JackClark

I doubt you'd feel so good if you paid for the car then everyone else copied it and got it free.

hux309

YouTube - The IT Crowd - Series 2 - Episode 3: Piracy warning

_Meridian_

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Translation: the record companies have made a big contribution to Party funds and now want something in return.


M

Sonic'

The way I see it is that the majority of the people who are causing problems are those who copy and sell on in bulk (ie Asia etc) for mass profit

I admit to downloading the odd episode or film or album, but if its good I will generally buy it anyway

Since the likes of ASDA etc starting bringing out DVD's for 2 and 3 quid ive actually bought more and downloaded less

Same with Albums

I know most of the money doesnt go to the artists in terms of albums etc and I would much rather pay 2 quid for an album available for download and knowing that 25-50% percent of that sale goes directly to the artist, instead of paying 10 quid for an album and 1-2% percent going to the artist

hodgy0_2

I wouldn't worry about record companies they have been benefiting from format changes for years

Abba's Gold album (amongst thousands of others) has been sold on vinyl, tape, DAT, CD, DVD ITunes etc etc etc

the copywrite industries are always harping on about new technology destroying them

the film industry thought as much about TV then VHS then DVD etc etc -- it was all going to destroy the film industry and movie going -- always rubbish, film and movie going has never been bigger

the more widely disseminated the medium the more everyone benefits -- has always been that way

every time a software manufacturer removes copy protection on software total sales go up

finalzero

That article and one earlier (which seems to have been pulled) are misleading and suggestive.

The title says "file sharers" will be targeted, yet I have read several statements from various sources then stating anyone downloading anything will be targeted.

There are two areas here, those that actively share files 24/7 and those that simply download a file and then switch off their p2p or whatever app they happen to be using.

Two very different things here... The vast majority will download something out of curiousity or simply to see what the new application is like but I am pretty sure those that are earning money now will happily spend their cash on some software, DVD or music CD if they deem it worthy.

The true nature of all this internet policing banter is to subsidise the internet and turn it into a digital Sky+ equivelant where everything is a premium service (Virgins own boss admitted to this fact).

The day that happens everything will go underground and I am not sure if this will be a good thing or not but it's an evolutionary step of the internet and bound to happen where as the digital infrastructure matures providing a richer and more responsive experience, certain services will become pay-per-acess as more and more service providers find ways to make money.

DYK

I have downloaded music and films from the net,the same as that i regularly go to HMV and buy the box sets when they reduce them in the sale.Example when pirates of the Caribbean came out i downloaded it off the net after watching it in the cinema,When it became available on DVD i went and bought the box set from HMV at a reduced cost in the sale,same as Bourne identity i downloaded that,when HMV reduced the price i went and bought the box set and so on.As for the isp providers i could probably see alot of customers downgrading to the basic broadband package,i know a few people who have the top broadband so they can get faster downloads on movies and music,if they are gonna be stopped from doing that then they have really no need for high speed broadband.Because of modern technology people don't have to wait months for a movie to come out on DVD when they can download off the net,and your always gonna get a certain amount of people who will abuse it.

Luminous

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I think what we will really see is that the mass market will start and want to purchase SSH encryption services so that your ISP cannot see what you are up to even if they want to. This will of course circumvent the governments proposals, but it does of course increase your general security while online as it stops potential snoopers from seeing what you are up to (even if that is just buying a bag of apples from Tescos).

SJ_Skyline

A nice bit of legislation suggested by our favourite unelected politician Darth Mandy who oddly enough has just been on holiday with David Geffen...

ALi-B

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Absolutely, the internet was invented to freely share and distribute data. The day it turns into a Murdoch style premium subscribe-a-thon will be its inevitable downfall (or maybe not if it replaces TV and Radio, which it probably will), or at least in the way we see it today.

I'm sure if that ever does happen, it will spawn some other form of free mass data communication technology that will shift away from the mass commercialism that the internet is suffering from.

Fabioso

Saw an article the other day that stated a huge proportion of the young population have or are downloading illegal music.

If a high percentage of an age group are partaking in an illegal activity then I say the industry/ies affected need(s) to take a long hard look at the situation and create an acceptable legal business model because otherwise you end up with a 1920's prohibition scenario..........which it seems according to this article is exactly what they have got..........

If the industries affected started embracing the "inevitable" instead of trying to repel it, in a bid to gain control "like in the good old days" then perhaps they would actually reap more financial rewards in the long run.

Boro

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The music and video industry sat on its **** while websites like Napster saw a gap in the market. They have already acknowledged they missed the boat and are now playing catch up.

I like the idea of adding a small amount to the monthly broadband charge to cover downloads for music/video, etc. Maybe the ISP's would be keener to adopt this idea if they were getting a cut.

As it stands, they are being asked to police file sharers with no commercial gain.

fastmike

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While MP's think its ok to claim thousands in expenses I,l think its ok to download films thanks very much

TelBoy

So you'd be happy to back-pay royalties, Mike? No, of course not. Pathetic analogy.

f1_fan

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And there in a nutshell is the whole problem. You actually think stealing is acceptable. You and millions of others. Nothing to do with business models etc. Very sad really

hodgy0_2

The music industry has failed at every turn to grasp new internet technologies

I remember being at a dinner party a few years ago, and was asked if I downloaded music

“Occasionally” I replied (although 95% I already have on vinyl – downloading is just a convenient way of getting it to MP3)

Well it was like I had just farted – so when I asked the question in return, the host said rather condescendingly

"No no I just borrow records from friends and tape them" – the irony of his reply was totally lost on him and like the music industry he failed to understand the new technologies

And as for the music business citing the plight of the poor artist – don’t make me laugh it spent the entire 60’s 70’s and 80’s ripping off Bands with contracts the were obscenely one sided

I find it slightly distasteful the way a private industry lobbies government to require another private industry to spy on us

I mean if they proposed to set up an agency with the right to enter your house and audit your computer and cd collection they would be rightly laughed at

The music industry is suffering for it massive massive failure to recognise the world has changed – but what do you expect from an industry riddle with drugs

FlightMan

Back in the late 70's I used to record the Top 40 show to tape. Probably along with 1,000's of others in the UK, and millions worldwide.

Did that destroy the music industry?

STi wanna Subaru

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Nope but it destroyed your sanity when you missed the start of a song because you were too slow on the pause button or got the DJ talking at the end of the song

FlightMan

hodgy0_2

and all those people who made mix tapes for friends and familly

criminals the lot of them worse than kiddy fiddlers -- and have destroyed the music industry

what bollox

TelBoy

No, because you couldn't distribute the tape anywhere like as readily as you can an electronic file today, plus tapes had all the usual disadvantages in comparison to buying the record - the only other available alternative. So people kept on buying records. And CDs after them. But when you've got a digital, virtual alternative, the goalposts change out of sight.

I think the previous suggestion of releasing low res versions with advertising for free, or a high res version without the gumf for a fee was a good one. But personally i wouldn't pay much at all for a film, maybe £2, but then i'm no film watcher. I can wait till it comes on telly.

hodgy0_2

but TelBoy surely that’s the point -- the music business wants to have its coke err sorry cake and eat it.

They have totally failed to recognise the impact of the new technology - massive fail from the greedy idiots in charge. They made billions selling the same music on differing formats throughout the 70’s 80’s and 90’s.

I just can’t bring myself to feel sorry for them – why should I have to pay to download Neil Diamond’s “Cracklin Rose” when I already own the right to play it on vinyl (legally bought and paid for) – they just don’t get it.

they have sat back and whinged and moaned about it for years instead of getting of their ***** and comming up with a workable model

itunes -- what a joke, a friend of mine had a disk crash -- lost his whole music collection, contacted ITunes -- who would have a record of everything he had downloaded and paid for -- would they let him just re download it -- would they fvck, the idiots wanted him to pay for it all over again

TelBoy

Yep i hear everything you say. Like much of the internet, it's almost become un-policeable (ouch). It would be impossible for anyone to know what you'd already paid for in other media forms. But i can also understand the artists' point of view that they're losing out on royalties. No easy answer, but the music industry is, by its own admission, on its ****. Difficult situation with no easy answers.


Come, coming.

hodgy0_2

I try TelBoy -- but you set such a high bar

Wurzel

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I can't believe you admit on a public BBS to owning a Neil Diamond LP

TelBoy

It's a good album, leave him alone

mart360

Dead before it went to print:-

Apparently the French (bless) are claiming its in breach of the HR act to deny people broadband access,

you couldn't make it up lol

Mart

hodgy0_2

I thought that might illicit a response

but seriously Neil Diamond is a legend (a fruitcake yes) but he has written some brilliant songs that I am sure get listened to and appreciated by people who do not realise that he as written them.

UB40 are on record as having no idea he had written Red Red Wine for several years, even after it had been a hit.

scunnered

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The entertainment industry is so far up its own **** nowadays.
Hundreds of years ago, before any one of us was around (even Pete Lewis), musicians and actors were considered to be not much higher up the social tree than beggars. They would ply their trade around the towns and villages for whatever people thought they were worth. Now that they have a much bigger audience due to television, radio etc, they expect to be paid in millions.Their agents also get rich, and so do the production companies. The industry is greedy enough to do whatever it can to stop people getting entertained for free.
Its their own greed that has caused it. If they had sold there music and films at a reasonable price, then file sharing wold be nowhere near as popular as it is.

finalzero

actually there is a 'fird' distinction here, those that did/do download po-rag isht off the net and then burn em to CD and sell em on enit?!

Like that 'TP' lot who sold loads of CD's at some local market until they got busted, £2-gazillion quid racket or sumink.

Same **** happened back in the day with tapes, had people selling them on the market stalls for cash.

Problem is these jobsworth want to blur the lines, instead of clearly identifying the feeving vankers they just put everyone under one label. If this is the precident then we are to believe in the near future giving someone your copy of the paper will be criminal and god forbid if someone hears your music (that you paid for or downloaded hehe), not owning said copy themselves.

ficking twuts