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04 August 2009, 09:55 PM
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I guess it depends on whether you believe in God or not as to how you attribute it. To help there is another example but there is no concrete evidence just my word.
My sister (living in Ibiza) had had tooth absis. Parents (in UK) prayed with the church for healing with out her knowing. At the same time the absis disappeared instantly (we phoned her 10mins after).
There are many more accounts, all slightly differing that I know about. Guess what the common denominator is.
My sister (living in Ibiza) had had tooth absis. Parents (in UK) prayed with the church for healing with out her knowing. At the same time the absis disappeared instantly (we phoned her 10mins after).
There are many more accounts, all slightly differing that I know about. Guess what the common denominator is.
04 August 2009, 10:16 PM
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Thing is, SRS, i think you're under-estimating the untapped powers of the human mind, i truly believe that. Look at Earth. Pin-***** in the universe. Oh so easy to think we have God's "focus" (if that's your thing) but in reality, it's a dark cold space out there. However, our psychic abilities are, in my opinion, something that the human race will learn to harness as it evolves. What you've experienced, again in my own opinion only, is the raw evidence of that ability. You have absolutely NO justifictation in attributing what happened to you to a man-made concept such as "God". 
05 August 2009, 12:37 AM
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John 11, example of distance healing without direct contact with the person being in the name God. Ibiza 2006, example of healing log distance in the name of God. Where/how else would I attribute it?
There are many examples of psychics, witch doctors etc, especially in Africa doing unexplainable things. It is a very interesting subject but they are all pretty much spiritually based...which is what God is.
There are many examples of psychics, witch doctors etc, especially in Africa doing unexplainable things. It is a very interesting subject but they are all pretty much spiritually based...which is what God is.
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Indeed - in Africa one of the well known cures for Aids promoted in the name of God is for men infected with HIV to have sex with a virgin.
So you get gangs of men infected with HIV gang raping young teenage girls who are still virgins (although I am not sure if it still works for those who have sloppy seconds).
They are doing this in the name of God.
Or maybe the girls of West Africa and the Middle East who are circumcised at birth, in the name of God.
If you are not sure how a girl is circumcised it means using a razor sharp knife to cut off all the external evidence of sexual organs. For anyone with daughters you might imagine this is a difficult procudure.
Not only is this a barbaric transgression of human rights it is also massively life threatening as the girls are then MUCH more likely to die during childbirth as the ability of the birth canal to stretch rather than rupture is hugely increased due to the scar tissue.
Sorry to spoil anyones breakfast but the barbarism we experience on this planet in the name of God, a compassionate God, a forgiving God just makes my blood boil with rage.
Healing indeed.
So you get gangs of men infected with HIV gang raping young teenage girls who are still virgins (although I am not sure if it still works for those who have sloppy seconds).
They are doing this in the name of God.
Or maybe the girls of West Africa and the Middle East who are circumcised at birth, in the name of God.
If you are not sure how a girl is circumcised it means using a razor sharp knife to cut off all the external evidence of sexual organs. For anyone with daughters you might imagine this is a difficult procudure.
Not only is this a barbaric transgression of human rights it is also massively life threatening as the girls are then MUCH more likely to die during childbirth as the ability of the birth canal to stretch rather than rupture is hugely increased due to the scar tissue.
Sorry to spoil anyones breakfast but the barbarism we experience on this planet in the name of God, a compassionate God, a forgiving God just makes my blood boil with rage.
Healing indeed.
05 August 2009, 12:25 PM
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Thing is, SRS, i think you're under-estimating the untapped powers of the human mind, i truly believe that. Look at Earth. Pin-***** in the universe. Oh so easy to think we have God's "focus" (if that's your thing) but in reality, it's a dark cold space out there. However, our psychic abilities are, in my opinion, something that the human race will learn to harness as it evolves. What you've experienced, again in my own opinion only, is the raw evidence of that ability. You have absolutely NO justifictation in attributing what happened to you to a man-made concept such as "God".
05 August 2009, 12:41 PM
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Remember girls there is a lot of cultural baggage still being carried around e.g. places like Africa (and many parts of Asia) where cultural and ritualistic traditions are being merged with or labelled as religious.
At some level it's enforcement of control, the aggressor presenting control over the victim in the form of some sort of cultural/ritualistic tradition like chopping-off-the-loppers enit.
Religion is for intelligent, sensible and mature people - none of thse exist right now which is why any/all religions are being promoted by egomaniacs hell bent on enforcing their control on anyone who is stupid enough to fall for their game.
We live in world of manipulation, take our TV for example, perfect medium to present ideas of how, what, why and where we should live, to which everyone nods quietly (or openly) in acceptance.
Back in the day religion worked because you had smart level headed and humble people who were able to understand and relate the information they obtained through their religious practice and teachings.
Nowadays you got some bloke called Abudabu Oogabooga who is a social retard but happens to be able to lead other idiots into believing everyone and anyone is a non-believer and should be stoned to death or somink like dat.
Hmm need more apples...
At some level it's enforcement of control, the aggressor presenting control over the victim in the form of some sort of cultural/ritualistic tradition like chopping-off-the-loppers enit.
Religion is for intelligent, sensible and mature people - none of thse exist right now which is why any/all religions are being promoted by egomaniacs hell bent on enforcing their control on anyone who is stupid enough to fall for their game.
We live in world of manipulation, take our TV for example, perfect medium to present ideas of how, what, why and where we should live, to which everyone nods quietly (or openly) in acceptance.
Back in the day religion worked because you had smart level headed and humble people who were able to understand and relate the information they obtained through their religious practice and teachings.
Nowadays you got some bloke called Abudabu Oogabooga who is a social retard but happens to be able to lead other idiots into believing everyone and anyone is a non-believer and should be stoned to death or somink like dat.
Hmm need more apples...
05 August 2009, 12:56 PM
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Whether you choose to believe that there is an all powerful being or not is purely a personal feeling. If you do then you may wish to decide whether to follow any one of the religions that teach such an existence, once again that is down to personal choice. The fact is that you cannot lump it all into one simple belief or how to live with it. Following a religion of course can sometimes be a bit inconvenient in that you may have to do something or other and it is much easier to just say that you don't believe anyway.
Its a bit like whether you accept the moon landings or not. I gather they have now taken photo's of the landing sites on the moon which show surface activity anyway.
I always wonder why it is the atheists who do all the shouting about it and are the first to brand those who do believe as being nutters or soft in the head etc. How rarely do you see a believer running the non believers down?
Are the atheists basically a little uncertain of what they are saying and is all this protesting done in an effort to boost their own beliefs? Why do they have to keep arguing about it and trying to convert the believers to their ideas?
I personally do not care if someone wants to follow one path or the other. I am certainly not going to spend my life trying to change anyone's beliefs and am perfectly happy in what I think without having to justify it.
I mentioned the word tolerance in an earlier post. It has been said for as long as anyone can remember that a religious argument is an utter waste of time and energy. How true that statement is!
If you do have to enter the argument, being rude and unpleasant about the people involved in opposing beliefs is not going to prove anything and in fact just weakens the argument on your own side.
The lesson is that arguments about religion are never worth starting up, much better to just accept that we all have our own diverse paths and just leave it at that.
Les
Its a bit like whether you accept the moon landings or not. I gather they have now taken photo's of the landing sites on the moon which show surface activity anyway.
I always wonder why it is the atheists who do all the shouting about it and are the first to brand those who do believe as being nutters or soft in the head etc. How rarely do you see a believer running the non believers down?
Are the atheists basically a little uncertain of what they are saying and is all this protesting done in an effort to boost their own beliefs? Why do they have to keep arguing about it and trying to convert the believers to their ideas?
I personally do not care if someone wants to follow one path or the other. I am certainly not going to spend my life trying to change anyone's beliefs and am perfectly happy in what I think without having to justify it.
I mentioned the word tolerance in an earlier post. It has been said for as long as anyone can remember that a religious argument is an utter waste of time and energy. How true that statement is!
If you do have to enter the argument, being rude and unpleasant about the people involved in opposing beliefs is not going to prove anything and in fact just weakens the argument on your own side.
The lesson is that arguments about religion are never worth starting up, much better to just accept that we all have our own diverse paths and just leave it at that.
Les
05 August 2009, 05:13 PM
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I hope it hasn't come across as too much of an argument. As opinions were shared I thought I'd share a couple of many experiences Ive had so that people may read a more balanced thread and be able to make up their own mind.
Of course people who contributed strongly were never going to have their views changed during the course of this thread thats not the point.
There are things to think about and things to dismiss, what people do is entirely up to them but hopefully, with the obvious exceptions, the content has generally been good. Best leave it at that.
Of course people who contributed strongly were never going to have their views changed during the course of this thread thats not the point.
There are things to think about and things to dismiss, what people do is entirely up to them but hopefully, with the obvious exceptions, the content has generally been good. Best leave it at that.
05 August 2009, 05:37 PM
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Im not an expert in Islamic or Catholic communities but Im almost certain that that is not the case.
If it was done in the name of God, as in God/Jesus (different to the Islamic God) they had no authority to do so as there is nothing in the Bible that says they should be doing that. It may be that they hate God and want to dirty his name by saying that God told them to do it or something like that, who knows. There are so many examples in the Bible that are contrary to what these practices suggest. It would be wise for people not to be taken in by these things.
If it was done in the name of God, as in God/Jesus (different to the Islamic God) they had no authority to do so as there is nothing in the Bible that says they should be doing that. It may be that they hate God and want to dirty his name by saying that God told them to do it or something like that, who knows. There are so many examples in the Bible that are contrary to what these practices suggest. It would be wise for people not to be taken in by these things.
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Indeed - in Africa one of the well known cures for Aids promoted in the name of God is for men infected with HIV to have sex with a virgin.
So you get gangs of men infected with HIV gang raping young teenage girls who are still virgins (although I am not sure if it still works for those who have sloppy seconds).
They are doing this in the name of God.
Or maybe the girls of West Africa and the Middle East who are circumcised at birth, in the name of God.
If you are not sure how a girl is circumcised it means using a razor sharp knife to cut off all the external evidence of sexual organs. For anyone with daughters you might imagine this is a difficult procudure.
Not only is this a barbaric transgression of human rights it is also massively life threatening as the girls are then MUCH more likely to die during childbirth as the ability of the birth canal to stretch rather than rupture is hugely increased due to the scar tissue.
Sorry to spoil anyones breakfast but the barbarism we experience on this planet in the name of God, a compassionate God, a forgiving God just makes my blood boil with rage.
Healing indeed.
So you get gangs of men infected with HIV gang raping young teenage girls who are still virgins (although I am not sure if it still works for those who have sloppy seconds).
They are doing this in the name of God.
Or maybe the girls of West Africa and the Middle East who are circumcised at birth, in the name of God.
If you are not sure how a girl is circumcised it means using a razor sharp knife to cut off all the external evidence of sexual organs. For anyone with daughters you might imagine this is a difficult procudure.
Not only is this a barbaric transgression of human rights it is also massively life threatening as the girls are then MUCH more likely to die during childbirth as the ability of the birth canal to stretch rather than rupture is hugely increased due to the scar tissue.
Sorry to spoil anyones breakfast but the barbarism we experience on this planet in the name of God, a compassionate God, a forgiving God just makes my blood boil with rage.
Healing indeed.
Les
06 August 2009, 10:05 PM
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and now imagine someone was doing it in your name, saying that you told them to or that they are doing for you how would you feel?
How would you then feel if loads of people started going around saying how terrible you are because it was done for you and in your name.
How would you then feel if loads of people started going around saying how terrible you are because it was done for you and in your name.
07 August 2009, 08:15 AM
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It has always been true through the ages. The Inquisition, the Borgias, Islamic Fundamentalists, Northern Ireland, the US Army - each and everyone will, with absolute certainty will say God was on their side.
Of course, religion being the rules of faith is a man-made thing, but I am sure you see the problem with something being man-made. Can God be on everyone's side?
I would clearly separate religion from faith and I appreciate you demonstrate a tolerant and mostly inclusive faith.
I personally fail to be tolerant of religion as I agree with the sentiment that it is the root of all evil.
07 August 2009, 09:11 AM
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Who cares what religion you believe in or dont, the problem is the extremist looses that have to make everyone else's life a misery because they dont like someone else's way of life. I dont want to live in **** and misery everyday like they do, but that doesn't mean I want to go and blow them up. There's no "god" anyway so it's all for nothing.
07 August 2009, 12:36 PM
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Almost all religion is governed by rules, followed through fear. The Bible has rules but every rule is done out of love. Muslims for example are not allowed to live in harmony with Christians, its convert or kill. Christian are told to love them. Many religions use violence to prove their point, Christians don't, why is that I wonder?. If anyone says differently they are diverting away from what the Bible says and God.
Take a look at the world and it makes sense.