c_maguire

You are advocating censorship.
1920's/30's Germany was a country shunned and isolated by others, an environment ripe for a charismatic individual like Hitler to engage the masses. Modern communication networks such as the web make a similar scenario very unlikely today and it's not far fetched to suggest that the isolation of Germany by the rest of us was largely the catalyst for Hitler's popularity anyway.
The BNP are now entitled to have their say and a resistance to this by other political parties is just indicative of the hypocrisy we have to put up with all the time. If they talk a load of unsubstatiated nonsense then surely the public will see them for what they are.....no problem then? Or do the other parties have such a low opinion of us that they fear we might be coerced by the BNP.
I find the actions of others who would try to prevent me from any exposure to the BNP as frankly insulting to my intelligence.
Kevin

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

No I'm advocating they stop dressing up their real agenda in some less extreme rhetoric that sucks certain people in especially at a time when the two main parties are so utterly pathetic. Until they do that and answer the questions that certain hard evidence of their more extreme beliefs has raised (such as that obtained on various hidden cameras at their more secretive and select meetings) then I feel they should not be given any exposure in much the same way the IRA were censured in the 1980s for similar reasons.

Oh and one more thing, I just know if this were a Muslim Extremist party dressing up their hatred in a more palatable message you would all be shouting for their heads let alone to have them censured. Then again that's hypocrisy for you.

MikeCardiff

iTrader: (2)

f1_fan - I'm quite aware of what the BNP's real motivations are, in the same way that ALL politicians have an agenda other than that shown by their personal face, be it personal, political, racial etc...

But censoring them isn't an answer - it is much better they are out in the open and people can find out what motivations they have and bring them to account, rather than forcing them underground, where they will still get support, but will be more free to spout their aryan nonsense in privacy.

Sadly, racism, bigotry and hatred will always exist, and like minded people will group together because of it. Trying to hide the fact it exists from the general public is very dangerous as it allows it to grow unchallenged.

The Zohan

It was not just his charisma, the gound was already prepared for the likes of Hiltler to take over.
Let's not forget the strict rules and regulations set by the likes of the UK, France, etc on what Germany could and could not do, resticting trade and industry and pretty much causing them to go into free fall inflation so people could not afford to feed themsleves. The Treaty of Versailles (from memory) and also the giving away of (perceived) Germany lands to other countries

Hitler offered an alternative and a chance to put Germany back on the map and rid itself of the untermench, the likes of the Jews who where perceived by the German public as part of the problem.



I agree with the BNP being allowed to have thier say so people can really see who and what they are and what they stand for - I just hope they have hi calibre people on the panel to ask the right questions and probe hard to get through the thin veneer to the real BNP and what they are about.

Norman D. Landings

Surely you're not seriously suggesting that the BNP is the only political party in the UK (you might as well include most supposed Democracies here in fact) which says one thing and means another?

I suspect that we'll see other party's members making some childish gestures such as refusing to be seated by Nick Griffin on the night.

It seems to me that the mainstream partys are at such pains to riduclue the BNP not because of their racist undertones, but because a hell of a lot of their other stated aims are simply common sense and would be hugely beneficial to the majority of UK residents and show up the current effete w-anchors in both power and opposition for the scounging, self important freeloaders that they are!

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

No, but it is what they really stand for that bothers me. The Tories, Labour etc. are just greedy and career driven. The BNP are a nasty, divisive, bigoted organisation who at the very heart of the party support and encourage racially motivated violence. You really think those sort of people should be given a voice?

Norman D. Landings

Yes.

Edit: And you just described John Prescott.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Well we will have to agree to differ then. Been a BNP member long?

Norman D. Landings

Nope. Am not one now, never have been and dont intend on becoming one either. I do however like the idea of free speech, shame you dont.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

I do, but not when it's dressed up to be something it isn't. It would be OK if most of the population were intelligent, but they aren't sadly.

Can I just ask if you are as accepting of 'free speech' when one of these extreme Muslim clerics is preaching death to Westerners?

The Zohan

You see through them, i see through them!
I think you need to give some credit to other people doing just that, We are all a lot wiser as regards policital parties, given the last 30 years worth of performaces and especially during this current recession.
I think you will find people are generally smarter than you or indeed me at times give them credit for.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

I don't. Most of the UK population is as thick as two short planks in my eyes. Sorry

Norman D. Landings

I think I'm correct in stating that any person found to be voicing racial hatred of any kind, inciting violence against any group or threatening any individual or group of individual would be breaking existing laws yes?

Tell me, have the current spokespeople for the BNP (and by that I mean those who stood for election) been arrested or voted for by a significant number of people?

Thats is why free speech is a good thing. You are allowed to say whatever you like so long as it is not likely to incite others to violence. A good example of what is not allowed is "preaching death to Westerners".

The Zohan

Oh come on, really!

Not all read the Sun and the Daily Maul and take it as gospel.

If we where really all that thick the govt would already be BNP and we would have pushed the darkies back into the sea - except the ones running good curry houses of course

Yes there are some home grown window lickers and chavscum who would vote that way but the majority of the UK is smarter and better than that - at least at the moment until the chav breed abd breed abnd become the majority.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Ah but you see in my eyes the Muslim cleric is the marginally better of the two as at least he is open about his views whereas the BNP say one thing yet behind closed doors preach an entirely more hateful rhetoric akin to that of the cleric in some ways .... or is encouraging 'paki-bashing' OK?

The fact that this spineless country hasn't prosecuted them is not really any surprise as the CPS would need them to write an open confession in triplicate before it would prosecute anyone these days.

Leslie

There is a perfectly reasonable argument not to allow people to preach sedition and encouragement to kill in the name of a person's policy.

Les

chocolate_o_brian

iTrader: (22)

Thats a good point but it's also worth mentioning that at the time, Germany was going through a distinctively worse depression with millions unemployed etc, and the Germans simply latched onto Hitlers ideas through (what I beleive to be) desperation and naivety.

Just thought I'd make that point

The Zohan

I had already pointed that out but there ya go

In fairness the Germans had the best uniforms without doubt.

chocolate_o_brian

iTrader: (22)

I wanted my say bitch

The Zohan

LOL!
You wil get my size 12 jackboot up your *** biatch!

chocolate_o_brian

iTrader: (22)

I hope you do a thorough risk assessment before hand

hodgy0_2

and never beaten in battle when they had any sort of parity in men or equipment.

you also make an interesting point re the German attitude to the Jews, in fact most Germans truly believed (through **** propaganda and deep seated anti Semitism) that the Jews somehow brought the holocaust upon themselves – in a sense they were to blame, they managed to turn the victim into the perpetrators

I see this attitude is quite prevalent on Scoobynet in its views on various minorities and people less fortunate than ourselves, both here and abroad.

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

totally agree most of their statements are common sense and would work if toned down a bit . for example immigration could be solved with a small change in eu/uk law so that anyone wishing to come here would be entitled to the same benifits as they would in their own country IE NOTHING that would stop em coming here . the harsh reality is the single men from other countries are prepared to do jobs english men cant afford to do because the benifits system shafts them as soon as they work . as soon as they have a ni number to work they live in shared houses ie next to no bill cos shared and claim child benifit for their children living back home . then after 12 months can claim childrens tax credit as well .. 21million quid is transfered out of this country every week so i dont think they make that much of a contribution do you

Maz

iTrader: (34)

Stifling the BNP will only cause it's popularity to flourish. Let them have their say, let there be an open debate. Disaffected populus, economic depression and loony policies from self serving public servants will only cause the masses to seek any alternative to the mainstream.
I would be more interested in their manifesto on health and education, defence and the welfare system. Given the calibre of some of their constituents I'm not sure they would make for an effective cabinet. I fully understand the frustration of the indiginous population, the expenses scandal being the last straw. People are peeved to the extreme and with that sort of mindset propoganda and the power of suggestion is very effective.
Personally I couldn't care for any politician. They are experts in avoiding questions and not giving straight answers. To me they are parasites and the BNP is no different, they too are part of the political spectrum but have an air of 'the emperor's new clothes' about them.
Bring on the debate, let them have their say.

The Zohan

Wooley thinking and policies by politicians like Hain are the reason the BNP gather strength and support - the chickens come home to roost and weak feeble w@nkers like Hain havedn't even got the bottle to stand and fight, he should be well ale to handle anybody the BNP field for the show yet he chooses not to do so


So much for the 70's anti-**** 'fighter' Hain then. He should be ashamed and stop using lame excuses like they (the BNP) should not have a voice - to late mate the BNP have and do and took seveal seats in Wales so Hain, stand up and be counted - try being a man about it!

Maz

iTrader: (34)

Paul the very fact that BNP has gained popularity shows just how much p!ss taking the mainstreamers have been taking. The fact that they are still not listening to the electorate further highlights the contempt in which they hold the general public. It leads me to the conclusion that these idiots have been spewing so much 'spin' laden codswallop that they now are believers of their own hype! The mind boggles.

The Dogs B******s

I might actually watch it for the first time

hodgy0_2

the other organisations on the panel should be represented by all non-white Britions

maybe then the BNP would refuse to turn up