is Scotland a 'seperate' country now?
26 August 2009, 02:12 PM
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its came way too far,use are pointing the finger at me for being aggressive and hatefull so here's a few post's by use to see if use can understand why.
"Until then we'll continue raping them like we did India / Pakistan et al."
"I wish it was a separate country. And, whilst we building the wall back up again, can we build one to keep out the welsh ?
I would love to know what Wales / Scotland actually provide for the rest of the country.
I always see Scotlands behavior towards independance similar to a small dog on a lead. Always barking, growling, trying snap at people, pretending to get off the lead, but deep down knowing the owner will keep them safe, holding them back.
So, ok Scotland, you want to be independant, off you go, become your own country, your own taxes, your own laws, army, etc etc.
The only money making industries then would be the brewers, as Super Tennets / White Lightening Cider sales would rock !"
"Yes, thats all very well. But, what is the ratio of scroungers to tax payers ?
Also, its very rare to find a Scotish guy that isnt a) Agressive b) Alcholic c) Red faced d) Endless boring facts about how Scotland is better that than England yet lives in England and e) This is the worst point of all, has to wear a bloody quilt at a wedding. Every wedding has a quilt wearing ponce !"
Dont even start me on the Welsh. A completely useless region. It just a country you have to drive through to get to Ireland. Also, thier language ? christ, it sounds ridiculous. Why would you want to learn it ? Where else in the world is it used ?
Let the hate begin :-)
thats just a few i could be ar$ed raking out,yes i reacted badly,you would too if you came on and found a hugely un-true one sided arguement.i came on last night just to see what was happening and i was discusted that anyone would post up this topic,i dont hate the english and i dont know anyone who does but it's haters like many on here that change our opinion's about use.if this post was posted up by a scottish guy i can guarentee it would be deleted a long time ago,what raged me was so many foke just slagging off scotland with un-true statments.like were all scroungers,and woman beaters,and alchoholics.yes theres alot of junkies but that doesnt give anyone the right to call us all scroungers.i think use will find that england has the same if not higher rate of un-employed,does that mean we can call use scroungers?no.i said to someone earlier that like 80% of inventions where scottish,ok that aint true but that person asked for a list,i dont know every invention so i went an googled it,wooppy doo
"Until then we'll continue raping them like we did India / Pakistan et al."
"I wish it was a separate country. And, whilst we building the wall back up again, can we build one to keep out the welsh ?
I would love to know what Wales / Scotland actually provide for the rest of the country.
I always see Scotlands behavior towards independance similar to a small dog on a lead. Always barking, growling, trying snap at people, pretending to get off the lead, but deep down knowing the owner will keep them safe, holding them back.
So, ok Scotland, you want to be independant, off you go, become your own country, your own taxes, your own laws, army, etc etc.
The only money making industries then would be the brewers, as Super Tennets / White Lightening Cider sales would rock !"
"Yes, thats all very well. But, what is the ratio of scroungers to tax payers ?
Also, its very rare to find a Scotish guy that isnt a) Agressive b) Alcholic c) Red faced d) Endless boring facts about how Scotland is better that than England yet lives in England and e) This is the worst point of all, has to wear a bloody quilt at a wedding. Every wedding has a quilt wearing ponce !"
Dont even start me on the Welsh. A completely useless region. It just a country you have to drive through to get to Ireland. Also, thier language ? christ, it sounds ridiculous. Why would you want to learn it ? Where else in the world is it used ?
Let the hate begin :-)
thats just a few i could be ar$ed raking out,yes i reacted badly,you would too if you came on and found a hugely un-true one sided arguement.i came on last night just to see what was happening and i was discusted that anyone would post up this topic,i dont hate the english and i dont know anyone who does but it's haters like many on here that change our opinion's about use.if this post was posted up by a scottish guy i can guarentee it would be deleted a long time ago,what raged me was so many foke just slagging off scotland with un-true statments.like were all scroungers,and woman beaters,and alchoholics.yes theres alot of junkies but that doesnt give anyone the right to call us all scroungers.i think use will find that england has the same if not higher rate of un-employed,does that mean we can call use scroungers?no.i said to someone earlier that like 80% of inventions where scottish,ok that aint true but that person asked for a list,i dont know every invention so i went an googled it,wooppy doo
26 August 2009, 02:22 PM
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what i meant was use wouldnt like it and just got it deleted,why would i be paranoid?
ok 2 different countries side by side,obviously there's going to be rivalry but one thing we both have in common is the passion for subaru,but when i came on i was blown away by the subject,thats why i was p!ssed of.
read turbo kitty's and simons posts,hatred all over.
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OK, since you've singled me out, show me where there is hate in my posts. I've looked back through and I've kept it mostly factual or to the point and I've generally avoided insults and name-calling. From what I can see, I called you Jimmy pintsize, which is a bit childish but not in the same league as "****", "****hole" and "pisshead". I also suggested you'd been drinking meths.
You, on the other hand, Jimmy, have used offensive smileys, called people ***** and scummy f*ckers, stated that England is a "****hole", you've called me a pisshead for no apparent reason (I questioned your logic and didn't get an explanation), and plenty more.
You'll note, if you bother to look, that I'd said very little until hoochydady kicked off and then you posted that England is a "****hole" BEFORE I said much else. At that point the worst thing I'd said was to invite hoochydady to stop making a fool of himself.
So, I'd love to know why you are singling me out when YOU posted hatred before I did.
As for my "hatred", look at my exchange with Iain01. He was reasonable and so was I. You weren't reasonable and you have nothing to blame for the response you got but your own attitude.
So come on, show me this "hatred".
Oh, and a serious question, since I'm thinking of it. Why is it that a couple of English people commenting that they wish Scotland were independent an insult when a very significant proportion of Scots would like the very same thing? A lot of you wish you were independent? Well, big surprise, some of the English feel the same.
You, on the other hand, Jimmy, have used offensive smileys, called people ***** and scummy f*ckers, stated that England is a "****hole", you've called me a pisshead for no apparent reason (I questioned your logic and didn't get an explanation), and plenty more.
You'll note, if you bother to look, that I'd said very little until hoochydady kicked off and then you posted that England is a "****hole" BEFORE I said much else. At that point the worst thing I'd said was to invite hoochydady to stop making a fool of himself.
So, I'd love to know why you are singling me out when YOU posted hatred before I did.
As for my "hatred", look at my exchange with Iain01. He was reasonable and so was I. You weren't reasonable and you have nothing to blame for the response you got but your own attitude.
So come on, show me this "hatred".
Oh, and a serious question, since I'm thinking of it. Why is it that a couple of English people commenting that they wish Scotland were independent an insult when a very significant proportion of Scots would like the very same thing? A lot of you wish you were independent? Well, big surprise, some of the English feel the same.
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26 August 2009, 02:59 PM
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Yep, just read right through again and there's waaaaaay more hatred, name-calling and swearing in your posts than in mine Jimmy, so stop acting like the poor innocent victim here.
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its came way too far,use are pointing the finger at me for being aggressive and hatefull so here's a few post's by use to see if use can understand why.
"Until then we'll continue raping them like we did India / Pakistan et al."
"I wish it was a separate country. And, whilst we building the wall back up again, can we build one to keep out the welsh ?
I would love to know what Wales / Scotland actually provide for the rest of the country.
I always see Scotlands behavior towards independance similar to a small dog on a lead. Always barking, growling, trying snap at people, pretending to get off the lead, but deep down knowing the owner will keep them safe, holding them back.
So, ok Scotland, you want to be independant, off you go, become your own country, your own taxes, your own laws, army, etc etc.
The only money making industries then would be the brewers, as Super Tennets / White Lightening Cider sales would rock !"
"Yes, thats all very well. But, what is the ratio of scroungers to tax payers ?
Also, its very rare to find a Scotish guy that isnt a) Agressive b) Alcholic c) Red faced d) Endless boring facts about how Scotland is better that than England yet lives in England and e) This is the worst point of all, has to wear a bloody quilt at a wedding. Every wedding has a quilt wearing ponce !"
Dont even start me on the Welsh. A completely useless region. It just a country you have to drive through to get to Ireland. Also, thier language ? christ, it sounds ridiculous. Why would you want to learn it ? Where else in the world is it used ?
Let the hate begin :-)
thats just a few i could be ar$ed raking out,yes i reacted badly,you would too if you came on and found a hugely un-true one sided arguement.i came on last night just to see what was happening and i was discusted that anyone would post up this topic,i dont hate the english and i dont know anyone who does but it's haters like many on here that change our opinion's about use.if this post was posted up by a scottish guy i can guarentee it would be deleted a long time ago,what raged me was so many foke just slagging off scotland with un-true statments.like were all scroungers,and woman beaters,and alchoholics.yes theres alot of junkies but that doesnt give anyone the right to call us all scroungers.i think use will find that england has the same if not higher rate of un-employed,does that mean we can call use scroungers?no.i said to someone earlier that like 80% of inventions where scottish,ok that aint true but that person asked for a list,i dont know every invention so i went an googled it,wooppy doo
"Until then we'll continue raping them like we did India / Pakistan et al."
"I wish it was a separate country. And, whilst we building the wall back up again, can we build one to keep out the welsh ?
I would love to know what Wales / Scotland actually provide for the rest of the country.
I always see Scotlands behavior towards independance similar to a small dog on a lead. Always barking, growling, trying snap at people, pretending to get off the lead, but deep down knowing the owner will keep them safe, holding them back.
So, ok Scotland, you want to be independant, off you go, become your own country, your own taxes, your own laws, army, etc etc.
The only money making industries then would be the brewers, as Super Tennets / White Lightening Cider sales would rock !"
"Yes, thats all very well. But, what is the ratio of scroungers to tax payers ?
Also, its very rare to find a Scotish guy that isnt a) Agressive b) Alcholic c) Red faced d) Endless boring facts about how Scotland is better that than England yet lives in England and e) This is the worst point of all, has to wear a bloody quilt at a wedding. Every wedding has a quilt wearing ponce !"
Dont even start me on the Welsh. A completely useless region. It just a country you have to drive through to get to Ireland. Also, thier language ? christ, it sounds ridiculous. Why would you want to learn it ? Where else in the world is it used ?
Let the hate begin :-)
thats just a few i could be ar$ed raking out,yes i reacted badly,you would too if you came on and found a hugely un-true one sided arguement.i came on last night just to see what was happening and i was discusted that anyone would post up this topic,i dont hate the english and i dont know anyone who does but it's haters like many on here that change our opinion's about use.if this post was posted up by a scottish guy i can guarentee it would be deleted a long time ago,what raged me was so many foke just slagging off scotland with un-true statments.like were all scroungers,and woman beaters,and alchoholics.yes theres alot of junkies but that doesnt give anyone the right to call us all scroungers.i think use will find that england has the same if not higher rate of un-employed,does that mean we can call use scroungers?no.i said to someone earlier that like 80% of inventions where scottish,ok that aint true but that person asked for a list,i dont know every invention so i went an googled it,wooppy doo
Anyway - all good fun
26 August 2009, 03:34 PM
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27 August 2009, 09:53 AM
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The irony is supreme
27 August 2009, 11:43 AM
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The fact is Scots and English are all pretty much of the same mixed up heritage. Your pride comes from thinking you're better than the English, which is evident from so many of the posts on this thread. Being a Scot is nothing more to be proud of than being English, Irish, Turkish, Spanish, red, black, pink, yellow, or blue with orange stripes. And continued aggressive ranting about it does not make it so.
We won't understand as a nation or we cannot, as individuals, understand? I'd dispute that even if the nation as a whole has no pride, (which is a claim I would dispute in itself, it's just that we don't bang on about it aggressively all the time), it does not mean that members of that nation cannot understand national pride.
National pride is a great thing. The way it is expressed by many Scots is not. (Note: This is a statement, not a comparison. I am not saying that the way national pride is expressed by many English is better)
I would also point out that perhaps you have so much national pride that you can't see past it to anything else, making your contributions equally invalid as you are claiming mine are.
Ah the joy of hearing that from someone with his head so far up the Scots national **** that he can't tell daytime from night.
Of course my not agreeing with you would be down to my lack of understanding of the fundamental position. How silly of me not to realise!
We won't understand as a nation or we cannot, as individuals, understand? I'd dispute that even if the nation as a whole has no pride, (which is a claim I would dispute in itself, it's just that we don't bang on about it aggressively all the time), it does not mean that members of that nation cannot understand national pride.
National pride is a great thing. The way it is expressed by many Scots is not. (Note: This is a statement, not a comparison. I am not saying that the way national pride is expressed by many English is better)
I would also point out that perhaps you have so much national pride that you can't see past it to anything else, making your contributions equally invalid as you are claiming mine are.
Ah the joy of hearing that from someone with his head so far up the Scots national **** that he can't tell daytime from night.
Of course my not agreeing with you would be down to my lack of understanding of the fundamental position. How silly of me not to realise!
27 August 2009, 11:46 AM
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Well, a large part of it was "in my experience", so I don't see the problem with that!
As for the rest, well, most of the things that the world thinks are famous for being Scottish are not Scottish at all. They originate in other countries, and the most iconic Scottish thing of all, Tartan, was an English invention. Bagpipes, not Scottish, golf, not Scottish, the list goes on. That is not my opinion, that is just how it is I'm afraid.
You are are a mongrel nation. I'm not advocating that the English or the Welsh are not, but Scots thinking there is something Scottish about being Scottish is not borne out by your history or racial and cultural heritage. Gaelic originates from Irish, so is not Scottish. The closest thing to indigenous Scots that we have (the Picts) spoke a language related to Welsh, not Irish, so where does that leave modern Scottish nationalism?
Another non opinion is that Scotland was not conquered by the English, but willfully, and for financial gain and to possibly avoid disaster after Scotland had gone in to dire financial staits after the failure of the Darien Scheme, signed the Act of Union with England in 1707.
There is also good evidence that several large bribes were accepted from the English so that Scottish nobles and officals would smooth the largely unpopular union. So, your own leaders sold you out, hardly the English fault is it?
You still are supported financially by the English. Admittedly, most of the UK is subsidised by the wealthy south, but that does not change the fact that Scotland is in deficit and would not be able to provide the current level of service through independent taxation were it to gain it's independence.
All that said, I don't dislike Scotland or the Scots at all. I think it's a great place, beautiful countryside, and generally warm people. I know many poeople in Scotland who I genuinely would count as close friends, but they do have a chip on their shoulders about the English!
Perhaps Scotland should re-brand itself as 'New Scotland' like New Labour.
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As for the rest, well, most of the things that the world thinks are famous for being Scottish are not Scottish at all. They originate in other countries, and the most iconic Scottish thing of all, Tartan, was an English invention. Bagpipes, not Scottish, golf, not Scottish, the list goes on. That is not my opinion, that is just how it is I'm afraid.
You are are a mongrel nation. I'm not advocating that the English or the Welsh are not, but Scots thinking there is something Scottish about being Scottish is not borne out by your history or racial and cultural heritage. Gaelic originates from Irish, so is not Scottish. The closest thing to indigenous Scots that we have (the Picts) spoke a language related to Welsh, not Irish, so where does that leave modern Scottish nationalism?
Another non opinion is that Scotland was not conquered by the English, but willfully, and for financial gain and to possibly avoid disaster after Scotland had gone in to dire financial staits after the failure of the Darien Scheme, signed the Act of Union with England in 1707.
There is also good evidence that several large bribes were accepted from the English so that Scottish nobles and officals would smooth the largely unpopular union. So, your own leaders sold you out, hardly the English fault is it?
You still are supported financially by the English. Admittedly, most of the UK is subsidised by the wealthy south, but that does not change the fact that Scotland is in deficit and would not be able to provide the current level of service through independent taxation were it to gain it's independence.
All that said, I don't dislike Scotland or the Scots at all. I think it's a great place, beautiful countryside, and generally warm people. I know many poeople in Scotland who I genuinely would count as close friends, but they do have a chip on their shoulders about the English!
Perhaps Scotland should re-brand itself as 'New Scotland' like New Labour.
Geezer
27 August 2009, 12:10 PM
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this is for turbo kitty i wish you would stop mentioning ny name on here what is it do you miss me when im not here? lol i did not come on here to slag off the english considering im half english myself ,i did not like the fact you were on slagging off the scots for no reason talking about raping women what has this to do with a subaru forum or even a non subaru forum ? the reason i said hang your head in shame was because there is full grown men in here talking about raping women if your happy to sit back and let this topic of conversation carry on you are no better than them and the reason why i have not responded before now is i have a life .and by the way im not saying that scotland has a drug culture but it is no worse than anywhere else and i know this because i lived in england and i still have family all over england .eveybody likes to let off steam but you are doing it with malice i still say a moderator should have stepped in , at the end of the day we are all subaru owners regardless of which nationality you are ,but obviously turbo kitty your hatred of scots goes a lot deeper you were not interested with reading the posts you wanted to come in and slag me off without reading what he had written if you read back your posts you are racist not me .
27 August 2009, 12:38 PM
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Im Scottish and i just see all this as a little bit of friendly banter.
The Scottish unemployment rate is lower than the English unemployment rate, go figure about Scroungers.
Junkies, alcoholics, down and outs, scum of the earth?? Ever walked through an estate in Liverpool, Manchester or Newcastle? Not just in the North of England, you cant walk through an estate in London without being gunned down by a pre pubescent Jamaican refugee.
Scots, we have Whisky, Ben Nevis and a whole load of oil and gas. Any Englishman who thinks Scotland wouldn't survive outside of GB has their heads buried in the sand. The English need the Scots, not the other way around hence why they bend over backwards to keep us
Scots tourism and golfing, oh and Nessie. We invented everything and anything, oh and the deep fried mars bar
Chill out, the English are just as bad if not worse as the stereotypical Angry drunken Scot. Jeremy Kyle show tells you that.
Chill out, relax. We are all part of the same Isle, and i couldn't give a monkeys if someone was Scottish,Welsh, English or Irish.
Does this Anti Scottish, Anti English thing still really exist? If so, bloody grow up FFS
The Scottish unemployment rate is lower than the English unemployment rate, go figure about Scroungers.
Junkies, alcoholics, down and outs, scum of the earth?? Ever walked through an estate in Liverpool, Manchester or Newcastle? Not just in the North of England, you cant walk through an estate in London without being gunned down by a pre pubescent Jamaican refugee.
Scots, we have Whisky, Ben Nevis and a whole load of oil and gas. Any Englishman who thinks Scotland wouldn't survive outside of GB has their heads buried in the sand. The English need the Scots, not the other way around hence why they bend over backwards to keep us
Scots tourism and golfing, oh and Nessie. We invented everything and anything, oh and the deep fried mars bar
Chill out, the English are just as bad if not worse as the stereotypical Angry drunken Scot. Jeremy Kyle show tells you that.
Chill out, relax. We are all part of the same Isle, and i couldn't give a monkeys if someone was Scottish,Welsh, English or Irish.
Does this Anti Scottish, Anti English thing still really exist? If so, bloody grow up FFS
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27 August 2009, 01:02 PM
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nop nae irish in me. As Im scottish i just happen to know things. Thats due to our better standard of education.
Also noticed a few other bits thru this pile off crap.
About commandos or something
SAS WHO n WHERE was it founded?
Yi wont find much there on the english.
Also noticed a few other bits thru this pile off crap.
About commandos or something
SAS WHO n WHERE was it founded?
Yi wont find much there on the english.
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This is ridiculous. Some fine inventions have come out of Scotland, no doubt, but compared to the amount of inventions from the English.......
Everyone can cherry pick!
Sheesh!
I'm still looking for a Welsh invention
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Everyone can cherry pick!
Sheesh!
I'm still looking for a Welsh invention
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27 August 2009, 02:42 PM
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nop nae irish in me. As Im scottish i just happen to know things. Thats due to our better standard of education.
Also noticed a few other bits thru this pile off crap.
About commandos or something
SAS WHO n WHERE was it founded?
Yi wont find much there on the english.
Also noticed a few other bits thru this pile off crap.
About commandos or something
SAS WHO n WHERE was it founded?
Yi wont find much there on the english.
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this is for turbo kitty ...i did not like the fact you were on slagging off the scots for no reason talking about raping women what has this to do with a subaru forum or even a non subaru forum ?... but obviously turbo kitty your hatred of scots goes a lot deeper you were not interested with reading the posts you wanted to come in and slag me off without reading what he had written if you read back your posts you are racist not me .
I strongly dislike the attitude of many of the Scots posting on here but I'd love you to show me where I've said I hate the Scots. In fact, if YOU read back, you'll find I've said the exact opposite.
Your attitude and the way you posted got you slated, nothing else. As others pointed out, you backup every poor stereotype we have of the Scots.
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Wheres Trout today, He seems to be the English equivalent of me when it comes to this sort of thing
