where did I state, or even imply, that survival of the fittest is down just to wealth? Did you miss the "such as" and "for example" in my post? Wealth was mentioned as just one potential factor.
The exact same piont that I was making
You seem to have a limited understanding of language and logic, which I feel is going to impact on the benefit of this "debate". I am, therefore, withdrawing.
I am surprised that someone at your intellectual level has remained unaware that medical science has known for many years that two genders are not required to perpetuate the human species (I prefer race). Woman a quite able to survive without man. This has just scientifically been proven(FACT) that woman (ONLY) carry the building blocks necessary to reproduce both male/female offspring.
Where did I state, or even imply, that survival of the fittest is down just to wealth? Did you miss the "such as" and "for example" in my post? Wealth was mentioned as just one potential factor.
The exact same piont that I was making
You seem to have a limited understanding of language and logic, which I feel is going to impact on the benefit of this "debate". I am, therefore, withdrawing.
Take care as this is sent in good humour,
Kind regards Hugh.
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03 August 2009, 11:25 AM
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My 'faith' is science. It doesn't have all the answers... yet
I would love to see a study of IQ versus religous belief - I think we all know what the result would be
03 August 2009, 12:15 PM
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With respect to the original post, I would prefer to rely on the power of prayer and the ministrations of a competent doctor.
We all have to be prepared to do something for ourselves as well.
Les
We all have to be prepared to do something for ourselves as well.
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03 August 2009, 01:22 PM
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You can have Faith in God.
You can have Faith that God loves you.
But Faith doesn't equal God nor does God equal Faith.
Gods existence can only be proven though personal experience, just as say LOVE. You can't prove love.
This is worth a look at if you want to have an opinion about God and it will help you to form an unbrain washed informed veiw.
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03 August 2009, 01:51 PM
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Hey I'm crazy and I believe in God but there is nothing religious about it.
I haven't spoken to him in years now, not ever since my medication was stopped but ahem yeah I think he is a cool dude... please don't send me to Guantanamo Zoo!
I haven't spoken to him in years now, not ever since my medication was stopped but ahem yeah I think he is a cool dude... please don't send me to Guantanamo Zoo!
03 August 2009, 02:24 PM
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Religion is the same as anything, politics and our so called news papers come to mind. I'm sure there are way more people in this country that believe in what the papers say to them without question than follow a religion.
As with anything, religion can be used as a tool to manipulate and control the week minded in society and it has been. This doesn't mean all people that believe in a religion are any more, or less manipulated than people who don't. Personally I believe in a god, the bible to me though is a book of lessons, and is not to be taken literal or followed by the letter.
I can guarantee you that a lot of people who bash others religious beliefs, are more than willing to be guided by the media and other junk on TV in this country
. Personally I use religion as a reference point in my life as with many other things. A closed mind lives in a small world.
As with anything, religion can be used as a tool to manipulate and control the week minded in society and it has been. This doesn't mean all people that believe in a religion are any more, or less manipulated than people who don't. Personally I believe in a god, the bible to me though is a book of lessons, and is not to be taken literal or followed by the letter.
I can guarantee you that a lot of people who bash others religious beliefs, are more than willing to be guided by the media and other junk on TV in this country
. Personally I use religion as a reference point in my life as with many other things. A closed mind lives in a small world.
03 August 2009, 02:39 PM
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I see the Pakistani Muslims are burning Pakistani Christians alive again in Pakistan.
"Convert to Islam or die" nothing like religious harmony
Six Christians burned alive in Pakistan riots | World news | The Observer
"Convert to Islam or die" nothing like religious harmony
Six Christians burned alive in Pakistan riots | World news | The Observer
03 August 2009, 02:40 PM
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Religion is the same as anything, politics and our so called news papers come to mind. I'm sure there are way more people in this country that believe in what the papers say to them without question than follow a religion.
As with anything, religion can be used as a tool to manipulate and control the week minded in society and it has been. This doesn't mean all people that believe in a religion are any more, or less manipulated than people who don't. Personally I believe in a god, the bible to me though is a book of lessons, and is not to be taken literal or followed by the letter.
I can guarantee you that a lot of people who bash others religious beliefs, are more than willing to be guided by the media and other junk on TV in this country. Personally I use religion as a reference point in my life as with many other things. A closed mind lives in a small world.
As with anything, religion can be used as a tool to manipulate and control the week minded in society and it has been. This doesn't mean all people that believe in a religion are any more, or less manipulated than people who don't. Personally I believe in a god, the bible to me though is a book of lessons, and is not to be taken literal or followed by the letter.
I can guarantee you that a lot of people who bash others religious beliefs, are more than willing to be guided by the media and other junk on TV in this country
. Personally I use religion as a reference point in my life as with many other things. A closed mind lives in a small world.
03 August 2009, 03:44 PM
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Gods existence can only be proven though personal experience, just as say LOVE. You can't prove love.
This is worth a look at if you want to have an opinion about God and it will help you to form an unbrain washed informed veiw.
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This is worth a look at if you want to have an opinion about God and it will help you to form an unbrain washed informed veiw.
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Just because you believe in God doesn't make it real. For you, or anyone else. There are tangible claims for God that are unproven (and indeed, contrary claims which have been proven, or at least have sufficient evidence to put them beyond reasonable doubt) and without any foundation except the claims of one piece of highly questionable literature. You wouldn't believe such claims from any other source, why does religion get special treatment?
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03 August 2009, 06:36 PM
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03 August 2009, 08:19 PM
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