Should someone die in just over 1 hours time?
13 March 2002, 08:27 PM
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Katana. What book did you take that from, or did you just make it up. If you did, well done you should feel proud. Not to worry if you place the word 'missguided' in place of the word 'wise' you are half way there.
13 March 2002, 08:36 PM
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Okay okay, I got that quote off of someone in another forum and used it as my sig in a current event forum. It seems to me that most (if not all) of the war that goes on today has something to do with an organized religion (be it Judism, Christianity, Islam). Don't get me wrong, though I do not believe in any organized religion, I do believe in god.
[Edited by Katana - 3/13/2002 8:37:13 PM]
[Edited by Katana - 3/13/2002 8:37:13 PM]
13 March 2002, 09:01 PM
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For all you guys who want evidence its gonna take alot of reading mind go to the link below: Dont forget even 2000 years ago people actually saw the amazing miricles that Jesus performed and they still refused to believe.
http://www.bibledesk.com/index.htm
Then take your pick.
Or go to Bible answers then go to recommended reading and choose, Proof the bible is true
http://www.bibledesk.com/index.htm
Then take your pick.
Or go to Bible answers then go to recommended reading and choose, Proof the bible is true
13 March 2002, 09:18 PM
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scrappydoo,
I take it you are trying to pull our legs with your religion bull****, right? I mean you are not srious about this, are you?
Some funny shït! LOL!
I take it you are trying to pull our legs with your religion bull****, right? I mean you are not srious about this, are you?
Some funny shït! LOL!
13 March 2002, 09:19 PM
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Scrappy
You have your beliefs and are very vociferous in defence of them. That is good and I am pleased for you.
Your posts however are calling people who disagree with your OPINION stupid. That is the attitude of a closed minded zealot and is one of the reasons I avoid organised religion. Lighten up.
You have your beliefs and are very vociferous in defence of them. That is good and I am pleased for you.
Your posts however are calling people who disagree with your OPINION stupid. That is the attitude of a closed minded zealot and is one of the reasons I avoid organised religion. Lighten up.
13 March 2002, 09:35 PM
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In fact, this is just like the Death penalty issue: it cannot be proved, nor disproved.
Let me add that in general you do not believe stuff that there is no proof for, so why would you believe the Jesus hype?
Let me add that in general you do not believe stuff that there is no proof for, so why would you believe the Jesus hype?
13 March 2002, 09:59 PM
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Claudius.
Not as funny as some as your comments you have made. You are an ill educated idiot.
Doc jock
I am very open minded, thats why i follow religion.You have to be. On the contrary you are a close minded zealot as you put it.
The evidence is there if you care to look at it. If not well its your fate not mine. Its up to you. Best of luck!! Case closed!!!! I cant be bothered anymore with your drivel.
As my mother puts it.
"You cant reason with unreasonable people"
she has never spoken a truer word
Not as funny as some as your comments you have made. You are an ill educated idiot.
Doc jock
I am very open minded, thats why i follow religion.You have to be. On the contrary you are a close minded zealot as you put it.
The evidence is there if you care to look at it. If not well its your fate not mine. Its up to you. Best of luck!! Case closed!!!! I cant be bothered anymore with your drivel.
As my mother puts it.
"You cant reason with unreasonable people"
she has never spoken a truer word
13 March 2002, 10:02 PM
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My point before though was that peopele are drawn in too easily to relgion because and it's sometimes drummed into them from an early age - what else do they know? You've seen those progams in America where people fall on the floor and are healed on the spot etc... It's embarrasing really. They'll beleive anything that's said - why? An example of blind faith: I saw a program not too long ago where a baby fell off a high ledge and was 'miraculously' unhurt. Now believe what you will why this was the case but I'll take the 'landed on nappy' explaination. The baby's mother was very religious so her explaination was that angels caught the baby and carried it down safely. Hmmm, try letting the baby crawl off the ledge again tomorrow and see what happens.... Nuff said. What would she say then 'it was God's wish' or something. Please.
13 March 2002, 10:14 PM
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crappydoo 
You said
"Claudius.
Not as funny as some as your comments you have made. You are an ill educated idiot."
Why dont you read that again and tell me who isnt educated?
Let's not talk about your mother, you wouldnt want me to...
You said
"Claudius.
Not as funny as some as your comments you have made. You are an ill educated idiot."
Why dont you read that again and tell me who isnt educated?
Let's not talk about your mother, you wouldnt want me to...
13 March 2002, 10:26 PM
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Carry on matey boy, talk about her. You think you are safe hiding behind a screen???? Dont ever insult my mother!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and dont let my kind words on the previous posts towards other people fool you into making decisions about me. If a person wants to find the wherabouts of another its quite easy, trust me. Your move chief!!
13 March 2002, 10:28 PM
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Scrappydoo I already mentioned earlier I respect your views but why do you show such little respect for other people's views. Trying to preach to non believers m8 is a waste of time, just like non blievers telling you its all b0ll0cks is a waste of time. Why can't you just let people on this bbs have their own opinions and respect them. For such a devout Christian you are extremely self righteous! We don't have to believe what you say is the truth, we make our own minds up m8. If we don't believe you that doesn't make us idiots i'm afraid. By being so rude about other people's beliefs you are setting a very bad example of what being a Christian is all about. If your attitude is typical of yours and other religions, is it a wonder there is so much war in this world all derived from religion!!! I rest my case.
13 March 2002, 10:35 PM
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People where asking for evidence and asking the questions so i tried to answer them. Some of the people on do not respect my views therefore i do not respect them. If you dont want to listen to me then fine, its all about freedom of speech. I do not try and force anything on here. Wot complete utter tosh!!!
13 March 2002, 10:37 PM
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Jesus!
I havent talked about your mother, I even said "lets not talk about your mother". Why do you bring her into your posts? Nobody here cares about the mother of such an immature person as yourself. Practice what you preach!
You talk about Jesus and then insult other members on this forum, are you sure you are what you pretend? I doubt it very much, and appearently I'm not the only one.
Let me tell you what you are: you are a fanatic, intolerant catholic or jew or something like that and you want to force other people to believe what you believe. Sorry, but this is the UK and we are allowed to say and believe whatever we want. And if we dont want to believe your shït, then we dont have to. Get that?
If I hit you one the one cheek (which I didnt), you should show me the other, not threaten me with finding out who I am and where I live.
I havent talked about your mother, I even said "lets not talk about your mother". Why do you bring her into your posts? Nobody here cares about the mother of such an immature person as yourself. Practice what you preach!
You talk about Jesus and then insult other members on this forum, are you sure you are what you pretend? I doubt it very much, and appearently I'm not the only one.
Let me tell you what you are: you are a fanatic, intolerant catholic or jew or something like that and you want to force other people to believe what you believe. Sorry, but this is the UK and we are allowed to say and believe whatever we want. And if we dont want to believe your shït, then we dont have to. Get that?
If I hit you one the one cheek (which I didnt), you should show me the other, not threaten me with finding out who I am and where I live.
13 March 2002, 10:47 PM
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Hey, this thread was a question about whether a man should die for his hideous crimes ................ I wasnt expecting it to degrade into a 'my gods better than your god'!!!
Come on, we all have our Gods, be they money, cars, Scoobynet!!, or a celestial belief
Lets get back on track and talk about whether we should have punishments to fit crimes. Surely if we have no right to kill, we also have no right to take someones freedom off them???
I propose that we have a point system for crimes - reach 20 and you are executed - lets work out what crimes would carry what points, heres my offering to kick things off:-
1. 1st Degree Murder = 20 points
2. Carrying a firearm = 5 - 10 points
3. Using a firearm with intent = 10 - 19 points
4. Rape = 18 - 20 points
5. Child abuse = 15 - 20 points (also to be castrated)
6. Car-jacking = 7 points for no violence - 11 points if violence
7. Burglary = 7 points
The ranges give leeway to the courts to allocated points on the case in question
What do you think?
Pete
Come on, we all have our Gods, be they money, cars, Scoobynet!!, or a celestial belief
Lets get back on track and talk about whether we should have punishments to fit crimes. Surely if we have no right to kill, we also have no right to take someones freedom off them???
I propose that we have a point system for crimes - reach 20 and you are executed - lets work out what crimes would carry what points, heres my offering to kick things off:-
1. 1st Degree Murder = 20 points
2. Carrying a firearm = 5 - 10 points
3. Using a firearm with intent = 10 - 19 points
4. Rape = 18 - 20 points
5. Child abuse = 15 - 20 points (also to be castrated)
6. Car-jacking = 7 points for no violence - 11 points if violence
7. Burglary = 7 points
The ranges give leeway to the courts to allocated points on the case in question
What do you think?
Pete
13 March 2002, 10:52 PM
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I've turned the other cheek now, by putting up with your abuse and your blasphemous remarks. My comments and reactions where to people who wanted to know things not to close minded blind people like yourself. Simple, if you dont like what i say or my beliefs then dont come on and abuse people with your feeble attempts/comments. I was perfectly nice, stating my comments/opinions in a perfectly reasonable way, then I'Claudius comes along talking £$%^%$£%$^*&&^%^%*%%$£"£$£^%$^%$^%^%!!! Grow up idiot!!!!! Go and play with your little toy.
13 March 2002, 10:59 PM
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pslewis - thats a good idea. what about 20 points for putting car park dents into someones car.
Leave the religion stuff out guys, it hasnt done much good for the Israelis/Palestinians.
DAve
Leave the religion stuff out guys, it hasnt done much good for the Israelis/Palestinians.
DAve
13 March 2002, 11:01 PM
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Just found this quote:-
"If we execute murderers and there is in fact no deterrent effect, we have killed a bunch of murderers. If we fail to execute murderers, and doing so would in fact have deterred other murders, we have allowed the killing of a bunch of innocent victims. I would much rather risk the former. This, to me, is not a tough call."
John McAdams - Marquette University/Department of Political Science, on deterrence.
Pete
"If we execute murderers and there is in fact no deterrent effect, we have killed a bunch of murderers. If we fail to execute murderers, and doing so would in fact have deterred other murders, we have allowed the killing of a bunch of innocent victims. I would much rather risk the former. This, to me, is not a tough call."
John McAdams - Marquette University/Department of Political Science, on deterrence.
Pete
13 March 2002, 11:14 PM
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Just had a thought:-
It was a death penalty that became the instrument God used to reconcile the world (the execution of Christ) to himself. And it was a death penalty that led a converted criminal to the paradise (the thief on the cross, Luke 23:32f). This tells us that God can use everything in this existence, evil as well as good, for his purpose. In the first case an innocent man was executed, but this did not stop God’s plan. On the contrary. It was all a part of God’s plan. In the other case it was a guilty man who was executed, but this did not hinder God’s plan either.
Interesting
Pete
It was a death penalty that became the instrument God used to reconcile the world (the execution of Christ) to himself. And it was a death penalty that led a converted criminal to the paradise (the thief on the cross, Luke 23:32f). This tells us that God can use everything in this existence, evil as well as good, for his purpose. In the first case an innocent man was executed, but this did not stop God’s plan. On the contrary. It was all a part of God’s plan. In the other case it was a guilty man who was executed, but this did not hinder God’s plan either.
Interesting
Pete
13 March 2002, 11:15 PM
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How about points for being totally rude and insensitive? Opps !! Sorry Claudius that would be you out and in the death chambers straight away then wouldnt it, and i wouldnt want that?? Forget that one. Lucky for you they have scrapped some laws which stood some years back. If they still stood today you would have been killed or executed for blasphemey.
13 March 2002, 11:16 PM
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Just had a thought:-
It was a death penalty that became the instrument God used to reconcile the world (the execution of Christ) to himself. And it was a death penalty that led a converted criminal to the paradise (the thief on the cross, Luke 23:32f). This tells us that God can use everything in this existence, evil as well as good, for his purpose. In the first case an innocent man was executed, but this did not stop God’s plan. On the contrary. It was all a part of God’s plan. In the other case it was a guilty man who was executed, but this did not hinder God’s plan either.
Interesting
Pete
It was a death penalty that became the instrument God used to reconcile the world (the execution of Christ) to himself. And it was a death penalty that led a converted criminal to the paradise (the thief on the cross, Luke 23:32f). This tells us that God can use everything in this existence, evil as well as good, for his purpose. In the first case an innocent man was executed, but this did not stop God’s plan. On the contrary. It was all a part of God’s plan. In the other case it was a guilty man who was executed, but this did not hinder God’s plan either.
Interesting
Pete
13 March 2002, 11:20 PM
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How about the Old Testament and the death penalty?
Crimes that deserved the death in the Old Testament
According to Numb 35:31 there are criminals which "deserves to die". In the Old Testament the following crimes deserved the death penalty:
1. Murder (Gen 9:6, Ex 21:12, Numb 35:16-21).
2. Abuse of father or mother (Ex 21:15).
3. Speaking a curse over parents (Ex 21:17).
4. Blasphemy against God (Lev 24:14-16,23).
5. Breaking the Sabbath (Ex 31:14, Numb 15:32-36).
6. Practicing magic (Ex 22:18).
7. Fortune telling and practicing sorcery (Lev 20:27).
8. Religious people who mislead others to fall away (Deut 13:1-5, 18:20).
9. Adultery and fornication (Lev 20:10-12, Deut 22:22).
10. If a woman has intercourse before marriage (Deut 22:20-21).
11. If two people have intercourse when one of them is engaged. (Deut 22:23-24).
12. The daughter of a priest practicing prostitution (Lev 21:9).
13. Rape of someone who is engaged (Deut 22:25).
14. Having intercourse with animals (Ex 22:19).
15. Worshipping idols (Ex 22:20, Lev 20:1-5, Deut 17:2-7).
16. Incest (Lev 20:11-12, 14, 19-21).
17. Homosexuality (Lev 20:13).
18. Kidnapping (Ex 21:16).
19. To bear false testimony at a trial (Deut 19:16, 19).
20. Contempt of court (Deut 17:8-13).
The manner of execution in the Old Testament could be stoning, burning, using a sword, spear or arrow (Lev 20:27, 21:9, Ex 19:13, 32:27, Numb 25:7-8).
Of course there is no one who claims that every age and every country has to introduce the death penalty for exactly the crimes that are described in these Biblical books written more than 3000 years ago. The most important and conclusive fact is that the Bible as a principle accepts the capital punishment as a legitimate form of punishment. The Bible gives "the divine sanctification" to the death penalty
I cant see 'Stealing a Subaru Impreza' in that list
Pete
See crime 6. wooohoooo the end of Paul Daniels
[Edited by pslewis - 3/13/2002 11:24:40 PM]
Crimes that deserved the death in the Old Testament
According to Numb 35:31 there are criminals which "deserves to die". In the Old Testament the following crimes deserved the death penalty:
1. Murder (Gen 9:6, Ex 21:12, Numb 35:16-21).
2. Abuse of father or mother (Ex 21:15).
3. Speaking a curse over parents (Ex 21:17).
4. Blasphemy against God (Lev 24:14-16,23).
5. Breaking the Sabbath (Ex 31:14, Numb 15:32-36).
6. Practicing magic (Ex 22:18).
7. Fortune telling and practicing sorcery (Lev 20:27).
8. Religious people who mislead others to fall away (Deut 13:1-5, 18:20).
9. Adultery and fornication (Lev 20:10-12, Deut 22:22).
10. If a woman has intercourse before marriage (Deut 22:20-21).
11. If two people have intercourse when one of them is engaged. (Deut 22:23-24).
12. The daughter of a priest practicing prostitution (Lev 21:9).
13. Rape of someone who is engaged (Deut 22:25).
14. Having intercourse with animals (Ex 22:19).
15. Worshipping idols (Ex 22:20, Lev 20:1-5, Deut 17:2-7).
16. Incest (Lev 20:11-12, 14, 19-21).
17. Homosexuality (Lev 20:13).
18. Kidnapping (Ex 21:16).
19. To bear false testimony at a trial (Deut 19:16, 19).
20. Contempt of court (Deut 17:8-13).
The manner of execution in the Old Testament could be stoning, burning, using a sword, spear or arrow (Lev 20:27, 21:9, Ex 19:13, 32:27, Numb 25:7-8).
Of course there is no one who claims that every age and every country has to introduce the death penalty for exactly the crimes that are described in these Biblical books written more than 3000 years ago. The most important and conclusive fact is that the Bible as a principle accepts the capital punishment as a legitimate form of punishment. The Bible gives "the divine sanctification" to the death penalty
I cant see 'Stealing a Subaru Impreza' in that list
Pete
See crime 6. wooohoooo the end of Paul Daniels
[Edited by pslewis - 3/13/2002 11:24:40 PM]