Muslim extremists AGAIN
08 September 2009, 02:06 PM
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The fact that there is no one mouthpiece to do this and the fact that the media have an agenda too means this view frm the average Muslim in the UK is often ignored, suppressed or just not noticed.
08 September 2009, 02:06 PM
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All true Paul, but then you are an intelligent guy and can see through certain agendas.
Do you really not think that the constant use of the expression 'Muslim extremist' taints Muslims in general and is not at least in part way an attempt to demonise Muslims as a whole on the part of the media whether that attempt be pre-meditated or a by product of some other agenda (e.g. selling newspapers etc.)
I think we can see at least one poster in this thread who is tarring all Muslims with the same brush and that kind of illustrates my point.
Do you really not think that the constant use of the expression 'Muslim extremist' taints Muslims in general and is not at least in part way an attempt to demonise Muslims as a whole on the part of the media whether that attempt be pre-meditated or a by product of some other agenda (e.g. selling newspapers etc.)
I think we can see at least one poster in this thread who is tarring all Muslims with the same brush and that kind of illustrates my point.
I do not see all back males as robbers, pimps, drug pushers or rapists either nor do i see all white people in tracksuits/hoodies as chavs and criminals looking to have kids at 13 and live off of the state, commit crime and have more kids.
we do not know what agendas some people on sn have or for what reasons they post what they post.
08 September 2009, 02:07 PM
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Banny are you a muslim?
If so where do you stand on this issue?
(thats a serious question, not one meant to provoke a response!)
If so where do you stand on this issue?
(thats a serious question, not one meant to provoke a response!)
08 September 2009, 02:10 PM
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I go by the motto live and let live, these extermists have got their heads up their own ***** and in no way represent the decent hard working muslim (such as myself).
You will find idiots in every walk of life but just become the common muslim is not shouting at the hills against these fools, this does not mean we endorse their actions!
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You will find idiots in every walk of life but just become the common muslim is not shouting at the hills against these fools, this does not mean we endorse their actions!
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08 September 2009, 02:17 PM
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If you were here now I could take you to two Muslim friends of mine who willingly speak out against the extremists at every opportunity as does much of their community.
The fact that there is no one mouthpiece to do this and the fact that the media have an agenda too means this view frm the average Muslim in the UK is often ignored, suppressed or just not noticed.
The fact that there is no one mouthpiece to do this and the fact that the media have an agenda too means this view frm the average Muslim in the UK is often ignored, suppressed or just not noticed.
I personally have never seen a muslim do that, hence why i think that!
I have been to the uni dental hospital in manchester before and been called a dirty kuffar by a load of 13 year olds on a bus stop bench. If they think like this now, what will they be prepared to do once they are 20?
Im sorry if (in your eyes) i have been personal towards your friends, i just feel very strongly on this point and i have yet to see a real world example with my own eyes to make me think differently!
Like i have said in previous posts, i used to work with a muslim lad (he was VERY westernised though), and he opened my eyes as to what the "community" is capable of: they have people on JSA who spend all day trying to get their friends families over here and get them benefits (He reckond 70% of them coming over knew they WOULDNT have to work, they WOULD get benefits and a house which is infinately better that what they have now).
He know of bogus "colleges" set up to blag student visas with the intention of never leaving england ever again, he knows of people who have multiple claims on JSA in the same area using different muslim names ( one guy claimed in six different job centres, thats alot of JSA were paying), need i go on!
They take the pi55 out this country and it should be stoppped!
08 September 2009, 02:19 PM
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I go by the motto live and let live, these extermists have got their heads up their own ***** and in no way represent the decent hard working muslim (such as myself).
You will find idiots in every walk of life but just become the common muslim is not shouting at the hills against these fools, this does not mean we endorse their actions!
Banny
You will find idiots in every walk of life but just become the common muslim is not shouting at the hills against these fools, this does not mean we endorse their actions!
Banny
Please encourage your peers to speak out as well, as it something we need more of in my humble opinion!
08 September 2009, 02:21 PM
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Banny, I had a good Muslim friend when I was growing up. When were in our last year of school(17) I asked him about this. He said that basically he'd kill his own family if allah wanted him to. 
That is pretty worrying stuff. Obviously it wouldn't take much to convince some people that allah wanted them to do something!
That is pretty worrying stuff. Obviously it wouldn't take much to convince some people that allah wanted them to do something!
08 September 2009, 02:35 PM
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I don't care if you're a muslim, jew, christian, etc, if you hate the country you reside in so much that you wish to commit acts of terror against it then you should leave, either of your own free will, or by the will of whomever is needed to remove you from the country.
I don't mind if you have your own place of worship and wish to speak in your own language in your own home, however, you DO need to integrate with the people and culture of the country you are residing in. *I* have integrated with the country I now live in, granted it's a lot like the UK, but there are differences, however, I have accepted these differences as I'm trying to fit in. I certainly don't puff out my chest and try and proclaim that Canada is evil and that I'm going to blow up the CN tower unless they follow the ways of the UK.
I think we all know the media overhypes things and that not every single muslim is some C4 wearing nutter whose quite happy to blow themselves and others up in the name of allah.
I've not read up about it, but why such hatred for the west, is it simply because we don't worship allah? I really don't "get" why you would live in a country you claim to loathe and wish to terrorise, why not move somewhere else where you can be with others who may think the same as you
I don't mind if you have your own place of worship and wish to speak in your own language in your own home, however, you DO need to integrate with the people and culture of the country you are residing in. *I* have integrated with the country I now live in, granted it's a lot like the UK, but there are differences, however, I have accepted these differences as I'm trying to fit in. I certainly don't puff out my chest and try and proclaim that Canada is evil and that I'm going to blow up the CN tower unless they follow the ways of the UK.
I think we all know the media overhypes things and that not every single muslim is some C4 wearing nutter whose quite happy to blow themselves and others up in the name of allah.
I've not read up about it, but why such hatred for the west, is it simply because we don't worship allah? I really don't "get" why you would live in a country you claim to loathe and wish to terrorise, why not move somewhere else where you can be with others who may think the same as you
08 September 2009, 02:42 PM
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Mostly the media is to blame as the brush any incident against muslims under the carpet, here is true story from Germany I wonder how many were aware of this!
"The story goes back to August 2008, when Marwa filed a defamation case against her killer, Axel, a 28-year unemployed German, after he called her a “terrorist” because she wears the hijab (Islamic veil).
However last Wednesday, Alex stabbed her 18 times to death in a German courtroom after the judges announced she won the case against him, and that he had to pay 2,800 Euros as a fine for his previous insults.
Marwa, 32-year-old Egyptian, was the wife of an Egyptian academic, who was on a scholarship in Germany. Her husband was also hurt in the incident and is now in critical condition in hospital, between life and death"
Banny
"The story goes back to August 2008, when Marwa filed a defamation case against her killer, Axel, a 28-year unemployed German, after he called her a “terrorist” because she wears the hijab (Islamic veil).
However last Wednesday, Alex stabbed her 18 times to death in a German courtroom after the judges announced she won the case against him, and that he had to pay 2,800 Euros as a fine for his previous insults.
Marwa, 32-year-old Egyptian, was the wife of an Egyptian academic, who was on a scholarship in Germany. Her husband was also hurt in the incident and is now in critical condition in hospital, between life and death"
Banny
08 September 2009, 02:47 PM
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the point there is (aside from the mental german "axel") is that why should someone get 3k euros for being called a terrorist, **** me its an insult, not an actual injury, the race card being played again!
If i beat up a muslim its rascist!
if he beats me up its usually not classed as race related, i know from personal experience, why is that?
Stuff like that only fuels the fire, it should be one rule for all!
If i beat up a muslim its rascist!
if he beats me up its usually not classed as race related, i know from personal experience, why is that?
Stuff like that only fuels the fire, it should be one rule for all!
08 September 2009, 02:55 PM
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How can people say that religion has nothing to do with this? 
Especially when if you ask these 'holy warriors' 
to explain their reasons behind trying to kill people, they will often use the phrase, 'I am doing Allah's work'.
I have a Muslim friend who is one of the nicest blokes you will ever meet. He plays professional hockey, does charity work on the weekends and was helping paint his local mosque just last week.
To label all Muslims with the same brush is very stupid and very naive. Then again, so is believing that the attacks have nothing to do with religion.
Especially when if you ask these 'holy warriors' to explain their reasons behind trying to kill people, they will often use the phrase, 'I am doing Allah's work'.I have a Muslim friend who is one of the nicest blokes you will ever meet. He plays professional hockey, does charity work on the weekends and was helping paint his local mosque just last week.
To label all Muslims with the same brush is very stupid and very naive. Then again, so is believing that the attacks have nothing to do with religion.
08 September 2009, 03:30 PM
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It must be pretty obvious to any one with any kind of intelligence, that this extemism has nothing to do with religion whatsoever.
Maybe they need God who is impotent, powerless and never there when you need him - I'm thinking of some kind of Clark Kent God here.
Yeah, that could do it.
Come to think of it - the impotent and powerless personality is probably what defines the type of (generally) young males who put themselves for suicide. Control of their destiny at last.
08 September 2009, 03:37 PM
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If Allah wanted the people smited - he would do it himself.
It must be pretty obvious to any one with any kind of intelligence, that this extemism has nothing to do with religion whatsoever.
Maybe they need God who is impotent, powerless and never there when you need him - I'm thinking of some kind of Clark Kent God here.
Yeah, that could do it.
Come to think of it - the impotent and powerless personality is probably what defines the type of (generally) young males who put themselves for suicide. Control of their destiny at last.
It must be pretty obvious to any one with any kind of intelligence, that this extemism has nothing to do with religion whatsoever.
Maybe they need God who is impotent, powerless and never there when you need him - I'm thinking of some kind of Clark Kent God here.
Yeah, that could do it.
Come to think of it - the impotent and powerless personality is probably what defines the type of (generally) young males who put themselves for suicide. Control of their destiny at last.
The religion itself is not wrong (imho) but how it is used is in some cases.
we do notlive in the middle ages or the times of the crusades yet some act like we are and they need to be stopped.
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08 September 2009, 04:13 PM
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[QUOTE=cster;8929083]If Allah wanted the people smited - he would do it himself.
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So God actually wants thousands of children to die from starvation every hour?
That's some twisted logic there!
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So God actually wants thousands of children to die from starvation every hour?
That's some twisted logic there!
08 September 2009, 04:22 PM
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[QUOTE=chrispurvis100;8929159]
I watched (and cried) as dead children where being pulled out of a palistinian school, bombed by Isreali planes. This was on ME al Jezeera, not the sanitised version we get in the uk, close up shots of dead babies and young kids - i am not too sure why Allah thought that that was a great idea or let it happen either. perhaps you could argue that they went to a better place i suppose, surely they would have been better off living their lives then going to a better place instread of dying horribly being blown to bits and crushed/suffacated in there collapse...
same could be said for God (christian) or whoever you believe in, looking at some of the natural and man made disasters and atrocities committed in his name or for him, however he may be.
same could be said for God (christian) or whoever you believe in, looking at some of the natural and man made disasters and atrocities committed in his name or for him, however he may be.
08 September 2009, 06:26 PM
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TBH with you - if God exists -and who am I to say one way or the other - why would It give a **** about human beings?
The fact is that some people use religion for their own political ends.
I don't attribute a moral dimension to this activity - it is just human nature.
My point is, don't try to blame human failings on religion.
Jacob Bronowski observed that warfare began with the invention of agriculture. It's been going on eversince.
More to do with economics than God is my guess.
Here is a conundrum - If it could be proved that God didn't exist - would people still blame these ills on religion?
The fact is that some people use religion for their own political ends.
I don't attribute a moral dimension to this activity - it is just human nature.
My point is, don't try to blame human failings on religion.
Jacob Bronowski observed that warfare began with the invention of agriculture. It's been going on eversince.
More to do with economics than God is my guess.
Here is a conundrum - If it could be proved that God didn't exist - would people still blame these ills on religion?
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08 September 2009, 06:30 PM
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I can't speak for God mate, but I'd love to hear from you if you can.
08 September 2009, 08:11 PM
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Radical Muslims believe that the west is waging a holy war against them -- something which the US does little to dissuade them from this view
Senior US officials openly talk of a Holy War in the Middle East whilst quoting passages from the bible.
I am not a Muslim and am no apologists for terror in any form by any person or persons
Lets also not forget less than 15 years ago 8000 Muslim men and boys some as young as 10 were marched into the woods in Bosnia – under the eyes of the media (TV crews filmed them being taken away) and the UN and were machine gunned to death – all 8000, by a christian militia
They only crime was being a Muslim
Srebrenica massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The mass executions followed a well-established pattern. The men were first taken to empty schools or warehouses. After being detained there for some hours, they were loaded onto buses or trucks and taken to another site for execution. Usually, the execution fields were in isolated locations. The prisoners were unarmed and, in many cases, steps had been taken to minimise resistance, such as blindfolding them, binding their wrists behind their backs with ligatures or removing their shoes. Once at the killing fields, the men were taken off the trucks in small groups, lined up and shot. Those who survived the initial round of gunfire were individually shot with an extra round, though sometimes only after they had been left to suffer for a time
Senior US officials openly talk of a Holy War in the Middle East whilst quoting passages from the bible.
I am not a Muslim and am no apologists for terror in any form by any person or persons
Lets also not forget less than 15 years ago 8000 Muslim men and boys some as young as 10 were marched into the woods in Bosnia – under the eyes of the media (TV crews filmed them being taken away) and the UN and were machine gunned to death – all 8000, by a christian militia
They only crime was being a Muslim
Srebrenica massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The mass executions followed a well-established pattern. The men were first taken to empty schools or warehouses. After being detained there for some hours, they were loaded onto buses or trucks and taken to another site for execution. Usually, the execution fields were in isolated locations. The prisoners were unarmed and, in many cases, steps had been taken to minimise resistance, such as blindfolding them, binding their wrists behind their backs with ligatures or removing their shoes. Once at the killing fields, the men were taken off the trucks in small groups, lined up and shot. Those who survived the initial round of gunfire were individually shot with an extra round, though sometimes only after they had been left to suffer for a time
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GC8WRX what you experienced is more of a cultural thing than anything else and in reality just a bunch of pr*cks venting their aggression and venom.
I have a mixed crowd of friend and I can still say we are tight nit group of friends made up of whites, blacks and asians but I know a guy outside of this circle who had a bad experience at Uni which really affected his view on asian and black people.
You have thugs in every walk of life and I am realising that now, these kinds of people simply use whatever subject matter at hand to vent their hatred from the colour of your skin to the fact that you are not perceived as part of their so called faith.
Like Banny I am quite liberal but I keep my faith to myself, its a personal affair and a part of strengthening my spirit so I can get through hard times and try to see the world a little differently now and then.
People like to make themselves into gods thinking they can judge people because somehow they are better, a god complex and its one of the main causes of all the grief at the moment. Add to that large communities of ethnic groups that have not tried to integrate into the wider social community for a long time and you have people who alienate everyone else and are alienated themselves...
These kinds of people never progress.
You are entitled to your views but try to back them up with something valid
I have a mixed crowd of friend and I can still say we are tight nit group of friends made up of whites, blacks and asians but I know a guy outside of this circle who had a bad experience at Uni which really affected his view on asian and black people.
You have thugs in every walk of life and I am realising that now, these kinds of people simply use whatever subject matter at hand to vent their hatred from the colour of your skin to the fact that you are not perceived as part of their so called faith.
Like Banny I am quite liberal but I keep my faith to myself, its a personal affair and a part of strengthening my spirit so I can get through hard times and try to see the world a little differently now and then.
People like to make themselves into gods thinking they can judge people because somehow they are better, a god complex and its one of the main causes of all the grief at the moment. Add to that large communities of ethnic groups that have not tried to integrate into the wider social community for a long time and you have people who alienate everyone else and are alienated themselves...
These kinds of people never progress.
You are entitled to your views but try to back them up with something valid
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09 September 2009, 01:34 AM
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Those pesky terrorists come in all shapes,sizes and colours.Some may even look like you or I
Extract from SKY online...A neo-**** who was about to launch a racist terror campaign on the streets of Britain has been jailed indefinitely.
Neil Lewington, 44, wanted to emulate his far-right heroes, Oklahoma bomber Timothy McVeigh and Soho nail bomber David Copeland.
The unemployed electrician, of Tilehurst, Reading, kept video compilations about their murderous attacks at his home.
Police discovered a bomb factory in his bedroom after he was arrested by chance at Lowestoft railway station, Suffolk, for drunkenly abusing a female conductor.
Extract from SKY online...A neo-**** who was about to launch a racist terror campaign on the streets of Britain has been jailed indefinitely.
Neil Lewington, 44, wanted to emulate his far-right heroes, Oklahoma bomber Timothy McVeigh and Soho nail bomber David Copeland.
The unemployed electrician, of Tilehurst, Reading, kept video compilations about their murderous attacks at his home.
Police discovered a bomb factory in his bedroom after he was arrested by chance at Lowestoft railway station, Suffolk, for drunkenly abusing a female conductor.
09 September 2009, 09:56 AM
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Those pesky terrorists come in all shapes,sizes and colours.Some may even look like you or I
Extract from SKY online...A neo-**** who was about to launch a racist terror campaign on the streets of Britain has been jailed indefinitely.
Neil Lewington, 44, wanted to emulate his far-right heroes, Oklahoma bomber Timothy McVeigh and Soho nail bomber David Copeland.
The unemployed electrician, of Tilehurst, Reading, kept video compilations about their murderous attacks at his home.
Police discovered a bomb factory in his bedroom after he was arrested by chance at Lowestoft railway station, Suffolk, for drunkenly abusing a female conductor.
Extract from SKY online...A neo-**** who was about to launch a racist terror campaign on the streets of Britain has been jailed indefinitely.
Neil Lewington, 44, wanted to emulate his far-right heroes, Oklahoma bomber Timothy McVeigh and Soho nail bomber David Copeland.
The unemployed electrician, of Tilehurst, Reading, kept video compilations about their murderous attacks at his home.
Police discovered a bomb factory in his bedroom after he was arrested by chance at Lowestoft railway station, Suffolk, for drunkenly abusing a female conductor.
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That's just it though. They aren't Muslim in the true sense of the religion as the real Muslim faith does not preach cold blooded murder or terrorism as part of its creed despite what our media (and half of SN NSR 
) would like you to believe
My issue is that by calling them Muslim extremists it taints all Muslims up to a point and that is exacty what I see happening.
Have you ever heard of anyone being called a Christian extremist? No you probably haven't yet there are plenty of them out there. If you were going to push things we could refer to the IRA as Chrstian extremists, but I doubt the general public of our Christian nation would be too happy about that.
) would like you to believeMy issue is that by calling them Muslim extremists it taints all Muslims up to a point and that is exacty what I see happening.
Have you ever heard of anyone being called a Christian extremist? No you probably haven't yet there are plenty of them out there. If you were going to push things we could refer to the IRA as Chrstian extremists, but I doubt the general public of our Christian nation would be too happy about that.
It should be remembered that those extremists who are using the religion to their own wicked and selfish ends have publicly said that their ambition is to convert this entire country to Islam and to Sharia law. I don't much like the sound of that!
The point also made about the way this spineless bunch kowtows to the Eu is also dead right. They are proposing to dictate how many immigrants we will be forced to admit in the future for a start!
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Do people still post these nonsense threads? Unbelievable!
Well I won't repeat what I have posted many times before. What I will do, if I get round to it, are to post some photos from a recent trip to Belgium.
There, from visiting historical sites and cemeteries from WWI, I saw many names of Muslim soldiers in the British army, who fought and died for this country before anyone on SN was even born!
I will post up the photo's as evidence.
But before that I must update my 'For Sale' thread. Have you seen it? Am selling one of my Scoobs, go and check it out.
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Well I won't repeat what I have posted many times before. What I will do, if I get round to it, are to post some photos from a recent trip to Belgium.
There, from visiting historical sites and cemeteries from WWI, I saw many names of Muslim soldiers in the British army, who fought and died for this country before anyone on SN was even born!
I will post up the photo's as evidence.
But before that I must update my 'For Sale' thread. Have you seen it? Am selling one of my Scoobs, go and check it out.
Asif
09 September 2009, 11:02 PM
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just got in, get in england, we finally look half decent!
Im curious as to why half my posts have disappeared, is it admin vaping them or has someone taken offence and asked for them to be removed?
Im curious as to why half my posts have disappeared, is it admin vaping them or has someone taken offence and asked for them to be removed?