V5RLTD

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Doesnt the v6 type r have a longer 5th gear than previous models?

Fat Boy

Not a wuss at all my friend - the eibach springs selected by prodrive are much better over bumpy english b roads than the type r oems as japanese tarmac is MUCH smoother than ours in my experience, so where the type R driver would be backing off to stay on the road the p1 will still be hanging on. Track tarmac being much smoother suits type r set up better.

Me - i run a P1 with Exe tc coilovers, 6 speed dccd, the R180 plated rear diff / two pots and an RCM engine so I kind of occupy the middle ground. The rcm engine makes the Spec C ratios feel like a close ratio box

SkullFudge

P1 gets my vote

V5RLTD

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Your car would get the vote over most though to be fair!

Jay_bee

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Twas a jest

Sounds like you got a great setup, although I think its fair to say... a lot more focused than the standard P1 set up, some would say more akin to the Type R set up

Mine had Apexi N1 coilovers plus a load of other suspension mods done in Japan

Also, there is the slight issue of P1 owners saying "go for the P1", just as us Type R owners (or ex-owner in my case) are saying "go for the Type R"... In otherwords... biased as hell

All good stuff though

(and to really sit on the fence, either car will be a fantastic purchase as both are excellent cars)

TonyBurns

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Thats what the DCCD is there for you need to play with it a little more

Tony

myblackwrx

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indeed although it can be seen as a gimmick,i've actually started using it for the quick cornering/roundabout malarkey and i'm atually impressed that you can feel the difference it makes to the speed you can go (legally) round corners/roundabouts.
I don't seem to get oversteer (yet) perhaps i'm not pushing it hard enough?

i'm a novice to the Type R though as i've only owned it for a couple of weeks

SkullFudge

Now the poor guy is totally confused bless him.

P1 & Type R are both good fun.

I know where there is a white "left hooker" new age that is for sale (are rather quick)

DRT

Thank you so much.

I like exterior the P1, but mechanically I like more Type R.
The Impreza´s P1, Type R´s have front Torsen differential?

Jay_bee

iTrader: (1)

....and we all chant "Type R, Type R, Type R..."
(apart from the P1 owners)

Once you've got the hang of the DCCD and what you can achieve with it, the handling is amazing, you can (and I'm only going off what mine was like) almost completely eradicate understeer and have a little planned oversteer if you want it (and unplanned if you dont know what you're doing)

I wish I still had mine.

TonyBurns

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Im the same, after having the spec c, the auto function was very interesting to drive and you put your soul in the hands of that car (and it did an excellent job, better than the type R in fact ) damn I miss that car and its just been sold but pretty much always use the dccd in the type r now, forward coming up to roundabouts and pull it back when on the straights

Tony

myblackwrx

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I only know the Type R has an Open front diff

@Tony i think you must need to REALLY push the Type R to get oversteer,i don't even get understeer (once again perhaps not pushing hard enough) not that i want to

Fat Boy

I know twas a jest

I think of my set up as beyond Type R actually, given that Exe tc is way better than oem and I have all the other important bits from a type r that they didn't put on to the p1- electric mirrors are just unnecessary weight as far as I'm concerned and climate control means nowt to me.

Turbovin

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I only feel the need to change the settings in the wet Or when driving really hard on a autocross track.

If you don't get your Type R to oversteer then the rear R180 diff must be worn like mine is at the moment Now it's an understeered pig even with the DCCD all the way back

TonyBurns

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Its meant to understeer when its all the way back on the green you move it forward to reduce the understeer have a look in the tech section archive for how to use it and I use it both in the wet and dry

Tony

PS what tyres do you have on your car? with 29k on mine she doesnt oversteer

Jay_bee

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Totally agree with that.
In terms what it means to the OP, you've got a
P1 that is more Type R like (and beyond) in its handling than a P1

(and the elec folding mirrors are worth at least another 5bhp )

TonyBurns

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Oh thats a cat out of the bag Jay Bee
I think the P1 handles well, the type R is more.... on the edge but more adjustable due to the dccd, best way to put it (even better with the quick rack also ) shame it only came on the limiteds

Tony

Jay_bee

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Ah, but under the 'gentlemans agreement' in Japan, it probably equates to more... *whispers*...like an extra 10 - 15bhp but dont tell anyone...



Regarding the quick rack, I've only one thing to say on that....

....should have gone to spec savers...

Oops, wrong thing, I meant... should have got a Type R Ltd

TonyBurns

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Would have but she was too much of a bargain will just have to find a 2nd hand or new one (not cheap ) and get it fitted the steering feel lacks a little

Tony

Jay_bee

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Judging by the number of owners that seem incapable of keeping them on the black stuff (usually newbies), I'd have thought Grade A / Scooby Teknix would do a roaring trade in them

TonyBurns

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Tony

Turbovin

iTrader: (2)

How can locking the DCCD reduce understeer as it fully locked locks the center diff and gives you about 50/50 distribution between front and rear axle? While being fully open/Green gives an open center diff with 64/36 rear/front distribution?

http://www.btinternet.com/~john.fels...ffenglish2.jpg

Compare these two vids

First one with the DCCD on 0%, fully open/Green

YouTube - Subaru DCCD 0% Drift

And then here's another vid with the DCCD on 40%
YouTube - Subaru DCCD 40% Drift

You can clearly see that more power goes to the front wheels in the second vid with the DCCD winded up to 40% making it more neutral.


Also check out this vid in japanese (with a distribution chart in English) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHZSgXXC2x8

I have tested the DCCD function quite a lot on a airfield and also on snow.

At the moment I'm using Falken FK452:s.

Matt78

P1. The look of it, it looks that much more modern and finished. Stunning colour too.

Matt78

Skullfudge, please stop parading your car around, it only pisses me off when I see it!! I get more jealous everytime...

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Ok your confusing yourself
I said moving it forward reduces understeer, ie moving the dccd towards the front of the car (forwards) so going up the greens and into the oranges (plus I dont use lock on the road )

Moving it backwards (all the way into the last green) gives you more understeer, so to make it more neutral you move it forwards into the orange makes sense now?

Tony

MK2VTR8VALVE

That's one seriuosly tidy looking motor
Would love to know the spec on her Skullfudge

Matt78

You don't want to know mate!

Jay_bee

iTrader: (1)

Are you sure he doesnt want to know

MK2VTR8VALVE

It must be impressive then!!

Go on shock me lol

Turbovin

iTrader: (2)

Maybe there are some language issues because I'm from Sweden but I still don't agree with you and I would say it's the exact opposite.

In MY car anyway ORANGE/full lock equals 50/50 distribution and a fully locked center diff. The car is not so pleasant to turn in low speed because of the center diff not allowing differences in speed between front and rear axles.

Green/fully open 36/64 standard mode. Car is definitely oversteered and center diff is fully open.

I still don't get how you can say that you get more understeer by turning the DCCD to green and therefore giving MORE power to the rear wheels?

Sounds to me like you have mixed up understeer and oversteer.