Lance Armstrong
22 October 2012, 02:48 PM
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B - Biggest fraud in Histroy
I've recently finished reading the Lance Armstrong book "It's not about the bike" and have done some further research on the man, and I don't want to believe it........but I do wonder if he's not the great althlete/human I've read about.
What do you think, is Lance Armstrong:
A.
Sporting Hero
Hates drugs
Unlucky in love
Does good charity work and cancer awareness
B.
Biggest fraud in Histroy
One step ahead of the drug testers
Serial womaniser
Likes to be in the public eye and massage his huge ego
C.
Don't care
What do you think, is Lance Armstrong:
A.
Sporting Hero
Hates drugs
Unlucky in love
Does good charity work and cancer awareness
B.
Biggest fraud in Histroy
One step ahead of the drug testers
Serial womaniser
Likes to be in the public eye and massage his huge ego
C.
Don't care
22 October 2012, 09:27 PM
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Looks like things are going to get a lot worse for Lance! He's now being asked to repay bonus payments, ouch 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/20029617
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/20029617
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22 October 2012, 10:08 PM
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could see that on the cards tbh. but i dont blame lance for giving up the fight - im quite sure he used PED'S, but you can be dam sure so did his team mates, his competition. and if people think the governing bodies are so niave about a sport they know inside out, and love to the bones and run - to the point they didnt know about any PED use then id say thats ludicrous tbh.
then there are the sponsors - they didnt know?
i wouldnt be surprised with everyone tries to rape him alone, if he starts to take others down with him?
why the witch hunt against him alone when others openly admit to uses? just because they didnt win titles? stinks a bit of hypocracy imo.
punish 1, punish them all imo.
my work collehues follow cycling closely and say some that get caught doping get 6 month bans?? is that true?
then there are the sponsors - they didnt know?
i wouldnt be surprised with everyone tries to rape him alone, if he starts to take others down with him?
why the witch hunt against him alone when others openly admit to uses? just because they didnt win titles? stinks a bit of hypocracy imo.
punish 1, punish them all imo.
my work collehues follow cycling closely and say some that get caught doping get 6 month bans?? is that true?
23 October 2012, 07:31 AM
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Let's be clear though, Armstrong was not just a simple doper, he ran the whole show, he made sure riders who did not dope were hounded out of cycling
He made sure everyone on his team doped
Cycling did stink, a huge pile of steaming ****, and Armstrong was sitting right at the top of the turd pile
He made sure everyone on his team doped
Cycling did stink, a huge pile of steaming ****, and Armstrong was sitting right at the top of the turd pile
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23 October 2012, 03:47 PM
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Let's be clear though, Armstrong was not just a simple doper, he ran the whole show, he made sure riders who did not dope were hounded out of cycling
He made sure everyone on his team doped
Cycling did stink, a huge pile of steaming ****, and Armstrong was sitting right at the top of the turd pile
He made sure everyone on his team doped
Cycling did stink, a huge pile of steaming ****, and Armstrong was sitting right at the top of the turd pile
What was the point of getting everyone else to use the drugs if he wanted to win anyway?
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23 October 2012, 04:02 PM
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as for him being at the top of the sh*t pile, id agree to an extent, but seen as just about the whole sport is/was saturated in use id say to put a single name at the top, as the kindof tsar running the whole corrupt set up would be quite unlikely. its more probable he worked with others at the top to allow the outfit to operate.
i think they just underestimated the limelight it could bring onto the sport and subsequent investigations - hoping things just stayed covered up as they had done in the past.
either way makes interesting reading and interest that otherwise would never have risen
23 October 2012, 04:12 PM
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the authorities did not have tests that caught the drugs they used, at the time they used them
nothing magic really he used EPO they did not have an adequate test for EPO
and he did fail tests, but they were covered up or he was allowed to get away with it
it is all in the report
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23 October 2012, 06:28 PM
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As mentioned above it's a team event. He has 8 other riders riding for him. Protecting him from the wind, bringing drinks, chasing down breakaways...it's all about him.
If he can get his team to ride faster for longer then he will perform better.
In cycling you generally only have one rider in a team who will be going for the overall. Saying that, in some cases a team will be built just to win sprints. HTC Columbia being a good example. Sky proved you can't do both.
If he can get his team to ride faster for longer then he will perform better.
In cycling you generally only have one rider in a team who will be going for the overall. Saying that, in some cases a team will be built just to win sprints. HTC Columbia being a good example. Sky proved you can't do both.
24 October 2012, 10:36 AM
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Les, lots of dopers passed tests
the authorities did not have tests that caught the drugs they used, at the time they used them
nothing magic really he used EPO they did not have an adequate test for EPO
and he did fail tests, but they were covered up or he was allowed to get away with it
it is all in the report
the authorities did not have tests that caught the drugs they used, at the time they used them
nothing magic really he used EPO they did not have an adequate test for EPO
and he did fail tests, but they were covered up or he was allowed to get away with it
it is all in the report
Then surely the authorities deserve maximum castigation for covering up and letting him get away with it.
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24 October 2012, 10:59 AM
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the governing body (the UCI) where useless, to the point of complicity
that is why it took the US doping authorities to properly investigate Armstrong and US postal service
and they did it, in part, due too Armstrong being a federal employee -- of the US Postal Service
so the FBI got invloved
Armstrong has spent the past 2 years trying to get the US investigation stopped, saying that the (corrupt) UCI should be investigating him (knowing they are a bunch of crooks)
when that failed he gave up and threw his toys out of the pram -- the evidence was extensive and damning, to the point the UCI could not dispute it
and most people in cycling are calling for the head of the UCI to resign -- but people have no shame these days and he is hanging on
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24 October 2012, 01:27 PM
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Somebody tole me today that Mark Cavendish missed his drugs test and for some reason hasn't signed a morality clause to say that he has never taken PED's..........
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24 October 2012, 02:50 PM
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yes, correct
the governing body (the UCI) where useless, to the point of complicity
that is why it took the US doping authorities to properly investigate Armstrong and US postal service
and they did it, in part, due too Armstrong being a federal employee -- of the US Postal Service
so the FBI got invloved
Armstrong has spent the past 2 years trying to get the US investigation stopped, saying that the (corrupt) UCI should be investigating him (knowing they are a bunch of crooks)
when that failed he gave up and threw his toys out of the pram -- the evidence was extensive and damning, to the point the UCI could not dispute it
and most people in cycling are calling for the head of the UCI to resign -- but people have no shame these days and he is hanging on
the governing body (the UCI) where useless, to the point of complicity
that is why it took the US doping authorities to properly investigate Armstrong and US postal service
and they did it, in part, due too Armstrong being a federal employee -- of the US Postal Service
so the FBI got invloved
Armstrong has spent the past 2 years trying to get the US investigation stopped, saying that the (corrupt) UCI should be investigating him (knowing they are a bunch of crooks)
when that failed he gave up and threw his toys out of the pram -- the evidence was extensive and damning, to the point the UCI could not dispute it
and most people in cycling are calling for the head of the UCI to resign -- but people have no shame these days and he is hanging on
that explains a bit more to me, about the whole thing.
25 October 2012, 03:39 PM
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I think it was Sky that were asking their riders to sign the clause. He is no longer with them.
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