derren brown predicts the lottery
11 September 2009, 10:47 PM
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He's amazing........He's bordering on psychic worlds.........ahhh No he's just an illusionist using a trick to fool people.
Magic when broken to the solution is really very obvious. If anyone really believes this bull**** about "wisdom of crowds". Its all an illusion.
Derren Brown, you are on that slippery slope from being entertaining to becoming a David Blanesque pain in the **** (excuse the pun.......
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I'm looking forward to him being able to keep me on my sofa next week, when I have some ice cold Lager in the fridge
Magic when broken to the solution is really very obvious. If anyone really believes this bull**** about "wisdom of crowds". Its all an illusion.
Derren Brown, you are on that slippery slope from being entertaining to becoming a David Blanesque pain in the **** (excuse the pun.......
).I'm looking forward to him being able to keep me on my sofa next week, when I have some ice cold Lager in the fridge
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12 September 2009, 06:59 AM
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Clever show the more you think about it - as he managed to fool those 24 people into thinking they were actually predicting the lottery over a number of weeks. Perhaps he did the same as the horse racing thing - in that he had a number of groups, and kept doing it until he had the group getting a 4 number sequence, which was then a trigger to getting the show on tv the following week?
12 September 2009, 08:59 AM
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The ball does move, and it is a probably a calculated move to throw off all the people from working out how he really did it.
Think about it, Derren is not an idiot, in the day of HD tv`s, people can spot flaws such as this even easier, whatever he did, he would have practised it a million times and worked out all the potential kinks before it was used on air........
He will probably explain how it was all done in his next book
He is setting everybody up to make him some more money in the future
Think about it, Derren is not an idiot, in the day of HD tv`s, people can spot flaws such as this even easier, whatever he did, he would have practised it a million times and worked out all the potential kinks before it was used on air........
He will probably explain how it was all done in his next book
He is setting everybody up to make him some more money in the future
12 September 2009, 09:55 AM
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So no one thinks he may have "fixed the lottery" like decribed at the end then?
Why say it was a trick, if those people DID manage to predict the numbers, why not just say?
All the things he described about having to do to "fix the lottery" he is very capable of, and of course he'd never admit it.
Very weird, threw me with that last bit.
And I seriously doubt a man who can win/create/make money such as he can, would be thinking in those lines. If the guys short he just goes to a bookies and scams the assistant! Didnt you see the dog racing one (not where he had groups) but where he convinced the cashier at the booth that his losing ticket was the winning ticket and paid him out.
Why say it was a trick, if those people DID manage to predict the numbers, why not just say?
All the things he described about having to do to "fix the lottery" he is very capable of, and of course he'd never admit it.
Very weird, threw me with that last bit.
And I seriously doubt a man who can win/create/make money such as he can, would be thinking in those lines. If the guys short he just goes to a bookies and scams the assistant! Didnt you see the dog racing one (not where he had groups) but where he convinced the cashier at the booth that his losing ticket was the winning ticket and paid him out.
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12 September 2009, 10:12 AM
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The reason he said it was a trick was because it WAS a trick. As said, he isnt stupid, so he hasnt lied to anyone by saying this, but he has made everyone (well alot of people) think exactly the opposite.
If it was a genuine prediction, he would have said so, it couldnt have been fixed, but he led people to believe it could have been, therefor, the only option left is a trick.
Reverse psychology.
If it was a genuine prediction, he would have said so, it couldnt have been fixed, but he led people to believe it could have been, therefor, the only option left is a trick.
Reverse psychology.
12 September 2009, 10:17 AM
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So no one thinks he may have "fixed the lottery" like decribed at the end then?
Why say it was a trick, if those people DID manage to predict the numbers, why not just say?
All the things he described about having to do to "fix the lottery" he is very capable of, and of course he'd never admit it.
Very weird, threw me with that last bit.
And I seriously doubt a man who can win/create/make money such as he can, would be thinking in those lines. If the guys short he just goes to a bookies and scams the assistant! Didnt you see the dog racing one (not where he had groups) but where he convinced the cashier at the booth that his losing ticket was the winning ticket and paid him out.
Why say it was a trick, if those people DID manage to predict the numbers, why not just say?
All the things he described about having to do to "fix the lottery" he is very capable of, and of course he'd never admit it.
Very weird, threw me with that last bit.
And I seriously doubt a man who can win/create/make money such as he can, would be thinking in those lines. If the guys short he just goes to a bookies and scams the assistant! Didnt you see the dog racing one (not where he had groups) but where he convinced the cashier at the booth that his losing ticket was the winning ticket and paid him out.
12 September 2009, 10:20 AM
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Well Its something to consider. I dont see the "wisdom of crowds" working. Not that there isnt anything to it..... I dunno. I am completely stumped on how he did this. He is capable of doing all the things he described he would have to do to "fix the lottery" So I just dont know.
12 September 2009, 11:38 AM
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Occam's Razor: "Of several acceptable explanations for a phenomenon, the simplest is preferable, provided that it does not contradict the observed facts."
Before last night's show my main reservation with the split screen theory was that Derren's act is supposedly about psychology and misdirection, rather than magic. I couldn't see him walking on stage and saying oops sorry folks, it was just a camera trick no more sophisticated than what they could have done in the 80s. He would have cheated everyone in a dumb way, and would have been slated for it.
Instead, hire 24 out of work actors and create this whole backstory about the wisdom of crowds. *Now* we're back on home Derren territory, albeit the people being misdirected aren't the people on the show but instead us the viewers.
Still a nice bit of television though.
Before last night's show my main reservation with the split screen theory was that Derren's act is supposedly about psychology and misdirection, rather than magic. I couldn't see him walking on stage and saying oops sorry folks, it was just a camera trick no more sophisticated than what they could have done in the 80s. He would have cheated everyone in a dumb way, and would have been slated for it.
Instead, hire 24 out of work actors and create this whole backstory about the wisdom of crowds. *Now* we're back on home Derren territory, albeit the people being misdirected aren't the people on the show but instead us the viewers.
Still a nice bit of television though.
12 September 2009, 11:59 AM
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I got bored after 10 minutes. Although did catch David Blaine later on last night and some interesting stuff on there. Taking 2 full power punches from a heavyweight mma fighter (and former street fighter) Kimbo Slice without even a grimace.
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12 September 2009, 02:48 PM
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OMG As nobody watched the Prestige Film,you're looking for the secret.but you won't find it, because of course you're not really looking.
Every great magic trick consists of three parts or acts. The first part is called "The Pledge". The magician shows you something ordinary: a deck of cards, a bird or a man. He shows you this object. Perhaps he asks you to inspect it to see if it is indeed real, unaltered, normal. But of course... it probably isn't. The second act is called "The Turn". The magician takes the ordinary something and makes it do something extraordinary. Now you're looking for the secret... but you won't find it, because of course you're not really looking. You don't really want to know. You want to be fooled. But you wouldn't clap yet. Because making something disappear isn't enough; you have to bring it back. That's why every magic trick has a third act, the hardest part, the part we call "The Prestige"."
Good film btw if you not watched it..
Every great magic trick consists of three parts or acts. The first part is called "The Pledge". The magician shows you something ordinary: a deck of cards, a bird or a man. He shows you this object. Perhaps he asks you to inspect it to see if it is indeed real, unaltered, normal. But of course... it probably isn't. The second act is called "The Turn". The magician takes the ordinary something and makes it do something extraordinary. Now you're looking for the secret... but you won't find it, because of course you're not really looking. You don't really want to know. You want to be fooled. But you wouldn't clap yet. Because making something disappear isn't enough; you have to bring it back. That's why every magic trick has a third act, the hardest part, the part we call "The Prestige"."
Good film btw if you not watched it..
12 September 2009, 03:55 PM
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What was the reason given for not putting the tickets on ? I assume he forgot, as it's a rollover tonight
So no-one in their "collective wisdom" managed to win
So no-one in their "collective wisdom" managed to win
12 September 2009, 09:07 PM
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I'll give the bloke credit where it's due - none of us are sure (and perhaps never will be sure) of how he managed to get those lottery numbers on those *****.
Still, I'm looking forward to next weeks stunt - better have some bog roll, fodder and beverages close to hand just in case I get "stuck" to my chair.
13 September 2009, 09:36 AM
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13 September 2009, 05:32 PM
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Looking at the facts :-
1) He couldn't have rigged the lottery, it would be a total disaster for Camelot, Parliamentary enquiries about the board of Channel 4, advertisers leaving by the second etc.......................
2) "Wisdom of crowds" - A smokescreen of bull. Its not a plausible explanation. But it gives you his "explanation" to add mystery.
The simple answer is that some kind of "time delay" took place between the lottery and the mechanism of "pre-presenting" his result in order to guarantee the correct answer. Its as simple as that.
Otherwise why wait? why not show your answers before the lottery was drawn?
If you have ever seen an episode of "Breaking the Magicians Code" then you know just how sad some the actual answers to these " illusions" are. Although I do like their use of the glamorous assistants
Stop wasting your lives asking how he did it and accept it was a crappy trick and move on
1) He couldn't have rigged the lottery, it would be a total disaster for Camelot, Parliamentary enquiries about the board of Channel 4, advertisers leaving by the second etc.......................
2) "Wisdom of crowds" - A smokescreen of bull. Its not a plausible explanation. But it gives you his "explanation" to add mystery.
The simple answer is that some kind of "time delay" took place between the lottery and the mechanism of "pre-presenting" his result in order to guarantee the correct answer. Its as simple as that.
Otherwise why wait? why not show your answers before the lottery was drawn?
If you have ever seen an episode of "Breaking the Magicians Code" then you know just how sad some the actual answers to these " illusions" are. Although I do like their use of the glamorous assistants
Stop wasting your lives asking how he did it and accept it was a crappy trick and move on
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15 September 2009, 10:41 AM
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Complete load of bollocks.
If he could predict the lottery, he would have quietly won ours, the irish, american and european lotteries then disappeared to some island and kept quiet about it, NOT put it on channel four!
Anyone who believes this should be sterilised so their dumb as **** offspring cannot pollute the world anymore with their low iq's!
I mean as if he can do that, come on ffs!!
If he could predict the lottery, he would have quietly won ours, the irish, american and european lotteries then disappeared to some island and kept quiet about it, NOT put it on channel four!
Anyone who believes this should be sterilised so their dumb as **** offspring cannot pollute the world anymore with their low iq's!
I mean as if he can do that, come on ffs!!
15 September 2009, 12:53 PM
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Complete load of bollocks.
If he could predict the lottery, he would have quietly won ours, the irish, american and european lotteries then disappeared to some island and kept quiet about it, NOT put it on channel four!
Anyone who believes this should be sterilised so their dumb as **** offspring cannot pollute the world anymore with their low iq's!
I mean as if he can do that, come on ffs!!
If he could predict the lottery, he would have quietly won ours, the irish, american and european lotteries then disappeared to some island and kept quiet about it, NOT put it on channel four!
Anyone who believes this should be sterilised so their dumb as **** offspring cannot pollute the world anymore with their low iq's!
I mean as if he can do that, come on ffs!!
16 September 2009, 01:46 PM
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His next trick is to stick people to their seats via the medium of TV ... the law of large numbers suggests that a few fools will stick to their seats at his suggestion & will probably ring in to say so, yet it all has to be put in perspective. He may "stick" one or two but so what when the watching numbers will be millions
TX.
His next trick is to stick people to their seats via the medium of TV ... the law of large numbers suggests that a few fools will stick to their seats at his suggestion & will probably ring in to say so, yet it all has to be put in perspective. He may "stick" one or two but so what when the watching numbers will be millions
TX.
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