Gordon Brown's conference speech
30 September 2009, 01:50 PM
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You're right, Martin, in as much as nothing can be proved about what might or might not have been done by another administration. But i think the most disappointing thing to me, is that when Tony Blair came in on a fanfare of hope and expectation, the bald truth is that this Government have achieved precious little, right? I'm especially dismayed at the apparent total lack of control over immigration. Whether the Tories (not Tory's) would have done anything different it's hard to say, but i'd like to think Cameron has a more pragmatic approach rather than one based on his personality alone. Could be right, could be wrong. We'll have to wait till next May onwards to find out i guess...
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30 September 2009, 02:28 PM
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Les once more you allow your dislike of NL to cloud your opinions on everything. It's quite bizzare going on and on about how bad this government are and claiming how the Tory's are going to be a whole load better. They are almost DMA identical to one another in policy terms, or haven't you noticed that?
What exactly do you mean by 'engineeered the destruction of all this proud country once stood for'...do you even know, or this just a rant?
I'd love to know what you think would be different had the Tories been in power over the past 12 years, (btw didn't you notice that Her Majesty's Official Opposition have been utterly rejected at the past 3 elections)?
I too would prefer a different administration btw, it's definitely time for a fresh government, I hope they get the time and space to get things done before people start blaming them for everything, whoever it is they'll certainly get my support.
What exactly do you mean by 'engineeered the destruction of all this proud country once stood for'...do you even know, or this just a rant?
I'd love to know what you think would be different had the Tories been in power over the past 12 years, (btw didn't you notice that Her Majesty's Official Opposition have been utterly rejected at the past 3 elections)?
I too would prefer a different administration btw, it's definitely time for a fresh government, I hope they get the time and space to get things done before people start blaming them for everything, whoever it is they'll certainly get my support.
I have stated often enough that I am apolitical and the name of the political party is of no consequence, purely how they go about running the country is what matters to me.
Looking at our present situation, how well do you honestly think we have been administered over the last 12 years or so? Would you really trust them for another term? We have a broken administration and they are now resorting to promising initiatives which they should have put in place years ago purely in a vain attempt to court cheap popularity. We have seen also how all these promises hardly ever seem to come to anything.
No one expects perfection to be fair, but I can't seem to forget all those lies just for a start.
Les
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30 September 2009, 04:07 PM
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Other bits of bulls8t from the speech;
The idea to house single mothers in some sort of hostel instead of giving them council housing. This was first put forward by Tony Blair 5 years ago!
To stop 24 hour drinking where it has become a nuisance. Why start it in the first place?
Oh, and the ****** has cost me about £1k a year by abolishing the tax relief on child care vouchers. More stealth taxes to squeeze the life out of me.
Another quick point, the govt keeps saying that the Tory proposal to increase the inheritance tax threshold to £1 million will only benefit 3000 families in the UK. Is that true, do only 3000 familes in the UK have a house worth more than £1 million when they die?? Have I misunderstood something?
The idea to house single mothers in some sort of hostel instead of giving them council housing. This was first put forward by Tony Blair 5 years ago!
To stop 24 hour drinking where it has become a nuisance. Why start it in the first place?
Oh, and the ****** has cost me about £1k a year by abolishing the tax relief on child care vouchers. More stealth taxes to squeeze the life out of me.
Another quick point, the govt keeps saying that the Tory proposal to increase the inheritance tax threshold to £1 million will only benefit 3000 families in the UK. Is that true, do only 3000 familes in the UK have a house worth more than £1 million when they die?? Have I misunderstood something?
30 September 2009, 04:23 PM
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30 September 2009, 06:47 PM
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Gulags for Slags as some have christened them. http://order-order.com/2009/09/29/ex...aken-from-bnp/ and also the BNP ....
Another announcement today - from NHS Hospital Car Park Charges Axed For In-Patients, Health Secretary Burnham Tells Labour Conference | Politics | Sky News
"... Car park charges for hospital in-patients will be scrapped, the Health Secretary has announced at the Labour Party conference. The move will be phased in over the next three years ..."
3 years FFS! How long does it take for a hospital to order some tickets to give to in-patients? Heres a company that can supply them immediately - admittedly US but it was the first Google hit ... Event ticket printing - custom tickets - parking permit printing - Weldon Williams Lick
Usual Labour tactic - benefits are *phased in* over 1 to 3 years but withdrawn immediately!
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30 September 2009, 07:26 PM
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I really don't think you read my post very closely Martin and you have stated an assumption for a start.
I have stated often enough that I am apolitical and the name of the political party is of no consequence, purely how they go about running the country is what matters to me.
Looking at our present situation, how well do you honestly think we have been administered over the last 12 years or so? Would you really trust them for another term? We have a broken administration and they are now resorting to promising initiatives which they should have put in place years ago purely in a vain attempt to court cheap popularity. We have seen also how all these promises hardly ever seem to come to anything.
No one expects perfection to be fair, but I can't seem to forget all those lies just for a start.
Les
I have stated often enough that I am apolitical and the name of the political party is of no consequence, purely how they go about running the country is what matters to me.
Looking at our present situation, how well do you honestly think we have been administered over the last 12 years or so? Would you really trust them for another term? We have a broken administration and they are now resorting to promising initiatives which they should have put in place years ago purely in a vain attempt to court cheap popularity. We have seen also how all these promises hardly ever seem to come to anything.
No one expects perfection to be fair, but I can't seem to forget all those lies just for a start.
Les
You should be a poitician
30 September 2009, 07:37 PM
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But your opinions aren't biased in the slightest then are they ....?
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30 September 2009, 07:41 PM
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Ummm. Leslie is well able to defend himself but I'm failing to find his "hugely biased and political post". This thread will have comments that are political because that's the topic under discussion. Doh! As for being biased he just expressed his opinion. Opinions are just that - the thoughts of a person who has been "biased" by outside influences that lead to a "personal" conclusion.
But your opinions aren't biased in the slightest then are they ....?
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But your opinions aren't biased in the slightest then are they ....?
Dave
You are right my politics aren't based upon a slanted one-sided view of the world where everything one side says is good and the other bad. Where everything can be simplified down to the lowest common denominator and resolved simply with a few purile comments.
You know things just aint that simple
30 September 2009, 09:00 PM
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NL are far from perfect but they are due some credit (and I will personally never forgive them for Afghanistan or Iraq)
our children were being taught in Nissen huts, with outside toilets when NL came to power – the Infrastructure was derelict
Schools now, in the main, imo are fantastic
the NHS was chronically underfunded yes inevitably this ment little waste – but this is because there was no money to waste
NL were not the party to invent Quango’s or the cult of the management consultant, they came with the Tories
If anyone seriously believes that a couple of ex Eton & Bullingdon Club numbties are the answer
Then what a fvcking ridiculous question is all I can say
our children were being taught in Nissen huts, with outside toilets when NL came to power – the Infrastructure was derelict
Schools now, in the main, imo are fantastic
the NHS was chronically underfunded yes inevitably this ment little waste – but this is because there was no money to waste
NL were not the party to invent Quango’s or the cult of the management consultant, they came with the Tories
If anyone seriously believes that a couple of ex Eton & Bullingdon Club numbties are the answer
Then what a fvcking ridiculous question is all I can say
30 September 2009, 09:09 PM
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NL are far from perfect but they are due some credit (and I will personally never forgive them for Afghanistan or Iraq)
our children were being taught in Nissen huts, with outside toilets when NL came to power – the Infrastructure was derelict
Schools now, in the main, imo are fantastic
the NHS was chronically underfunded yes inevitably this ment little waste – but this is because there was no money to waste
NL were not the party to invent Quango’s or the cult of the management consultant, they came with the Tories
If anyone seriously believes that a couple of ex Eton & Bullingdon Club numbties are the answer
Then what a fvcking ridiculous question is all I can say
our children were being taught in Nissen huts, with outside toilets when NL came to power – the Infrastructure was derelict
Schools now, in the main, imo are fantastic
the NHS was chronically underfunded yes inevitably this ment little waste – but this is because there was no money to waste
NL were not the party to invent Quango’s or the cult of the management consultant, they came with the Tories
If anyone seriously believes that a couple of ex Eton & Bullingdon Club numbties are the answer
Then what a fvcking ridiculous question is all I can say
I was taught in an ex boys grammar school not some hut, and thankfully there was little money to waste as the tories had the sense not to deregulate banks freeing up all this false money.
30 September 2009, 09:23 PM
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and I don’t think it was Labour who let the banks of the leash
30 September 2009, 09:45 PM
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well time will tell KOT
coz I think i,ll be sh1tting creme eggs before NL get in next
so we will see what lord snooty comes up with -- but I wouldn't hold your breath (with any of them TBH)
coz I think i,ll be sh1tting creme eggs before NL get in next
so we will see what lord snooty comes up with -- but I wouldn't hold your breath (with any of them TBH)
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01 October 2009, 05:37 AM
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NL are far from perfect but they are due some credit (and I will personally never forgive them for Afghanistan or Iraq)
our children were being taught in Nissen huts, with outside toilets when NL came to power – the Infrastructure was derelict
Schools now, in the main, imo are fantastic
the NHS was chronically underfunded yes inevitably this ment little waste – but this is because there was no money to waste
NL were not the party to invent Quango’s or the cult of the management consultant, they came with the Tories
If anyone seriously believes that a couple of ex Eton & Bullingdon Club numbties are the answer
Then what a fvcking ridiculous question is all I can say
our children were being taught in Nissen huts, with outside toilets when NL came to power – the Infrastructure was derelict
Schools now, in the main, imo are fantastic
the NHS was chronically underfunded yes inevitably this ment little waste – but this is because there was no money to waste
NL were not the party to invent Quango’s or the cult of the management consultant, they came with the Tories
If anyone seriously believes that a couple of ex Eton & Bullingdon Club numbties are the answer
Then what a fvcking ridiculous question is all I can say
Do you really think that ' most schools are now fantastic'?
That's not my take. In London, it seems to me there are very few good schools. In many, english is not the first language of the majority, This is mainly due to the uncontrolled eastern european influx.
Obviously I have nothing personally against these immigrants but the teachers will spend so long trying to tackle these language problem that it distracts them from teaching.
The fact that we have record results is just a new lab fiddle, ie dumb down the exams. Employers organizations and University heads have been shouting for years that the exams have got easier, they have been on the whole ignored. New Labour didn't think it was fair that only clever kids did well at school, the solution? Give every div head 10,000 A*!!
Its also interesting that a lot of cabinet ministers send their children to fee paying schools.
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01 October 2009, 08:34 AM
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As per every other Labour government they have left us in the $hite - and each time they manage to make the $hite deeper.
Problem is there's nobody who can get us out it
Did anyone see the fat retard gayher going on about how marvellous Gogsie is the man to lead us out of that nasty "worlwide recession" created by "others" - what a ******* tard - these ******* really believe they've done nothing wrong.
Deluded socialist tards
Problem is there's nobody who can get us out it
Did anyone see the fat retard gayher going on about how marvellous Gogsie is the man to lead us out of that nasty "worlwide recession" created by "others" - what a ******* tard - these ******* really believe they've done nothing wrong.
Deluded socialist tards
01 October 2009, 08:36 AM
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off course its not perfect
but compared to the 80's and early 90's it is way better
the state of our schools infrastructure pre 1995 was a national disgrace
I was involved in the NGFL project -- (National Grid For Learning) a 50 billion IT programme to update all the UK's schools in the late 90's early 2000's
I spent 5 years on it and probably went to over 200 schools
I also went thru the educational establishment as a kid in the 70's and 80's
and I have 5 kids in state school at the moment
so my comments have not come out of thin air
but compared to the 80's and early 90's it is way better
the state of our schools infrastructure pre 1995 was a national disgrace
I was involved in the NGFL project -- (National Grid For Learning) a 50 billion IT programme to update all the UK's schools in the late 90's early 2000's
I spent 5 years on it and probably went to over 200 schools
I also went thru the educational establishment as a kid in the 70's and 80's
and I have 5 kids in state school at the moment
so my comments have not come out of thin air
01 October 2009, 08:38 AM
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off course its not perfect
but compared to the 80's and early 90's it is way better
the state of our schools infrastructure pre 1995 was a national disgrace
I was involved in the NGFL project -- (National Grid For Learning) a 50 billion IT programme to update all the UK's schools in the late 90's early 2000's
I spent 5 years on it and probably went to over 200 schools
I also went thru the educational establishment as a kid in the 70's and 80's
and I have 5 kids in state school at the moment
so my comments have not come out of thin air
but compared to the 80's and early 90's it is way better
the state of our schools infrastructure pre 1995 was a national disgrace
I was involved in the NGFL project -- (National Grid For Learning) a 50 billion IT programme to update all the UK's schools in the late 90's early 2000's
I spent 5 years on it and probably went to over 200 schools
I also went thru the educational establishment as a kid in the 70's and 80's
and I have 5 kids in state school at the moment
so my comments have not come out of thin air
01 October 2009, 10:28 AM
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Your post could have come straight from an modern politician who is scraping the barrel for a reply and can't manage to find anything significant to say. All he can do while in denial is to say the opposite of the truth in a desperate attempt to undermine some telling statement or other! We seem to see this sort of thing all the time these days Martin.
As far as your final remark goes, try being a little introspective!
Les
01 October 2009, 04:50 PM
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And it seems to me they are running this country.
So one might argue that they indeed are.
Their "investment" in the public sector over the last ten years would lead me to a similar point of view.
Their monopolistic view of how Health Services and Education should be provided in the name of "equality" for all seem a bit socialist to me as well.
Then again, maybe I am one of those to whom you refer.
Perhaps you can enlighten us as to the true meaning of socialism?
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01 October 2009, 05:20 PM
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Wikipedia - not authoritive, but a good start
Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with an egalitarian method of compensation
not sure reading that I would immediately think of UK plc
Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with an egalitarian method of compensation
not sure reading that I would immediately think of UK plc
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Wikipedia - not authoritive, but a good start
Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with an egalitarian method of compensation
not sure reading that I would immediately think of UK plc
Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with an egalitarian method of compensation
not sure reading that I would immediately think of UK plc
cster, does that sound like the UK or this government? It doesn't does it? I think they are a truly terrible governemnt, but tarring them with the socialist brush is not right and frankly unfair on socialism really.
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Your post could have come straight from an modern politician who is scraping the barrel for a reply and can't manage to find anything significant to say. All he can do while in denial is to say the opposite of the truth in a desperate attempt to undermine some telling statement or other! We seem to see this sort of thing all the time these days Martin.
As far as your final remark goes, try being a little introspective!
Les
As far as your final remark goes, try being a little introspective!
Les
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Wikipedia - not authoritive, but a good start
Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with an egalitarian method of compensation
not sure reading that I would immediately think of UK plc
Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with an egalitarian method of compensation
not sure reading that I would immediately think of UK plc
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Well it appears to me that we live in a socialist country.
And it seems to me they are running this country.
So one might argue that they indeed are.
Their "investment" in the public sector over the last ten years would lead me to a similar point of view.
Their monopolistic view of how Health Services and Education should be provided in the name of "equality" for all seem a bit socialist to me as well.
Then again, maybe I am one of those to whom you refer.
Perhaps you can enlighten us as to the true meaning of socialism?
And it seems to me they are running this country.
So one might argue that they indeed are.
Their "investment" in the public sector over the last ten years would lead me to a similar point of view.
Their monopolistic view of how Health Services and Education should be provided in the name of "equality" for all seem a bit socialist to me as well.
Then again, maybe I am one of those to whom you refer.
Perhaps you can enlighten us as to the true meaning of socialism?
This guy clear has absolutely no idea as to what socialism is, and because of his own political blindness seeks to justify his position but falsely accusing others of what he wants them to be rather than what they actually are
The stupidity of this is of course that if NL socialist then so is David Cameron given he is pretty much committed to everything the government is.