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04 August 2009, 01:52 AM
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Of course the flip side is that Just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean he doesn't exist.
I know a few people who have thought it might be a good idea to find out for themselves rather than letting the rather selective media make up their minds for them. Interestingly far more end up believing in God than not.
I know a few people who have thought it might be a good idea to find out for themselves rather than letting the rather selective media make up their minds for them. Interestingly far more end up believing in God than not.
04 August 2009, 10:09 AM
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So, despite some people who you know who have gone against the grain, the trend is towards non-belief. I wonder why that is.......
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Religion is the same as anything, politics and our so called news papers come to mind. I'm sure there are way more people in this country that believe in what the papers say to them without question than follow a religion.
As with anything, religion can be used as a tool to manipulate and control the week minded in society and it has been. This doesn't mean all people that believe in a religion are any more, or less manipulated than people who don't. Personally I believe in a god, the bible to me though is a book of lessons, and is not to be taken literal or followed by the letter.
I can guarantee you that a lot of people who bash others religious beliefs, are more than willing to be guided by the media and other junk on TV in this country. Personally I use religion as a reference point in my life as with many other things. A closed mind lives in a small world.
As with anything, religion can be used as a tool to manipulate and control the week minded in society and it has been. This doesn't mean all people that believe in a religion are any more, or less manipulated than people who don't. Personally I believe in a god, the bible to me though is a book of lessons, and is not to be taken literal or followed by the letter.
I can guarantee you that a lot of people who bash others religious beliefs, are more than willing to be guided by the media and other junk on TV in this country
. Personally I use religion as a reference point in my life as with many other things. A closed mind lives in a small world.I would only add that tolerance is also a worthwhile attribute.
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04 August 2009, 11:09 AM
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Absolutley, I don't believe in unicorns, Zuess, Thor, Father Christmas, the Boogey Man etc. for reasons you well understand. Perhaps you could enlighten me on the difference between them and God?
Yeah yeah, so do I the other way round, we all know people who have done what we would have and then used it to back up our argument, it's a human failing. However, I don't look to the media for my information, let's be honest, they don't talk about it much anyway. Church attendance and polls about the belief in a God show that numbers of believing are falling. If you deny that then you are fooling yourself. 200 years ago, anyone who didn't believe was in a very small minority, yet now, barely half the UK population believe there is a god.
So, despite some people who you know who have gone against the grain, the trend is towards non-belief. I wonder why that is.......
Geezer
Yeah yeah, so do I the other way round, we all know people who have done what we would have and then used it to back up our argument, it's a human failing. However, I don't look to the media for my information, let's be honest, they don't talk about it much anyway. Church attendance and polls about the belief in a God show that numbers of believing are falling. If you deny that then you are fooling yourself. 200 years ago, anyone who didn't believe was in a very small minority, yet now, barely half the UK population believe there is a god.
So, despite some people who you know who have gone against the grain, the trend is towards non-belief. I wonder why that is.......
Geezer
Is there anyone under the age of 10 who believes in them? There's something like 2 billion people who are Christian, I don't think you'll find the same statistic for unicorns.
I don't have much choice but to believe there's a God as Ive seen unexplainable things done and happen in the name of God. Healings for example, but now we're bordering on the unacceptable for some people.
04 August 2009, 11:56 AM
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It's the same with the Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Ghost how can that possibly be. I like to relate it in this.
What do the following items below have in common,
1. Ice cubes.
2. Snow flake.
3. Rain.
Answer they are all water but totaly different until they all become one as water again.
04 August 2009, 12:20 PM
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That could be because it takes them out of there comfort zone. If something is unaccountable in human terms people become uncomfortable.
It's the same with the Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Ghost how can that possibly be. I like to relate it in this.
What do the following items below have in common,
1. Ice cubes.
2. Snow flake.
3. Rain.
Answer they are all water but totaly different until they all become one as water again.
It's the same with the Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Ghost how can that possibly be. I like to relate it in this.
What do the following items below have in common,
1. Ice cubes.
2. Snow flake.
3. Rain.
Answer they are all water but totaly different until they all become one as water again.
.............God is an ice cube!
So Jesus was God in human form but was also the son of God?
04 August 2009, 12:32 PM
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essentially YES. Jesus was God veiled in flesh. he was also the Son of the Father. so he was human, god and a spirit. 3 things in 1, omnicient, omnipresent and a very naughty boy 
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04 August 2009, 01:13 PM
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Omniscience - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
as in all knowing. ok i missed out an s, then again i am not omniscient
as in all knowing. ok i missed out an s, then again i am not omniscient
04 August 2009, 03:22 PM
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I knew that
04 August 2009, 03:32 PM
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Is there anyone under the age of 10 who believes in them? There's something like 2 billion people who are Christian, I don't think you'll find the same statistic for unicorns.
I don't have much choice but to believe there's a God as Ive seen unexplainable things done and happen in the name of God. Healings for example, but now we're bordering on the unacceptable for some people.
I don't have much choice but to believe there's a God as Ive seen unexplainable things done and happen in the name of God. Healings for example, but now we're bordering on the unacceptable for some people.
As for healings, there is not a single verified case of this happening. Period. Go and have at look at Why Won't God Heal Amputees? . People healing without medicine is not unheard of it, it doesn't make it a miracle.
Look up 'god ratio' on Google for some explantions.
At the end of the day, most people who believe just want to get on with their lives, and it gives them comfort, and who am I to change their lives.
But, if you claim something to be true, then it is up to you back it up, that is the point of these discussions. I don't bang on people's doors asking them to embrace science, and 99.999% of Christians/Musilms dont do it to me, so I live and let live. But, this is the internet........
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04 August 2009, 05:38 PM
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What sort of evidence do people want?
I was in a church service where a terminally ill woman had only weeks to live. Treatment had stopped and she asked for prayer. The whole church stayed behind and prayed for 40 mins. the atmosphere was intense. 1 week later she came back with official reports that the cancer had completely gone. Her Doctor came in saying he had become a Christian after what she had told him.He had no answer to how it happened.
Yes it could be that she held her breath for 2.67 seconds while hopping on her left foot triggering something that we havent yet discovered that cured her but come on!
You will never get concrete proof that God exists just as no one will ever be able to disprove God but there are very good indications out there.
I was in a church service where a terminally ill woman had only weeks to live. Treatment had stopped and she asked for prayer. The whole church stayed behind and prayed for 40 mins. the atmosphere was intense. 1 week later she came back with official reports that the cancer had completely gone. Her Doctor came in saying he had become a Christian after what she had told him.He had no answer to how it happened.
Yes it could be that she held her breath for 2.67 seconds while hopping on her left foot triggering something that we havent yet discovered that cured her but come on!
You will never get concrete proof that God exists just as no one will ever be able to disprove God but there are very good indications out there.
04 August 2009, 05:43 PM
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Well I am the Bulletin Board Buddha 
BTW The idea that everyone thought the earth was flat is a Middle Earth Legend (well they didn't have Urban then). The Greeks promulgated a view that the earth was spherical and this was a generally held belief, although this did reach a low point in pre-Medieval times. It is likely never to have been a scholastic belief in the age of modern man.
BTW The idea that everyone thought the earth was flat is a Middle Earth Legend (well they didn't have Urban then). The Greeks promulgated a view that the earth was spherical and this was a generally held belief, although this did reach a low point in pre-Medieval times. It is likely never to have been a scholastic belief in the age of modern man.
04 August 2009, 05:45 PM
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What sort of evidence do people want?
I was in a church service where a terminally ill woman had only weeks to live. Treatment had stopped and she asked for prayer. The whole church stayed behind and prayed for 40 mins. the atmosphere was intense. 1 week later she came back with official reports that the cancer had completely gone. Her Doctor came in saying he had become a Christian after what she had told him.He had no answer to how it happened.
Yes it could be that she held her breath for 2.67 seconds while hopping on her left foot triggering something that we havent yet discovered that cured her but come on!
You will never get concrete proof that God exists just as no one will ever be able to disprove God but there are very good indications out there.
I was in a church service where a terminally ill woman had only weeks to live. Treatment had stopped and she asked for prayer. The whole church stayed behind and prayed for 40 mins. the atmosphere was intense. 1 week later she came back with official reports that the cancer had completely gone. Her Doctor came in saying he had become a Christian after what she had told him.He had no answer to how it happened.
Yes it could be that she held her breath for 2.67 seconds while hopping on her left foot triggering something that we havent yet discovered that cured her but come on!
You will never get concrete proof that God exists just as no one will ever be able to disprove God but there are very good indications out there.
So is it God or is it positive affirmation, thinking and focus?
04 August 2009, 05:50 PM
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That could be because it takes them out of there comfort zone. If something is unaccountable in human terms people become uncomfortable.
It's the same with the Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Ghost how can that possibly be. I like to relate it in this.
What do the following items below have in common,
1. Ice cubes.
2. Snow flake.
3. Rain.
Answer they are all water but totaly different until they all become one as water again.
It's the same with the Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Ghost how can that possibly be. I like to relate it in this.
What do the following items below have in common,
1. Ice cubes.
2. Snow flake.
3. Rain.
Answer they are all water but totaly different until they all become one as water again.
Water is water, you religious div, no matter what state it is in.
You forgot steam by the way. God the father, God the son, God the Holy Ghost and God the ?
04 August 2009, 06:12 PM
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And that must be a tough one to wake up to, do you pray to yourself as god, or at that time are you the son of god because you haven't got out of your pyjammies but while all this is going on you hear voices in your head aka the spirit of god...
No wonder our evengalical cousins in the states are completely bonkers!
04 August 2009, 06:15 PM
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Ah the realms of bio feedback, some pretty crazy and awesome stuff in this area and worth looking into... apparently atheletes are the people they are becuase through practice and natural elevated abilities (Colin McCrae for example), have developed bio feedback to such a level they are able to do what they do best... that us mere mortals can't... because we are eating a kebab and half drunk on the side of a pavement trying to hitch a cab ride in a cop car.
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That could be because it takes them out of there comfort zone. If something is unaccountable in human terms people become uncomfortable.
It's the same with the Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Ghost how can that possibly be. I like to relate it in this.
What do the following items below have in common,
1. Ice cubes.
2. Snow flake.
3. Rain.
Answer they are all water but totaly different until they all become one as water again.
It's the same with the Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Ghost how can that possibly be. I like to relate it in this.
What do the following items below have in common,
1. Ice cubes.
2. Snow flake.
3. Rain.
Answer they are all water but totaly different until they all become one as water again.
04 August 2009, 09:03 PM
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04 August 2009, 09:51 PM
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My sister (living in Ibiza) had had tooth absis. Parents (in UK) prayed with the church for healing with out her knowing. At the same time the absis disappeared instantly (we phoned her 10mins after).
There are many more accounts, all slightly differing that I know about. Guess what the common denominator is.