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13 August 2009, 03:57 PM
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Why not Les - Hitler and his followers thought he was right and good and doing the right thing. Remember the victors will always feel that right has prevailed. There are many civilisations around the world that may have a different value set to ours, not wrong just different, who are adamant that George Bush was one of the most evil men on the planet.
I am no fan of Idi Amin but you should not forget he was probably there because of the British and at least initially was a friend of the British state. Better the devil you know. So much for our excellent stewardship of the African 'nation'!
I think it is fantastic that you have had such great early years in your life and am sorry that you think things have got worse.
My belief is that people are more self-actualised, people do have much higher expectations now and people can be more selfish, but overall I feel we are also advancing as a civilisation and if we did not have growing pains then there would be no growth.
I for one would never want to return to the Ransome/Blyton-esque rose tinted past - I much prefer the opportunity and advancement of life today and my expectations for the future.
Trout
I am no fan of Idi Amin but you should not forget he was probably there because of the British and at least initially was a friend of the British state. Better the devil you know. So much for our excellent stewardship of the African 'nation'!
I think it is fantastic that you have had such great early years in your life and am sorry that you think things have got worse.
My belief is that people are more self-actualised, people do have much higher expectations now and people can be more selfish, but overall I feel we are also advancing as a civilisation and if we did not have growing pains then there would be no growth.
I for one would never want to return to the Ransome/Blyton-esque rose tinted past - I much prefer the opportunity and advancement of life today and my expectations for the future.
Trout
Yes most leaders will think they are right in what they do, but so many will cheat and lie now to achieve their ambitions. Hitler was pretty advanced in that respect! At least we gave him what for!
MPs were people whom the people respected and also felt that they were honourable characters. Attlee's govt. just after the War did so much for the people and all for the right reasons. All that started to change to what we see now when that slimy creep Wilson was in charge. Politics seems to have gone downhill since then.
We made the same mistake with Amin as we did with Mugabe. But look at what they personally did and what Mugabe is still doing! Not to forget all the other dreadful happenings in Africa. Its a terrible problem and how can the people sort it out for themselves?
I think that what is happening now is that we have a different style of politician who is more interested in his own advancement rather than that of the people of the country concerned and who will do all he can to remain in power and thus the good of the country is of little importance compared with his own ambitions. They seem to be prepared to use us these days. The old politicians were honest men whose mantra was to improve the lot of the people who elected them.
Modern politicians appear to be largely under the power of the whips and in the large will vote exactly as their leaders tell them and take all the benefits they are accorded in exchange. The laws which appear now either come from the Eu or are announced by the ruling cabal without even recourse to the House any more. What kind of democracy is that?
We are heading towards a situation where we will no longer have any say in our own lives.
Les
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