You can blame anything on Global Warming now....
20 October 2009, 11:38 AM
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See the link below for the Met Office basically admitting they got it wrong about Arctic sea ice disappearing due to Global Warming.
Met Office: The decline in Arctic summer sea ice
Met Office: The decline in Arctic summer sea ice
21 October 2009, 03:40 PM
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More here on complaints about the ad. ... ASA to probe drowning dog climate ad ? The Register
"... The Advertising Standards Authority will investigate the Government's £6m TV spine-tingler designed to change our behaviour. 357 complaints have been made to the ASA, a self-regulatory body ..."
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"... The Advertising Standards Authority will investigate the Government's £6m TV spine-tingler designed to change our behaviour. 357 complaints have been made to the ASA, a self-regulatory body ..."
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27 October 2009, 12:47 PM
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Just had an email letter from the ASA. Contents are:
"Dear Sir/Madam,
YOUR COMPLAINT: ACT ON CO2 TV AND PRESS ADS
We have considered your complaint and will take it up with the advertisers, the Department for Energy and Climate Change.
We intend to deal with your complaint under our formal investigations procedure, which means that we will ask Clearcast (the Broadcast Advertising Clearance Centre) and the Department for Energy and Climate Change to comment on the complaint and send evidence to support the claims. We will then refer your complaint to the ASA Council for adjudication. Once the Council has made a decision, the adjudication will be published on our website.
We have received complaints about advertising in the campaign that covers both broadcast and non-broadcast media. The different media are considered by separate Councils, but all the ads will be investigated together. This means that the investigation may take a little longer than usual but ensures that the decisions reflect all the available information and are appropriate to the media.
We will be investigating the following points (please note the order differs slightly from the list posted on our website last week) -
Complainants objected to the TV ad because they believed:
1. the ad was political in nature and should not be broadcast;
2. the theme and content of the ad, for example the dog drowning in the storybook and the depiction of the young girl to whom the story was being read, could be distressing for children who saw it;
3. the ad should not have been shown when children were likely to be watching television;
4. the ad was misleading because it presented human induced climate change as a fact, when there was a significant division amongst the scientific community on that point;
5. the claim “over 40% of the CO2 was coming from ordinary everyday things” was misleading;
6. the representation of CO2 as a rising cloud of black smog was misleading;
7. the claims about the possible advent of strange weather and flooding, and associated imagery in the ad, in the UK were exaggerated, distressing and misleading;
Some complainants objected to the press ad on the grounds of (4) and (7) above and we will also be investigating those complaints.
Points (1) and (4) in relation to the TV ad may be subject to Section 4 of the CAP (Broadcast) TV Advertising Standards Code, which is administered by Ofcom. We will therefore be referring to Ofcom objections to the TV campaign raised in respect of “political” objectives. Ofcom will in due course be publishing a Finding of its determination. When both bodies have concluded their investigations we plan to notify complainants of both our and Ofcom’s decisions, and we will write to you again at that point.
Please treat all correspondence as confidential until such time as a decision is published on our website.
Due to the postal strike and the particularly large volume of complaints received, we regret that we have been unable to send personally addressed correspondence on this occasion.
Yours sincerely
etc etc "
They don't give a time-scale though it's a start .....
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"Dear Sir/Madam,
YOUR COMPLAINT: ACT ON CO2 TV AND PRESS ADS
We have considered your complaint and will take it up with the advertisers, the Department for Energy and Climate Change.
We intend to deal with your complaint under our formal investigations procedure, which means that we will ask Clearcast (the Broadcast Advertising Clearance Centre) and the Department for Energy and Climate Change to comment on the complaint and send evidence to support the claims. We will then refer your complaint to the ASA Council for adjudication. Once the Council has made a decision, the adjudication will be published on our website.
We have received complaints about advertising in the campaign that covers both broadcast and non-broadcast media. The different media are considered by separate Councils, but all the ads will be investigated together. This means that the investigation may take a little longer than usual but ensures that the decisions reflect all the available information and are appropriate to the media.
We will be investigating the following points (please note the order differs slightly from the list posted on our website last week) -
Complainants objected to the TV ad because they believed:
1. the ad was political in nature and should not be broadcast;
2. the theme and content of the ad, for example the dog drowning in the storybook and the depiction of the young girl to whom the story was being read, could be distressing for children who saw it;
3. the ad should not have been shown when children were likely to be watching television;
4. the ad was misleading because it presented human induced climate change as a fact, when there was a significant division amongst the scientific community on that point;
5. the claim “over 40% of the CO2 was coming from ordinary everyday things” was misleading;
6. the representation of CO2 as a rising cloud of black smog was misleading;
7. the claims about the possible advent of strange weather and flooding, and associated imagery in the ad, in the UK were exaggerated, distressing and misleading;
Some complainants objected to the press ad on the grounds of (4) and (7) above and we will also be investigating those complaints.
Points (1) and (4) in relation to the TV ad may be subject to Section 4 of the CAP (Broadcast) TV Advertising Standards Code, which is administered by Ofcom. We will therefore be referring to Ofcom objections to the TV campaign raised in respect of “political” objectives. Ofcom will in due course be publishing a Finding of its determination. When both bodies have concluded their investigations we plan to notify complainants of both our and Ofcom’s decisions, and we will write to you again at that point.
Please treat all correspondence as confidential until such time as a decision is published on our website.
Due to the postal strike and the particularly large volume of complaints received, we regret that we have been unable to send personally addressed correspondence on this occasion.
Yours sincerely
etc etc "
They don't give a time-scale though it's a start .....
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27 October 2009, 03:56 PM
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Here's the latest loony global warming story.....
BBC NEWS | World | Asia-Pacific | Australia coastal living at risk
BBC NEWS | World | Asia-Pacific | Australia coastal living at risk
27 October 2009, 04:00 PM
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We're on track for one of the warmest Octobers on record 
Seventy degrees in London on Thursday.
But don't worry, that's just irrelevant nonsense
Seventy degrees in London on Thursday.
But don't worry, that's just irrelevant nonsense
27 October 2009, 04:38 PM
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It's probably best to study the facts from the last 14 years, rather than just the fact that October's been mild!http://flowingdata.com/wp-content/up...rt-545x409.jpg
Just checkout that correlation between co2 and temperature, irrefutable!
27 October 2009, 04:53 PM
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Oh dear, I don't think they measure the CO2 just above Hawaii and then assume the rest of the world is the same!
Plus if you notice the temperature is from the University of East Anglia and is the data used by your beloved IPCC.
Why don't you check out the increase in storm activity in the US since 1946, to see if you can spot any trends there?
http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/hurr_wpac_nov.gif
Plus if you notice the temperature is from the University of East Anglia and is the data used by your beloved IPCC.
Why don't you check out the increase in storm activity in the US since 1946, to see if you can spot any trends there?
http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/hurr_wpac_nov.gif
27 October 2009, 05:00 PM
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Paul, there is simply no point going over old ground now, is there? You know **** all about it in the same way i know **** all about it. We just come to different conclusions given what we choose to believe. 
27 October 2009, 05:50 PM
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I'll keep going on about it until people listen thanks. I don't think it will be too much longer, less and less people are blindly following the warming alarmists now. All the surveys indicate more and more people are sceptical and scientific opinion is collapsing rapidly as the earth cools.
It's quite funny really.
It's quite funny really.
27 October 2009, 06:01 PM
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We are quite capable of looking at *facts* and making our own minds up, which is why some of us *choose* to believe something!Dave
27 October 2009, 06:06 PM
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Well maybe you or Paul can post up the 'fact' that backs up the amazing claim that 'the Earth is getting cooler'?
27 October 2009, 06:28 PM
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Martin,
Even the BBC has now published an article showing that the Earth has not had a temperature rise since 1998.
The climate alarmists are now saying we can expect 10-20 years of cooling, and that the models show this can happen (funny how previous models didn't, but why let that get in the way? Just make a new model to fit the data!)
In all this time, it is not disputed that CO2 levels have risen steadily, and according to the IPCC, temps should rise accordingly.
Please show a 'fact' that any of the IPCC projections have (or are likely to) come true. Changing your models is a cheap trick.....
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Even the BBC has now published an article showing that the Earth has not had a temperature rise since 1998.
The climate alarmists are now saying we can expect 10-20 years of cooling, and that the models show this can happen (funny how previous models didn't, but why let that get in the way? Just make a new model to fit the data!)
In all this time, it is not disputed that CO2 levels have risen steadily, and according to the IPCC, temps should rise accordingly.
Please show a 'fact' that any of the IPCC projections have (or are likely to) come true. Changing your models is a cheap trick.....
Geezer
27 October 2009, 06:37 PM
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Martin,
Even the BBC has now published an article showing that the Earth has not had a temperature rise since 1998.
The climate alarmists are now saying we can expect 10-20 years of cooling, and that the models show this can happen (funny how previous models didn't, but why let that get in the way? Just make a new model to fit the data!)
In all this time, it is not disputed that CO2 levels have risen steadily, and according to the IPCC, temps should rise accordingly.
Please show a 'fact' that any of the IPCC projections have (or are likely to) come true. Changing your models is a cheap trick.....
Geezer
Even the BBC has now published an article showing that the Earth has not had a temperature rise since 1998.
The climate alarmists are now saying we can expect 10-20 years of cooling, and that the models show this can happen (funny how previous models didn't, but why let that get in the way? Just make a new model to fit the data!)
In all this time, it is not disputed that CO2 levels have risen steadily, and according to the IPCC, temps should rise accordingly.
Please show a 'fact' that any of the IPCC projections have (or are likely to) come true. Changing your models is a cheap trick.....
Geezer
So we should be asking why is the trend slowing instead of why has global warming stopped. That could be to do with solar activity, as already discussed on the thread, beyond that who knows????
27 October 2009, 06:42 PM
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I can't be ar5ed to quote from it so feel free to read at your leisure. And there is a great thing on the interweb called a 'Search Engine', Google is a good one to start with. You'll be able to use it to find lots of links that will back the assertion that the earth is indeed cooling.
Enjoy!
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27 October 2009, 06:50 PM
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Go read JunkScience.com -- Steven Milloy, Publisher It has lots of links that may well *inform* you .....
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27 October 2009, 06:57 PM
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Here you go Martin, as you asked so nicely ... BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | What happened to global warming?
I can't be ar5ed to quote from it so feel free to read at your leisure. And there is a great thing on the interweb called a 'Search Engine', Google is a good one to start with. You'll be able to use it to find lots of links that will back the assertion that the earth is indeed cooling.
Enjoy!
Dave
I can't be ar5ed to quote from it so feel free to read at your leisure. And there is a great thing on the interweb called a 'Search Engine', Google is a good one to start with. You'll be able to use it to find lots of links that will back the assertion that the earth is indeed cooling.
Enjoy!
Dave
I thought I'd post up something far more balanced. I could of course post up hundreds of GW theory supporting articles but unlike you I'm interested in the truth, not some wierdo right wing agendaDrop in world temperatures fuels global warming debate | McClatchy
27 October 2009, 07:37 PM
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Well rather than posting up a oneside agenda ridden piece, which is of course your trick I thought I'd post up something far more balanced. I could of course post up hundreds of GW theory supporting articles but unlike you I'm interested in the truth, not some wierdo right wing agenda
Drop in world temperatures fuels global warming debate | McClatchy
I thought I'd post up something far more balanced. I could of course post up hundreds of GW theory supporting articles but unlike you I'm interested in the truth, not some wierdo right wing agendaDrop in world temperatures fuels global warming debate | McClatchy
You obviously cannot read anything and extract the facts from it and draw your own conclusions as to their validity.
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27 October 2009, 08:19 PM
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Not really, Vessels that size displace quite a heavy volume of water, if you consider how many vessels that size their are around the world your talking about quite heavy volume of displacement overall, that water needs to go somewhere
27 October 2009, 10:01 PM
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Go read THE SUN DEFINES THE CLIMATE at http://www.gao.spb.ru/english/astrom...s_nkj_2009.pdf
Les - I know you'll be interested as it's a lot to do with sun spots.
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Les - I know you'll be interested as it's a lot to do with sun spots.
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27 October 2009, 10:05 PM
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Ahhhhh. They're cute. Look at these .... http://hydrogencommerce.com/images/polar_bears480.jpg Took them ages to sculpt that ice floe ....
Maybe they're trapped because *Global Warming* has melted all the ice? Oh, hang on. Maybe it's just summer and the ice has melted? Or maybe they're just out for a swim ... POLAR BEARS
"... Polar bears are strong swimmers; they swim across bays or wide leads without hesitation. They can swim for several hours at a time over long distances. They've been tracked swimming continuously for 100 km (62 mi.) (Stirling, 1988) ...". Over 60 miles!!! I've just got up to 50 lengths at the local pool ....
And which ones should I tell? There's 1000's of the beggers! AEI - Is the Polar Bear Endangered, or Just Conveniently Charismatic?
".... is that there are about twenty thousand to twenty-five thousand polar bears worldwide. The bears are spread out around the Arctic in nineteen separate subpopulations that researchers think are largely autonomous (noninterbreeding). The groups range in size from small groups of several hundred bears to a few larger groups of several thousand ...... At present, polar bear populations are robust and, according to native people, are considerably larger than they were in previous decades.[29] Predictions of polar bear endangerment are based on two sets of computer models: one set predicts how much Arctic sea ice will melt as a result of global warming, and the other predicts how polar bear populations will respond. But computer models of climate are known to be fraught with problems, and the ecological models used to predict polar bear response are equally limited .... "
They are cute, though I wouldn't want to get too near one ...
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Maybe they're trapped because *Global Warming* has melted all the ice? Oh, hang on. Maybe it's just summer and the ice has melted? Or maybe they're just out for a swim ... POLAR BEARS
"... Polar bears are strong swimmers; they swim across bays or wide leads without hesitation. They can swim for several hours at a time over long distances. They've been tracked swimming continuously for 100 km (62 mi.) (Stirling, 1988) ...". Over 60 miles!!! I've just got up to 50 lengths at the local pool ....
And which ones should I tell? There's 1000's of the beggers! AEI - Is the Polar Bear Endangered, or Just Conveniently Charismatic?
".... is that there are about twenty thousand to twenty-five thousand polar bears worldwide. The bears are spread out around the Arctic in nineteen separate subpopulations that researchers think are largely autonomous (noninterbreeding). The groups range in size from small groups of several hundred bears to a few larger groups of several thousand ...... At present, polar bear populations are robust and, according to native people, are considerably larger than they were in previous decades.[29] Predictions of polar bear endangerment are based on two sets of computer models: one set predicts how much Arctic sea ice will melt as a result of global warming, and the other predicts how polar bear populations will respond. But computer models of climate are known to be fraught with problems, and the ecological models used to predict polar bear response are equally limited .... "
They are cute, though I wouldn't want to get too near one ...
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27 October 2009, 11:35 PM
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You're right, Dave. Why did i even think to question it? 
That David Attenbrough is a **** - what does he know anyway? I'm going to burn a tyre now in defiance 
Dave, you're better than that. Aren't you??? Jesus.
That David Attenbrough is a **** - what does he know anyway? I'm going to burn a tyre now in defiance Dave, you're better than that. Aren't you??? Jesus.
28 October 2009, 07:02 AM
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There was a time when millions believed the consenus at the time, The Chruch, that the Earth was at the centre of the Universe.
There was a time when people believed you could not travel, in a machine, faster than walking pace.
There was a time when people believed humans could not survive a trip into space.
And the list goes on...
Fact is, there is no AGW. There is no significant upward/downward trend that is nothing more than normal variability, and the "human" component cannot be distinguished form variable noise.
Al Gore was factually wrong. Hansen was factually wrong. Briffa used a 12 tree ring dataset, and only 1 tree from that dataset, to come up with the infamous "hockey stick" graph the IPCC uses.
The IPCC are trying to erase the MWP, the Roman Warm Period and the LIA.
Why would these politically motivated organisations and publically paid "scientists" alter/massage data to fit CGM's and then loose the original datasets? Why do they feel the need to hide data?
Stinks of a Govn't scam to me.
There was a time when people believed you could not travel, in a machine, faster than walking pace.
There was a time when people believed humans could not survive a trip into space.
And the list goes on...
Fact is, there is no AGW. There is no significant upward/downward trend that is nothing more than normal variability, and the "human" component cannot be distinguished form variable noise.
Al Gore was factually wrong. Hansen was factually wrong. Briffa used a 12 tree ring dataset, and only 1 tree from that dataset, to come up with the infamous "hockey stick" graph the IPCC uses.
The IPCC are trying to erase the MWP, the Roman Warm Period and the LIA.
Why would these politically motivated organisations and publically paid "scientists" alter/massage data to fit CGM's and then loose the original datasets? Why do they feel the need to hide data?
Stinks of a Govn't scam to me.
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28 October 2009, 08:02 AM
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Saw that co2 advert last night and it really pissed me off, glad somebody has already complained about it tbh!
They will be stopping us from breathing next, in case we dare let any co2 from our bodies, pathetic.
They will be stopping us from breathing next, in case we dare let any co2 from our bodies, pathetic.