Gordon Brown's conference speech
01 October 2009, 07:55 PM
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I did seee Brown on the news last night get the ar$e with the sky reporter and storm off in what can best be described as a huff.
Interesting the Sun is behind the Conservatives, the Sun not known for setting opinions more for following them, Brown knows the writing is on the wall for him and his cronies.
As for the Labour die hard tearing up a copy of the Sun and the Sun newspapers being removed from the conference hotels and venue - how childish and how NL
Mandy seemed rather out of sorts and caught off balance when asked about his alleged use of the c word in a phone call to the Sun's CEO and claimed he said ''chumps - yes, i bet!
Interesting the Sun is behind the Conservatives, the Sun not known for setting opinions more for following them, Brown knows the writing is on the wall for him and his cronies.
As for the Labour die hard tearing up a copy of the Sun and the Sun newspapers being removed from the conference hotels and venue - how childish and how NL
Mandy seemed rather out of sorts and caught off balance when asked about his alleged use of the c word in a phone call to the Sun's CEO and claimed he said ''chumps - yes, i bet!
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01 October 2009, 07:58 PM
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unless your are using the introduction of the minimun wage as the hook with which to hang the socialist tag
01 October 2009, 09:28 PM
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Wikipedia - not authoritive, but a good start
Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with an egalitarian method of compensation
not sure reading that I would immediately think of UK plc
Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with an egalitarian method of compensation
not sure reading that I would immediately think of UK plc
On the other hand we have the City which is Capitalism at it swimming with sharks best. The means of production are generally in private hands with the government input generally being limited to the introduction of red tape and taxes.
I think it fair to say UK plc is a strange chimera of both and all in between.
It is a matter of opinion and point of view as to whether UK is socialist or indeed whether this is a good or bad thing.
As far as the members of the present government are concerned, I think it would be pretty fair to say they were generally a bit more to the (far) left in their youth, than they are now. You may conclude from that, what you will, about the nature of Socialism.
01 October 2009, 11:15 PM
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Well using the examples of the NHS and the Education system, I would beg to differ. Looking at the definition provided, you could maybe throw the BBC into that mix. Obviously the direct worker ownership aspect is looked after on our behalf by our "two legs better" comrades.
On the other hand we have the City which is Capitalism at it swimming with sharks best. The means of production are generally in private hands with the government input generally being limited to the introduction of red tape and taxes.
I think it fair to say UK plc is a strange chimera of both and all in between.
It is a matter of opinion and point of view as to whether UK is socialist or indeed whether this is a good or bad thing.
As far as the members of the present government are concerned, I think it would be pretty fair to say they were generally a bit more to the (far) left in their youth, than they are now. You may conclude from that, what you will, about the nature of Socialism.
On the other hand we have the City which is Capitalism at it swimming with sharks best. The means of production are generally in private hands with the government input generally being limited to the introduction of red tape and taxes.
I think it fair to say UK plc is a strange chimera of both and all in between.
It is a matter of opinion and point of view as to whether UK is socialist or indeed whether this is a good or bad thing.
As far as the members of the present government are concerned, I think it would be pretty fair to say they were generally a bit more to the (far) left in their youth, than they are now. You may conclude from that, what you will, about the nature of Socialism.
Ergo they are not socialists!
02 October 2009, 12:34 AM
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02 October 2009, 09:23 AM
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The NHS is being privatised by the back door. Education is no more or less state run than it was when they took power. Privatisation which this government is a champion of is directly the opposite of socialism. Show me one thing that in the last twleve years they have nationalised. Hint there isn't anything.
Ergo they are not socialists!
Ergo they are not socialists!
NHS privatised by the back door - sorry, but that is laughable. They wouldn't know how.
This government is a champion of privatisation? - show me one thing in the last twelve years they have privatised.
I would say, that in the last twelve months, they seem to have done a reasonable job of nationalising a few banks
The rest of what you have to say, I agree with
02 October 2009, 10:01 AM
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National Air Traffic service
Qinetiq
are two of the top of my head
they only re-nationalised Railtrack as a last resort because in private hands it had become a laughing stock
Qinetiq
are two of the top of my head
they only re-nationalised Railtrack as a last resort because in private hands it had become a laughing stock
02 October 2009, 10:15 AM
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It would be difficult to make the education system more state run.
NHS privatised by the back door - sorry, but that is laughable. They wouldn't know how.
This government is a champion of privatisation? - show me one thing in the last twelve years they have privatised.
I would say, that in the last twelve months, they seem to have done a reasonable job of nationalising a few banks
The rest of what you have to say, I agree with
NHS privatised by the back door - sorry, but that is laughable. They wouldn't know how.
This government is a champion of privatisation? - show me one thing in the last twelve years they have privatised.
I would say, that in the last twelve months, they seem to have done a reasonable job of nationalising a few banks
The rest of what you have to say, I agree with
Notice a certain row lately about Post Office privatisation? yes that's right our friends the evil 'socialists' are now trying privatise this national institution? They really are cunning these socialist aren't they, hiding their real socialist motives behind a string of privatisations
02 October 2009, 10:29 AM
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You know the ones singing songs, waving flags and feeding the egos of the fat cat leadership
02 October 2009, 12:28 PM
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Abolish all public schools? Ta da.
Er, take a wander around the NHS Trusts in your area and see how many private companies are doing the things that used to be under the direct wing of the NHS and that is before we get onto the blurring of private and public front line healthcare.
Er, take a wander around the NHS Trusts in your area and see how many private companies are doing the things that used to be under the direct wing of the NHS and that is before we get onto the blurring of private and public front line healthcare.
02 October 2009, 04:12 PM
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Abolish all public schools? Ta da.
Er, take a wander around the NHS Trusts in your area and see how many private companies are doing the things that used to be under the direct wing of the NHS and that is before we get onto the blurring of private and public front line healthcare.
Er, take a wander around the NHS Trusts in your area and see how many private companies are doing the things that used to be under the direct wing of the NHS and that is before we get onto the blurring of private and public front line healthcare.
As for the NHS, I liase with my local PCT on a pretty much day by day basis. Apart from things like changing light bulbs, cleaning and so on, I would have to say , I don't really know where you are coming from on this.
TBH, I am not against the NHS per se.
When dealing with matters of life and death, let's face it, the Medical proffession has us by the *****. £50k for that life saving op? Why not.
I wish I had an NHS vet
It just sticks in my craw a bit when Brown and Co. shouted down proposals to make private health contributions tax deductable on the grounds that the exchequer would lose money. Saving 40p to spend a pound on health care is going to cost the exchequer? Brown is indeed an economic genius!
I understand that there is a lot of vested interest in the NHS at many levels.
However, I don't think it is so **** that it can't stand a bit of competition from the private sector.
Our betters beg to differ.
This to me, seems a bit socialist.
02 October 2009, 04:59 PM
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