f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Face it people the country is in a mess, a huge mess. Neither the Tories or Labour have any real answers. Labour cannot win the next election and deep down they know it. The Tories cannot lose it and deep down they know it. Means that they can do whatever they like and whatever that is it will feather their own nests, Labour now, the Tories when they get elected. Until this country gets a party interested in the real good of the country as a whole rather than a set of greedy career politicains the cycle will just continue as it has since Maggie got elected.

Simon 69

That the conservative party saved the country last time is often overlooked. Foolish hatred of Margaret Thatcher makes me laugh. Awful as she was her government turned Britain around. Even the labour opposition as was, now agrees (I believe that Roy Hattersley claimed that she had saved the country and was the greatest leader since Churchill!)

Mitchy260

Good move in my opinion and will be a vote winner not loser.

The hard working tax payer is already sick fed up of supporting those on benefits so the fairest way to raise tax is to tax everyone.

I wouldn't mind paying extra if it meant evryone had to. I'd soon rather see VAT increased substantially than income tax.

Good move

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

What a load of bollocks. She and her 'government' are in no small way responsible for the break down in society you see today. The flames have been well and truly fanned by the current mob, but she championed the dog eat dog and greed driven society we see today.

She may have sorted out the unions to an extent, but she caused as many long term problems as she solved. I could go on but it is pointless as too many here have a rose tinted view of the evil cow!!

TurboKitty

I see your point, but that's a bit of a blanket statement, IMO.

I can understand resenting supporting people who've never paid into the system but many people claim benefits through no real fault of their own and having worked and paid a substantial amount of tax for many years beforehand. The "hard working tax payer" would expect that support to be there for them if they lost their job or became ill, so it's a bit unreasonable to make every person in receipt of benefit a target.

Plus you don't seem to have considered that if prices rise then the level of benefit will have to rise to provide the same standard of living.

Mitchy260

The fairest way is to hit everybody not just the income tax payer is what i was trying to get at.

Are you saying the opposite? The working tax payer should be hit with more taxation, but those who sit at home all day should get off scot free (again)

Its irrelevant if they are career scroungers or someone out of work through no fault of their own, everyone should be hit exactly the same in order to rebalance the books of Gordons whacky spending.

Benefits may go up yes, but so will your salary, so inflation doesn't make a lot of difference.

There's outrage every year when council tax bills increase, but you'll only find those that work complaining as those out of work couldn't care less if it increased 10fold or not even though we all use the same services etc. That is hardly fair but yet its the world we live in.

An increase in IT is unfair, an increase in VAT is fair. IMO anyway.

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

The only people to benefit from labours spell in power are the super rich and the super lazy.

jonc

Well at least when Thatcher's Government took us into war, we won it and with fewer casualties!!

warrenm2

And what colour are yours?

NotoriousREV

If there's anyone reading this thread that thinks there's any party to vote for that won't have to raise taxes in one form or other, can you raise your hand now so we can point and laugh at you?

cster

Isn't that the policy that bought your hero to power in 1979?

cster

You could as easily argue that the breakdown in society has been caused by an economic system (benefits/welfare/whatever ...) that financially discourages family units and people from looking after themselves and those around them. An economic system that makes it pay for those who believe that "society" will take responsibility for their fecklessness.
And it does!

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Ah yes the famous Falklands War. A war that could have been avoided if she had taken the diplomatic route, but then she couldn't have won an election on the back of it could she? Imagine a leader taking us into war on the back of a pack of lies..... sound familiar?

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Ah yes like the economic system actively encouraged by the Tory goverment of the 80s and their 'secret' black economy

cster

No harm in encouraging a little "entreprenurial" activity

mrtheedge2u2

Anyone who thinks that having to increase tax, based on the current set of circumstances, is avoidable needs to pull their head out of their *****......

Devildog

Sorry mate, but your entire post has no more, or less credibility than the one quoted and to which you are replying.

Its full of subjective opinion and speculation - not really a particularly clever way to refute someone elses post.

Ultimately, one could just as easily speculate that were it not for Thatcher's policies, we would be living in a far worse state than we are now. Break down in solciety? Hmm.. I suspect that Thatcher is no more or less to blame for that than anyone who succeded her.

Leslie

I think the answer there lies in the question "Who attacked who first"

Les

^Qwerty^

What diplomatic options were available other than handing them over?

corradoboy

Does anyone recall the fact that the Falklands issue was a conflict, not a war ? War was never declared by either side, and until we won it wasn't referred to as a war. Winning a conflict doesn't sound as good as winning a war though !

DazW

iTrader: (1)

Thatcher was a 'public choice theory' supporter tho' ...it's well documented that she had semina's with James Buchanan ...& she also believed in 'systems anaylasis' theory (she employed Alain Enthoven) & with these ideas/ideals she set about revolutionising UK politics & economics.

Whether you like it or not Thatcher introduced targets, incentives & bonus culture to the UK ...which has trickled down into most of our lives (SAT's, NHS waiting lists, Police Targets, Banking, Appraisals etc etc)